Subject: I believe this is known...
Author:
Posted on: 2010-05-06 03:09:00 UTC
... as Muphry's Law.
No, really, it is, according to Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry's_law
Subject: I believe this is known...
Author:
Posted on: 2010-05-06 03:09:00 UTC
... as Muphry's Law.
No, really, it is, according to Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry's_law
well, technically, you didn't yet, but I saw someone saying they were going to a while ago. And I didn't know what it meant but I was confused so I looked it up and now I found the ppc. I read a lot of the mission things and they were funny but it kind of hurt to realize that you guys thought my story was that bad but I got over it and now I'm hoping you guys can help me write better because I dont want that to happen again. I mean I don't want to get sporked again, I want to write well. So please help?
It was a story I wrote after my boyfriend broke up with me about a girl hooking up with Rosto from Beka Cooper. I thought it would be ok because of the second book but I guess not.
Ps I tried really hard to get the spelling and grammar right in this but I dont really understand it. Did I?
And by explaining, I mean confessing and apologizing.
"Nitset" isn't real. She's my - I think the term is sockpuppet. That whole fiasco regarding Boosette got to me more than it should have; specifically, what she said about bullying. It ate at me, because I was worried that she might be correct about the "bullying culture", and if she was I didn't want to be a part of it. So I decided to create "Nitset" and post like I did in order to have positive proof about whether the PPC seeks to hurt people or just to have fun and encourage good writing.
Pulling a stunt like this was incredibly stupid and wrong of me, and I'm truly sorry.
I should have realized that I would get a response like this. I should have showed you guys more respect. I should not under any circumstances have contemplated taking the word of some person I'd never met over my own observations of your kindness and welcoming spirit. Anyone with sense would have realized that the accusations of a "bullying culture" were ludicrous, given the friendliness of everyone. I also had no right to deceive you guys the way I did.
I'm really disappointed in myself, both for the foolishness in this and for betraying my principles by assuming the worst without good reason. I'm also saddened that I've jeopardized my standing in a community I admire and respect, especially since that respect and admiration for you guys has increased exponentially. I hope I haven't done anything that will change the response to any real Nitsets who come along. I also hope you can forgive what I did here.
Social experiments are kind of my thing. It was a pretty good facade. I didn't post because my inability to say something without failing made me fear that I would offend someone who may seriously be repentant.
You didn't really do anything bad. Let's just say we all went a little crazy during that crisis, and that your reaction was better than mine. I really hope that the aftereffects fade someday, and that we can just get back to normal.
...but I'm glad your faith in the PPC has been restored, and that you're sorry you did it. The only thing that really matters is that you know now that you can trust everyone.
You've vindicated us. Or, more specifically, we unintentionally vindicated ourselves thanks to an opportunity you provided. What's to feel bad for? Yes, there was a small deception involved, but I, for one, can easily forgive that. :)
As a side not, when 'Nitset' first posted, I also wondered if maybe she was one of the people on the other side of the debate seeking to test our actual reactions. I'm not sure why - I don't know if there was anything in particular that made me think so, and it certainly didn't occur to me that Nitset might be anyone other than she said she was. Regardless, I was very proud of how we as a community reacted to 'her'.
So don't fret, Wide Eyed. As has been said, apology accepted - though I really don't think you had anything to really be sorry for in the first place.
That might not be the best way to get a feel for the PPC welcome, but I can't think of any other way you could have done it, short of recruiting an actual Suethor. That's getting a bit too involved. Anyway, I suggest saving the link to combat any future accusations of bullying. To anyone reading this from an archive: this was not staged!
On the positive side, it's nice to see that we were so welcoming to a repentant Suethor, and I don't think this should (or will) cloud our welcome to "any real Nitsets".
On the negative side, it's disappointing that Nitset wasn't real, cause it would be great if that happened more often.
Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, all is forgiven.
Elcalion
Now that you mention it, considering the fact that your IPs match and that "Nitset" is "Testin'" backwards, it's pretty obvious. {= P
Anyway. I'll forgive you. I am disappointed that Nitset wasn't real, but like Dann said, nothing terrible happened, and I'm guessing that it was pretty good for all of us to see what we really are: a bunch of really nice people with a weird hobby. {= )
Just don't make a habit of sock-puppetry, okay? We've had people do that on the Board before with far less noble intentions, and it really sucks. {= P
~Neshomeh
And thank you, so much. I'm glad you think something good came out of it, anyway.
Well, I saw it coming halfway - I guessed that Nitset was a test of some sort, but I didn't think it was someone on the board.
As far as your apology goes, consider it forgiven, at least by me. You didn't hurt anyone, you didn't cause massive drama (or haven't yet), and honestly, I've been wondering basically the same thing that you did.
I wonder what I did that screamed "test"?
I'm being a gigantic sap about this! (I'm a gigantic sap about everything, really.)
I did some sockpuppetry of my own when I was younger, and received a pretty vicious backlash which, though it happened a few years ago, hasn't completely died down yet (some people out there are still mad, methinks). So one, it was nice to see that people here were kind to a fellow repentant sockpuppetmaster.
Two, I was a Suethor too (albeit unpublished but I thought my Suefics were really hot stuff, back then). And though my Sue-ing days are just about behind me (I have some Original Fiction Sues I haven't completely given up on), putting myself back in those shoes...the response is pretty heartening in that people here were so willing to help and build up instead of mock and tear down. It's pretty empowering, actually. In your face, Boosette!
No need to be nasty to the absent Boosette, though.
*hugs*
Ye gods. This world needs more people like you, Wide Eyed Idealist. *grin* For all I'm not advocating deceit or what have you, it makes me pretty happy that 1) someone on the 'Board was suddenly afraid they'd fallen in with a group of snarling wolves, and tested accordingly-- I understand, it can be a hard thing to judge from the inside of a group! It makes me really happy that, rather than immediately going, "But they were nice to me! These critics must be crazy," you actually tested to make sure. 2) Really, really happy you got the response you did, for obvious reasons. (I'm almost certain we've had civil, somewhat friendly discussions with Suethors before-- there's a thing somewhere in the Constitution that says "If you like Sues, most people here will disagree, this is probably not the place for you," but it never says you can't post here at all.)
So! You are a Very Cool person. ^_^ Thank you for doing this, and then not being too scared to explain later.
(Though I will say, I'm with the above posters on the rather obvious thing-- that's partly why I didn't respond. It was too convenient for someone to come looking for help just weeks after we're accused of being unhelpful bullies. I figured it was either one of Boosette's crowd, wondering whether we'd act the monsters they thought us.)
Thank you, so very very very much. *returns hug and basks* I'm so glad that's what you thought of it, and that you think so well of me.
And I do mean well. Literally. You used the word "well" correctly.
The funny thing is that I actually fell for it! Dang!
I'll forgive you, if you'll forgive me for that really long little grammar rant. *sigh*
The grammar rant proved exactly what I was hoping to prove, so... well... is it possible to forgive something you think is a good thing?
It was when I Googled "Nitset" and found nothing--no LiveJournal entries, no Fanfiction.net accounts, etc. It seemed odd that "Nitset" wouldn't have used the same name she'd posted the fic under. And like Dann said, very convenient timing.
Apology accepted. Now, let's all go wear silly hats and dance the drama out of our system. *puts on top hat and spins around like someone who doesn't actually know how to dance*
Don't blame yourself. You must admit, we're certainly worthy of scrutiny. There are many people like Boosette who hate us, and many of them have excellent points. This was a rather ill-planned way to make yourself sure of our good intentions, but I cannot fault you for wanting to make sure in the first place. I'm reasonably sure most of us here have had similar doubts about our own ethicality.
Don't beat yourself up about how you should have expected our reaction, either. Perhaps you should have, but again, I believe you were well within your rights to see if we practice what we preach. You said you shouldn't have taken the word of someone you've never met over ours, but have you really "met" any of us more than you have her?
The last thing is...I expected this. As soon as I read the post, I thought that it was a fake to test our merit. To my knowledge, no sporked 'Suethor has ever come to the PPC for help until much later, when their writing is a lot better. Also...this is the kind of thing I would have done. I did something like this in the past, though a long time ago and not on the internet. I though that Nitset was a puppet, but I didn't say anything because I was hoping I was wrong. It's a pity, really. I don't blame you at all for testing us, but I am truly sorrowful that Nitset doesn't exist, and I'm fairly sure no one like her will anytime soon.
I remember one who came here to have us go over her (unPPC'd, as far as I know) Suefic and explain its problems. And I've had a Suethor who came across a sporking I did of her fic and said that it was funny and that her fic had sucked. And there are plenty of former badfic writers who learned better after coming across the PPC or other sporking sites.
I'm not sure if it was a case of the Suethor knowing the PPC or not, but I remember one of Mara and Isaiah's fics changed partway through because the Suethor understood one of the reviews (s)he got. Quite the inspirational model.
"I am truly sorry that Nitset doesn't exist..."
That's the main reason I'm kicking myself. I hadn't realized that people would be let down, and now that I do, I'm sad that I did that. Again, I apologize.
And thank you so very much for not being angry.
I'm kinda ticked off, but I see that it was kind of needed to get your point across...
Fair winds!
Welome to the Board. Have a Star Destroyer replica!
Welcome to the Board! Please deposit your sanity in the provided receptacle. *indicates bucket marked "Warg Fodder"* You shan't need it here. Also, here's a deck of cards with half the Diamonds missing.
It's great to see a sporked author actually deciding to ask for help instead of attempting to burn the board down. :D Welcome welcome!
*glompz*
As many others have said, kudos for being genuinely interested in improving as a writer. I can't think of anything insightful to add that others haven't already said, so I shall skip directly to the newbie welcoming.
Have a platter of chocolate-covered profiteroles and a pet mongoose, and hope you enjoy your time a'Board.
Elcalion
As a lot of others have said, it's great that you've come to us asking for help rather than flaming the Board. I haven't read your fic myself, but it looks like your problems can be sorted by getting a beta - any of these Boarders would be happy to help you! After all, we'd be hypocrites if we weren't.
Good luck in improving your writing! I'll see you 'round the Board.
As the others have said, it's awesome to see someone brave enough to admit this sort of stuff, so kudos and hugs to you for doing so. And not to worry, if you want help improving, there are plenty of people here who'll be more than happy to help (myself included).
As a welcome gift, I present you with a bag of pebbles and a Random Shiny Object. Use them well. XD
It's lovely to meet you. Others have already said everything I would say here - we've all started out writing terribly, always enjoy what you're doing, and beware sea tutles - so I'll just present you with your very own Newbie Gift - a horseradish - and repeat myself:
Welcome, welcome, welcome!
I have absolutely nothing new to say, but I'm going to say it anyway. {= )
First of all, it's so awesome that you came to us asking for help. As you can see, that makes us very happy, and we're willing to do anything we can. We know criticism sucks, but the fact that you were able get over it and make the decision to improve puts you head and shoulders above most other amateur writers out there. I salute you.
Unfortunately, I don't know anything about Beka Cooper, either. It's still a good idea to post a link to the story so someone who does know something can have a look at it.
I agree with Barid that it might not have been one of us saying they were going to spork your story, though. We don't generally tell fanwriters if we write missions to their stories.
Finally, I guess this is new: is English not your first language? I'm just curious. Either way, I know a couple of really good online resources for improving your mechanics, and these are them:
A Writer's Reference by Diana Hacker. Contains instructional and interactive material. Play around with it and see what you find. {= ) She also has a book by the same title, if you care to find it. I had it as a textbook in college.
Common Errors in English by Paul Brians. Also comes in book form, which is how I know about the website. Entries are alphabetical. What's really nice is that he includes differences in American and British usage when they appear.
One important thing to remember is: if you're not sure about something, double-check it. {= )
Again, welcome to the Board.
~Neshomeh
This is the sort of post we like, because it means we're not just scary monsters who eat amateur writers; we're actually trusted to help.
Commas need to be a bit more frequent, but grammatically, in this post at least, you're doing fine.
Sounds like your best bet in this case would be to find someone who's willing to work with you closely on this particular story you've written, and go over all the issues and help you iron them out. I'd offer to help myself, but my Writing Brain is Dead. But best of luck finding someone for it, and gratz on having the balls to come here and ask about it. :)
Like what has been said before, everyone starts out poorly at the start.
That said, there's two very important things about writing.
1) Enjoy it. If you enjoy writing, everyone else can just stuff it. Even us.
2) Accept constructive criticism. When you're able to do that, you're able to improve loads more than you would be able to otherwise, and if you actually get anything out of the concrit to improve yourself, it leads to enjoying your work even more.
Everybody writes badfic when they're starting out*. That you wrote something spork-worthy just means that you have stuff to learn if you want to get better. We, as you can probably tell, have nothing against you as a person. We've written badfic too, and sometimes we spork fic that we wrote when we were younger.
That said, welcome!
*Speaking of the Tortall fandom, I used to roleplay what would've been the most ridiculously blatant mage/wildmage/Queen's Rider Mary Sue if the board I RP'd on would've allowed it. As it was, she was still pretty horrible.
I started out with blatant mary-sues myself, and I still have problems with dialogue and characterization. We are all here to become better writers--well, that, and to have as much fun as possible!
Welcome.
Oh, and, regarding grammar, spelling, and writing in general, I have two tips:
1. Read. A lot. The more you read, the more you get to know the patterns of language, and the better you can follow them.
2. Before you publish, get a beta reader. Track down the local grammar nazi, and get them to pick over your work for grammar and general readability. (Spelling you can leave to spell-check, except for homonyms.)
Congratulations on taking the first step towards improved writing! Most authors never get this far, so give yourself a pat on the back for doing so.
And welcome to the PPC Board!
First of all, I am glad that you are trying to become a better writer. It is something that all of us here are striving for and we will help you out as much as we can.
Now, I have a couple of questions for you:
1) Can you provide a link to your story? It will help us make better suggestions if we can see the work in question.
2) Are you sure someone in the PPC said they were going to spork your story? There are many groups that do sporkings, and they all have different ways of going about them. The situation you've described does not sound like our MO, so it may have been someone else.
That said, we welcome you to the Board. Feel free to stick around and get to know everyone and ask questions.
~Barid
Having not read the story in question, I can't pinpoint exactly what it was that made one of us choose it. Do you know who it was who said they were going to spork it?
Italian for Grandma has given a very in-depth explanation of grammar problems that might be of use. If you could give us some information about your story, it could help us tell you what someone thought was worthy of sporking. Just hooking up with a canon character wouldn't be enough.
Well, compared to a few trainwrecks I've seen, you're actually pretty good. From what I can tell in your post, you seem to have spelling pretty much down, and that's good. You also said you want to write "well," not "good," and you used the correct "to" instead of "too" or "two." Yup, from a grammatical standpoint, you're not half bad. You're not *completely* there yet, but you're not half bad.
I do have a few tips for you, though. Number one: words like "don't," "couldn't," and whatnot need an apostrophe. That serves to indicate that two words have been merged together. So, it's "don't," not "dont." (By the way, once you have that down, it can help you with other problems like the difference between "there" and "they're." If the meaning you're looking for is "they are," i.e. has two words, then the word you're looking for is the one with the apostrophe. That's how I mastered that particular problem.)
Second. I'd recommend you review your period, and comma rules. To illustrate my point, I'll use one particular sentence from your post.
"I read a lot of the mission things and they were funny but it kind of hurt to realize that you guys thought my story was that bad but I got over it and now I'm hoping you guys can help me write better because I dont want that to happen again."
This is a run-on sentence; that means it goes on for too long without the proper punctuation. To fix it, you'll need to cut it up into smaller sentences and add the right punctuation. Let's start at the beginning.
"I read a lot of the mission things and they were funny..."
For starters, I'd put a period right after "things." You've said what you needed, so don't go overboard. That sentence stands on its own. Eliminate the "and," and you get:
"I read a lot of the mission things. They were funny..."
Doesn't that look better? Now for the next sentence:
"They were funny but it kind of hurt to realize you thought my story was that bad but I got over it..."
This requires a bit more work. Put a comma between "funny" and "but," because "They were funny" and "but it kind of hurt..." are completely different ideas in the sentence, and you need to separate them. Put a period after "bad," because the sentence is pretty much complete after two ideas are introduced. So:
"They were funny, but it kind of hurt to realize that you guys thought my story was that bad. But I got over it..."
Next: "But I got over it and now I'm hoping you guys can help me write better because I don't want that to happen again."
Put a comma between "it" and "and," to separate those two ideas. Then, put a comma between "better" and "because." Once that is out of the way, say "I don't want to get sporked again" instead of "I don't want that to happen again." That eliminates the need for the next sentence, which makes things a lot simpler. A general rule of thumb: the simpler things are, the better.
"But I got over it, and now I'm hoping you guys can help me write better, because I don't want to get sporked again."
And the final complete product: "I read a lot of the mission things. They werefunny, but it kind of hurt to realize that you guys thought my story was that bad. But I got over it, and now I'm hoping you guys can help me write better, because I don't want to get sporked again."
There! That's much better. Incidentally, this is how *I* would revise this sentence. Others on the board may tell you differently, because there are many different ways you could fix this and still be correct.
So, there you have it, you need to work mostly on your punctuation and sentence structure.
Now, I didn't give you any advice on subtler problems, like characterization and plot plausibility. To do that, I'd need to read your actual story...but I wouldn't recommend you talk to me about that. I'm not familiar with Beka Cooper, so I wouldn't be much help there. However, I'm sure that someone here is, and you can link them to your story and have them give you some advice.
All in all, I'm glad you've continued writing after having some hurt feelings. You're doing a good job so far. Keep it up, and take help whenever it's offered, and you'll be writing like a pro.
Good luck.
Others on the board may tell you differently
Oh, I will. :P
I read a lot of the mission things and they were funny but it kind of hurt to realize that you guys thought my story was that bad but I got over it and now I'm hoping you guys can help me write better because I dont want that to happen again.
"I read a lot of them and they were funny" - one wossname (where is my grammar brain?), idea, thingy. No comma needed. It's after the "but" that the sentence changes. I'd go for "I read a lot of the missions and they were funny, but." Or even "but...". Probably the latter, actually.
Between "bad" and the following "but" I'd probably have a new sentence detailing the whys.
I'd still put a comma after "got over it" though.
~Pads, just here to stick a spanner in the works, really.
The word your looking for is 'thought'.
XD
I guess I set myself up for that one. Go you for being pedantic!
She's vicious with her beta reads, and can leave us slightly traumatised, but nothing she's betaed doesn't feel squeaky clean in the end. ;)
And what a wonderful way of saying I'm a horribly aggressive and argumentative bitch of a beta. :P
But like you say, it works.
And that IS another way of phrasing it. Nonetheless, if you were painful to work with, I wouldn't do it.
Woah, you found us all by yourself...
Anyways. I can see that you're being honest. You want to be a better writer, as do I, and I respect that. I'm not exactly the best writer either, to tell you the truth, and I'm not the one who was going to spork your story.
You don't seem too bad, to tell you the truth. You wrote that story because you were angry, and I've written some not so great stuff while feeling rather emotional. Though what we do has some negative connotations to it, we aren't actually about mocking writers (Even if they really deserve it, like whoever the heck wrote My Immortal). I'm here because I want to tell a story inside the PPC setting, for example, and most people are here to have fun and enjoy themselves.
There I go, ranting on again... Anyways, welcome.
You're a repentant Suethor? My god, you have no idea how happy this makes all of us!
First of all, we're happy you came to us rather than start madly flaming us, like most people do. I'm pretty sure I speak for everybody when I say we would absolutely love to help you with this. Happy to have you here!
Okaaay...I'll admit right off the bat that I have no idea what Beka Cooper is, but I'm pretty sure someone else here does. However, it sounds as if you're main problems are with spelling, grammar, and the like, so if you would post a link to your story I'm sure I, or someone else, could help you.
As for the spelling and grammar of this message...Spelling is mainly fine, and I don't think I see any grammar errors except for lack of punctuation. Commas are your friends!
"you're main problems are with ... grammar"
'Nuff said.
:P
... as Muphry's Law.
No, really, it is, according to Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry's_law
Now I feel dumb for not seeing that. Ah, well. :) My grammar has been on the fritz recently, I hope you don't mind.
And I have learned something from this thread. The wiki article on Muphry's Law references a meaning of "pasties" that is, um. Well, considering my sister's mother in law makes them for my niece... It's a tad surprising. And now I'm left wondering where the hell in the world "pasties" means "nipple covering" instead of "pastry-based luncheon with dubious meat and onions and un-mentionable pig parts inside".
Also, anywhere that you'll find a burlesque show.
Well, at least something... informative came of my grammar slip-up.
Well, sort of not. I knew about both meanings, but it wasn't until I was fairly old that I realized the women weren't covering their nipples with pastries.
I think it's pronounced differently, though.
Cornish pasties are pronounced pass-teas; sticky boob things are called paste-ees.