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Avatar by Honu_Wahine on 2009-12-20 03:39:00 UTC

Me too... by Gandalf the Beige on 2009-12-30 07:33:00 UTC Reply

As to your points:

A) I also like the way Quaddritch died

B) The "dragon thing" is a Toruk or (if you want to go all Linnean on us) the "Great Leonopteryx"

And as for me...

I liked it, but the inconsitencies got to me in a few places, such as the mention of "Bad Bush" in Venezuela when Cameron says that Earth is basicvally a slimier version of Nar Shadda.

What I choose to believe is that Easrth is still "Green"... but much of the planet has been so throughly domesticated that farms cover most of the rural landmass in a modern three-field system, most meat is now cloned in vats and most major megafauna now exist mainly as clonable genetic samples.

venezueala... tree plantations and fields gone feral due to the war most likely.

I'm basically ignoring Cameron on this one just because it seems so unbelievable.

Re: Me too... by Honu_Wahine on 2009-12-31 00:42:00 UTC Reply

Actually, to your point about Earth still being "green"-- nuh-uh. It ain't happening. There's a guide-book to the movie that just came out(20 freaking dollars, damnit...) that said that Earth was basically an over-crowded cesspit that was just barely liveable. Think one of the worst slums you can find on Earth, doesn't matter where, multiply it by ten, and then spread it all over the entire world. Wait....That does fit the Nar Shaddaa thing pretty well, doesn't it? Eh, who cares? The book was good, but damn expensive, more's the pity.
Yeah, I guess it is a Toruk. Heheh. I've watched the movie twice already and plan to go a third time....*epic fail!* I suck.
The sad thing is, this once pristine, shiny new fandom sparkling with light has now been hit with a plague. Ye gads. Do suethors ever take a freaking vacation? Wait, no, don't answer that.
Travesty one: The Girl That Never Lived. *beats head against a wall* Oh god, make it stop. The main OC is Jake Sully's sister, which has no canon backing, has created her own Avatar body(in 3 to 4 months, when it takes about 6.9 years to make a full-grown one...that might explain something...), and her lack of description/story sense makes me sad.
Number Two: Pandora's Box. Why? Because the first person POV stinks, and the writing and some of the descriptions are horrible. Or it's just the lack of descriptions, except in the first paragraph where there's no pacing to speak of, and the only good descriptions are of the main antagonistic bastard and her stupid gengineered pet wolf. In the last two or three paragraphs of her first chapter, there's a description completely at odds with the entire freaking Avatar 'verse Earth. I'm sorry, but there is *no freaking room* for a godsdamned ranch! AHHHHHH!
Excuse me for a moment. I have to got beat my head against a wall until the pain stops. I may be prejudiced against most authors, but these two stories deserve the mile long rant. Both of them just seem....horrible.
*walks off stage, muttering about tylenol and a large hammer*
-Honu_Wahine

ugh... by Gandalf the Beige on 2009-12-31 01:39:00 UTC Reply

I agree with you about the stories. And no, as long as there are teeny-boppers, there will always be sue-fics.

But an observation.

Some have cited the existance of Dr. Augustine's cigarettes (tobacco and wood paper) as evidence of a plothole vis-a-vis the existance of Terran plantlife.

However...

This could be fixed by saying that Earth has basically fallen into neglect in comparison to the off-world, in-system colonies. The oceans have been maintained somewhat to keep the oxygen cycle going, but most plantlife is now found on these self-same colonies (except for the "breather" algae and plankton in the oceans, of course).

However, due to the depression cited, even thesde steps may be flagging.

It may be Canon, but I just find it unbeleivable... if only for the fact that we as a species are too dang vain to let the earth become a city-world without it being maginally attractive (if horribly overcrowded in the style of Tokyo).

But that's just me. I just don't like senseless dystopias... sensible ones, yes, but it's a quirk.

Re: ugh... by Honu_Wahine on 2009-12-31 02:21:00 UTC Reply

Yeah, I guess you have good points. According to the book(it's formatted as an illegal, unauthorized guide to everything Pandora, with warnings about the RDA), Earth is slowly dying in a toxic sludge pit, and not just the ground, it's also the atmosphere. So, either the ozone layer has left the house completely(something that I kinda doubt), or there's just so many heavy metals and dangerous/toxic/unsafe chemicals in the air that it wouldn't make a difference either way. According to aforementioned book, the masks that the humans on Pandora were wearing are one step away from becoming standard wear on Earth, to go with crappy carb/you-don't-want-to-know-what-the-hell-it-is food supplements and like ten people to a room housing conditions. The only upside seems to be that basic gengineering, like getting your eyesight enhanced, or getting bioluminescent tattoos(very popular with the Pandora-lovers/tree hugger set) is fairly easy and a mainstream type thing.
It's actually fairly cool to think about that, but then these blasted teeny-boppers come along and ignore the rules set up by the canon's parent-figure for the universe. If I ever get my novel finished and published by Baen(I shoot for the moon, lol!), I'm going to state that fanfiction for my work will result in instant legal action... Hmmmm. This is what the lack of caffeine and an all-night internet-trawling session has done to my coherency. I'm going to log off now, before I *completely* loose my mind.
*wanders back off her soapbox, muttering about Nyquil and bed*
-Honu_Wahine

My perspective by Chliever on 2009-12-22 04:59:00 UTC Reply

Its plot was a bit too 'aliens are better than you', but, a.) it's essentially a film about Native Americans being kicked off their land, so of course they're going to be shown in a better light, and b.) the plot is secondary to this movie's true goal, which was essentially to create an inhabited moon from scratch and show it off. And in that respect, it succeeds.