I don't see the need, but if so...

Subject: I don't see the need, but if so...
Author: Sedri
Posted on: 2010-07-04 00:58:00 UTC

I'd suggest keeping it small; those things are liable to spiral out of control very fast. Also, I think it should be restricted to quotes from the Original Series unless the authors of the source in question agree/put it in themselves.

See, I'm not entirely comfortable with Agent Iza being mentioned by name over there - besides not seeing the point, I just... don't see the point. Department of Redundency Department. I wouldn't want anyone quoting pieces of my mission there without my knowledge; not that I don't trust you guys, but I often go back to make tiny edits, and I don't like thing being out of my hands. Sorry to be such a control-freak, but I would really prefer to stay out of it. Make sense?

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Just a heads-up about the PPC page on TVTropes. by Neshomeh on 2010-07-02 04:39:00 UTC Reply

While in the course of chatting in the PPC IRC room, it became apparent that the list of tropes on the PPC's TVTropes page was ridiculously long--longer than the Firefly page--so several of us (8-10, depending) took it upon ourselves to trim it. So, no need to panic if you wander over there and find a bunch of stuff gone. {= )

Basically, we went down the list and voted for each trope on the basis of relevancy to the PPC as a whole, removing tropes with only one example or with example(s) that don't really apply to us. Voting was decided by majority.

We would also like to note that editing so that 75% of the list items mention your agents is discouraged. The PPC is a community, even if we don't all feel like editing on TVTropes.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled mayhem.

~Neshomeh

Where'd we get that picture of Jay and Acacia? (nm) by doctorlit on 2010-07-03 20:23:00 UTC Reply

Don't remember. by kgarrett on 2010-07-04 07:52:00 UTC Reply

I wanted to add it to the page, but couldn't track it down before I got too tired to do anything about it - we'd been working on the trimming all night. Calista must've found the thing after I turned in.

I got it from the Wiki; the WIki got it from MIss Cam's page (nm by Calista on 2010-07-04 16:52:00 UTC Reply

Drawn by an early TOS fan, probably. by Vixenmage on 2010-07-04 21:26:00 UTC Reply

We could ask Miss Cam?

She wouldn't want us bothering her about something like that by kgarrett on 2010-07-04 21:45:00 UTC Reply

. Besides, we found it, and that's what matters, isn't it?

Really? by Vixenmage on 2010-07-05 17:27:00 UTC Reply

She's always seeemed the cheerful sort to me, more like she wouldn't want to be rudely bothered about something like that. I can't see her getting upset by us politely saying "Oh hey, sorry to bother you, but do you remember where this came from? We'd like to give appropriate credit."

(But Neshomeh knows, so it's all good. Woot for The Knowledgeable!)

And yeah-- besides, this organisation is what it was drawn -for-. It really bothers me when I see the image being used for groups utterly unaffiliated, just because they have the same acronym and it's a nifty graphic. (There's at least one on Facebook.) They could at least give credit to the artist, or if they don't know the artist, Jay and Acacia, or something. *shrug* But I don't see us using it as a problem.

There is? by Neshomeh on 2010-07-05 18:19:00 UTC Reply

... Art thieves bother me. Do you think we could ask whoever that is on Facebook to either take it down or show some permission from the artist? (Or, failing that, Facebook actually has rules about uploading images to prevent this sort of thing, so they're most likely in violation of the rules and could be reported.)

~Neshomeh

Yup. by Vixenmage on 2010-07-06 07:09:00 UTC Reply

Or was, anyway. I searched PPC out of curiosity (Hey, you never know! Someone could've started one!) and was a bit shocked to find that logo on some utterly irrelevant (and poorly written) page or other. I think I said something, but never got a response.

It's not showing up now... but I'll keep looking. It could've been taken down by now, 'twas a long time ago.

Okay. by Neshomeh on 2010-07-06 17:41:00 UTC Reply

I looked and couldn't find it, too. Hopefully they got the hint from you, or maybe they're just not there anymore.

~Neshomeh

The artist is Bold Font. by Neshomeh on 2010-07-05 05:12:00 UTC Reply

I don't know anything beyond that, though. Never knew him/her.

~Neshomeh

How 'bout we add a PPC Quotes page? by Laburnum on 2010-07-03 17:31:00 UTC Reply

I approve of the tidying-up, even though I was the one doing a lot of the un-tidying. Urge to trope everything is overpowering, I swear ...

Anyway, opening a Quotes page for us on TVTropes could be fun.

I don't see the need, but if so... by Sedri on 2010-07-04 00:58:00 UTC Reply

I'd suggest keeping it small; those things are liable to spiral out of control very fast. Also, I think it should be restricted to quotes from the Original Series unless the authors of the source in question agree/put it in themselves.

See, I'm not entirely comfortable with Agent Iza being mentioned by name over there - besides not seeing the point, I just... don't see the point. Department of Redundency Department. I wouldn't want anyone quoting pieces of my mission there without my knowledge; not that I don't trust you guys, but I often go back to make tiny edits, and I don't like thing being out of my hands. Sorry to be such a control-freak, but I would really prefer to stay out of it. Make sense?

Although I can see where you're coming from... by Wide Eyed Idealist on 2010-07-04 04:00:00 UTC Reply

You don't like people discussing the media you create on media-related sites, yet you write PPC stories, which are technically fanfic. Writing fanfic goes well beyond simply mentioning or discussing things. So... it just seems a little, well, hypocritical, although I understand the wish for control.

Re: Although I can see where you're coming from... by Sedri on 2010-07-04 04:12:00 UTC Reply

Fanfic authors can still request that no one host their stories on the web without their say-so. I don't personally see the difference.

Just seems like kind of a double standard. by Wide Eyed Idealist on 2010-07-05 22:41:00 UTC Reply

"I can write about your world but you can't write about mine."

Whatever, though.

But they're not writing about it. by Sedri on 2010-07-06 00:43:00 UTC Reply

It's just an encylopedia-style listing, and I had no idea it was there. That bothers me. If I didn't want there to be any articles about my agents on the PPC wiki, I'm pretty sure that would be respected. I don't see why this is different, and iIf that strikes you as a double-standard... well, fine. I won't lose any sleep over it.

I'm personally against it. by Anonymous on 2010-07-03 18:12:00 UTC Reply

We have enough as it is. I know my opinion doesn't really matter, but we really don't need one.

*THWAP* by Vixenmage on 2010-07-03 23:08:00 UTC Reply

Good Glod, man. Sign your name, stop acting like we all hate you, and, just...

You're a part of this community! Sign your name!

I know it's a trite example, but I used to flood the 'Board with caps-lock-of-doom on a regular basis. I wasn't shunned, and as far as I know my opinion isn't automatically discounted for that. I think the ONLY time I've EVER seen people get legitimately angry on here is the time someone faked an RL death for romantic/otherwise drama. Hell, a recurring troll who turned out to be an oldbie got caustically raised eyebrows from TWO PEOPLE. No, I lie. Three. ~~Four, tops.~~ Point is, tempers here aren't going to flare because you may have done something rash in the past. You're a part of the community here, your opinion matters, from what I can tell you're a decent, interesting, and intelligent person, and nobody here has a problem with you still, and if they do, it's their own problem.

So, please. I know people keep telling you this, but seriously at least consider coming out of your Mask of Shame. You really don't need it.

Oh, that wasn't intentional. by KGarrett on 2010-07-04 00:22:00 UTC Reply

That'll teach me not to log in. I hadn't realised my posts were anonymous. Sorry.

Ah... sorry, then. by Vixenmage on 2010-07-04 02:00:00 UTC Reply

*fails!*

But my comments about your opinion not being worthless still stand. >_>

I think TvTropes needs an OFU page. by Wide Eyed Idealist on 2010-07-02 22:48:00 UTC Reply

For the concept, if not for every single OFU. In the meantime, though, let's not add OFU examples to the PPC page, okay? Even if they do involve PPC agents, it's technically a sort of crossover. (Forgive me if I'm overstepping my authority here.)

(Are we still allowed to mention character-specific examples on individual trope pages?)

That would work as long as we don't go overboard on it. by Anonymous on 2010-07-02 23:04:00 UTC Reply

That's what I put in the note on the page, anyway.

Nice job, but... by Sergio Turbo on 2010-07-02 09:36:00 UTC Reply

Since now is a page that everyone can read easily (and it's funny) I think that we can say "Mission Accomplished!"
However, someone cut a trope into half

Which Trope? (nm) by Data Junkie on 2010-07-02 21:58:00 UTC Reply

"Cannot spit it out" by Sergio Turbo on 2010-07-03 19:48:00 UTC Reply

This one:

"Cannot Spit It Out - Tawaki proposing to Tadkeeta. Fortunately, his stance and the r"

Re: "Cannot spit it out" by Data Junkie on 2010-07-03 19:54:00 UTC Reply

I think that was actually a failed cut. However, as I wasn't the one actually cutting things, you'll have to take it up with whoever was. I believe it was KGarrett, but there were enough of us on when we were voting on what to clean up that I'm not sure.

Sorry. by Anonymous on 2010-07-03 21:45:00 UTC Reply

I must've forgotten to cut it. I'll check to see if it's still in there and get rid of it if it is.

Re: Just a heads-up about the PPC page on TVTropes. by Sedri on 2010-07-02 07:18:00 UTC Reply

And it's still a long list. Heh. Nonetheless, cheers to all of you; it's good to see that page gets some brisk attention.

We're technically not done yet. by Anonymous on 2010-07-02 08:49:00 UTC Reply

Almost, though.