Subject: Alternatively...
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Posted on: 2009-11-15 21:17:00 UTC
The OT4 is also Jonathan, Thayet, Alanna, and George for the non-cracky SotL fics. It just depends on which pairings you like.
Subject: Alternatively...
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Posted on: 2009-11-15 21:17:00 UTC
The OT4 is also Jonathan, Thayet, Alanna, and George for the non-cracky SotL fics. It just depends on which pairings you like.
Also... WHY?
It seems every badfic I open lately has some utterly stupid nickname that makes me want to bash my head against something! Not only are they stupid but always on characters who would never have a nickname in the first place!
What’s the worst one you’ve ever come across?
Since I started sporking Harry Potter over at Deletrius I have come across so many fics where Snape gets called “Snapey” to his face and he does nothing.
Every time I hear "Arby", and it's not a video from JonCJG, I seize up.
What, no Sergeant Johnny?
*collapses into giggles*
Ahem...Sorry.
I am very protective of Halo canon. Just ask many of the little nublets who frequently post NCF (Non-Canon Friendly) articles on Halo Fanon.
I will admit, however, I had to laugh at the thought of a Marine calling Johnson "Sergeant Johnny", and what would happen to him.
"You better get it together, Marine, or the Chief'll reach down and pull you inside out by your corn hole. And that'll be a sweet, sweet mercy... compared to what I'm gonna do to you."
That would give me ridiculous amounts of joy.
Ask Sona 'Demal, my co-author on many projects. He's the one you would be likely to talk in to saying "Sergeant Johnny."
Me? Not gonna happen.
I think it's disgusting. The worst one that I found for the Tortall series is actually canon (or quasi-canon; I forget). They call Numair Salmalín "Numy". Some like it, but it makes me feel like vomiting. I think the Tortall fandom has rather a lot of nicknames.
Alianne of Pirate's Swoop calls him that in 'Trickster's Choice' :)
I still don't like it.
I'm not against all nicknames. In fact, sometimes I think the fandom nicknames can be better than the canon nicknames, especially if they are meant to be humorous. Anyone heard of "OT4" or the infamous "Mindelan Sandwich", for example?
It comes up in a number of fandoms. Not heard of the Mindelan Sandwich, though. I tend to stay out of Tortall-fic for the sake of my braincells.
Except it's the Tortall-verse OT4: Alanna, Jon, Gary, and Raoul. A lot of the fans on Goldenlake like making crack fic about it. Don't ask Goldenlakers about Mindelan Sandwiches. You might be better off not knowing. However, if you already know, then you know that it's always used in a humorous manner. I just remembered another Tortall-verse fan nickname: Zombie Roger.
The OT4 is also Jonathan, Thayet, Alanna, and George for the non-cracky SotL fics. It just depends on which pairings you like.
I wouldn't recommend asking for a sandwich around any who frequent Goldenlake, just for the sake of pride. Although I find it funny in some situations, it's already scarred me and forced me to give up BLTs.
A girl can only take so many fandoms on :), and I've managed to avoid having to spork anything in Tortall so far (given I've sporked everything from LOTR through Harry Potter and Discworld to Jurassic Park and Real World bandslash, it's a bloody miracle :D )
So don't worry, I'll be avoiding Goldenlake for now. Even though the Kel/Neal/Dom Mindelan Sandwich could be a psychologically interesting little idea (or pure and unadulterated snarky awesomesauce crack) and I feel like I'm going to be wrestling off the plotbunnies very shortly ...
Fluffy, cracky potential :D (I confess, I write OT4 for BBC Merlin - I love fluffy cracky OT4)
I don't suppose a Mindelan Sandwich would involve ... hmm, lots of characters it could involve. First ones that sprang to mind were Kel, Neal and Dom, may the Goddess forgive me :)
*snort* Zombie Roger. Love it.
Believe it or not, but this is the most canonical. I force myself to look at the other sandwiches like they are always crack fic. I love Zombie Roger, too. There's a saying for it: "Zombie Roger wants to eat your braaaiins!" XD
I think I've frequented the fan boards a little too often to know all of this.
And Neal is my favourite Protector of the Small character, so I could deal with that threesome happily.
(I'm very easy when it comes to shipping. If you can justify a pairing, any pairing, I'll read it. There are some I don't like, but I have seen pairings I didn't like done well, so *shrug*)
You can never frequent fan boards too often :D How else are we to know what's going down in the world of fandom? We *are* part of fandom, we shouldn't be cutting ourselves off :)
But I expect it anytime.
If you have any pity, any, for my poor abused soul, DO NOT POST IT. When/if you see it.
(Also. There's a U2 -fandom-? What IS it with people treating bands like they're fictional people?)
That said... my feelings for Bono are generally of respect and admiration sometimes toeing the line on idolatry, especially given he's more than old enough to be my father, and he's happily married (to a wife who's also amazing), but I have to admit that there are times (see: the video for The Ground Beneath Her Feet) when he reduces me to a puddle of gibbering drool. So I can kinda see that sort of thing. Except that for the average fangirl, at least my generation, he better have a freaking mullet because if you're writing about post-mullet Bono that is SQUICK to the maxcore.
I agreed to PPC U2 badfic. Agent Whatever is the one in charge there, with Krisprolls.
And oh yes, there's a U2 fandom: LJ comms (u2fic, u2slash), websites (loveisblindness.net), whatever. Where U2 get slashed by twos, threes and fours. Same for the wives/girlfriends (except there are no fours as one of the U2 members is single but still). there are also fics with Mary Sues half the U2 members's age, and fics about the children. Fics come from the whole timeline. I came across a LJ comm which spotted U2 badfic: wrathofthawg (where I found the U2 bondage fic MSTed).
I admit, I did write some (gen) fic (before I knew of the fandom) and it was pretty bad.
U2 aren't the ones being treated like this, aren't the worst (My Chemical Romance and Panic! At The Disco come to mind. These guys get slashed like hell).
One factoid : Bono doesn't like the mullet he had in the 80s anymore.
I know it's out there, I guess. I just don't think about it. Some things... U2 is sacred to me. That's not the right word, but it's the closest I can come. It would -almost- (ALMOST, I said) be like looking at Bible based badfic. I don't WANT to know. I'm better off without the mind pollution.
And yes, I know Bono thinks his mullet was stupid/crazy. I believe his exact words were to the effect that it looked like a small animal perched on his head? But I still say he pulled it off better than most people.
I too tend to avoid U2 fic. In fact, I only look for sites mocking it. But I haven't been lucky so far (a dead LJ comm).
There are a lot of h/c fics, like everywhere (and they finish the same way... sorry for your mind). Some people can't help seeing homo subtext in the U2 members' body language, and can't help writing it as text. At 'best', it's only implied or treated as 'secret love' because the guys feel bad about cheating on their wives with each other... FECK.
That's why I don't like reading U2 fic. One time or another, I come across a sentence along the line of 'Dude A's love towards Dude B' or something. In an otherwise totally gen context. I don't think friends, even as strong as U2 are, would 'love' each other. I don't know of a good word, because 'like' is too weak in this context, and 'love' has romantic connotations... but wtf.
BTW the animal was a skunk, I think.
Yeah... I dunno. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with slash. It can be well done, and I enjoy reading a well-written slashfic every bit as much as a hetero fic or whatever. Hell, even noncanon slash -can- be written plausibly. But slashing real people (who are straight)... Eh. I dunno.
Love is the word you are looking for, I think. Platonic love. Love is definitely the word to describe U2. But... platonic love is not eros. It's not lust. Hell, eros can't even be equated with lust, though they overlap. Do you see what I'm saying? Love is there, yes. But there is more than one kind of love. (I can't recommend The Four Loves strongly enough on that topic. Nobody says it like CS Lewis. ...would it sway your opinion if I told you Bono is a Lewis fan? Hell, he based parts of MacPhisto on Screwtape.)
Do friends, even friends like U2, call each other 'love'?
I came across this in a fic.
I have never heard any member of U2 -call- another 'love,' as a name. I've heard love used as an endearing nickname (or term of affection, you know what I mean), but not by them. But then, we don't know what they do when the cameras are off.
...no, I couldn't write that paragraph with a straight face. We don't know exactly what they call each other when the cameras are off, but I'd be willing to bet what they're doing is writing songs and making music, joking around like four friends who have known each other since highschool... and not having hot gay sex. And not just because they're married, but because platonic love is not romantic love. Don't get me wrong here, romantic love can spring from platonic love. But after feckin' thirty YEARS, I think it would've happened if it was going to happen. I'd bet that what they have is so strong, it kicks the ASS of whatever lust-oriented motives would result in four-ways between them. That is to say, theoretically (and if you go way, way, WAY out of context), there could be something there, th motives don't necessarily have to be lust-oriented. But... well, I've never read these slashfics (with, I think, sufficent reasons given), so I don't necessarily know. But-- tell me if I'm wrong here-- I'll bet that if you read these 'fics with an analytical eye, the motives are almost exclusively lustful. Especially if you read between the lines-- not even necessarily the author's given motives for the bandmates to be jumping each other, but the author's motives for writing it.
(Let me make this clear, too: What you want to fantasize about in your own head is your own business. Go ahead and daydream about Larry and Bono getting it on if that's what floats your boat. But writing that? Sitting down and taking the time and the words and the altogether work to type that all out? And then putting it up in public... that's, that's a little scary, to me. If you're slashing Legolas and Aragorn, okay, whatever. It's not canon, it might be horribly written, and it's completely out of character, but they're fictional characters, so... yeah, whatever. But when you're doing that to real people? I think... maybe it's just me, the writer in me, but I think actually writing that shite down is a bad move, because physically writing it out can mess with your head. And it also makes the whatever you want to call it in your head that much stronger, and, hell, they can see it. A quick google search would show any curious member exactly what their fans think of them. Eh. Personally, my fantasies run along the lines of, ya know, writing this amazing article about some vastly important news story, covering it firsthand before anyone knew about it-- maybe busting the US President for funding anti-fair-trade attacks or something-- and getting to meet Bono, winning his approval, maybe his respect. Getting to tell him he's my hero, he is part of the reason why I am who I am. It's every bit as absurd and unlikely, it's an improbable, if not entirely impossible, fantasy. And it's a fictional story about real people. And that is why you will never see me write it down as such. Because that, in my book, would be wrong. My inner writer is the truest part of my soul. It's okay for me to have stupid fantasies in my head, in the same way that it's okay to have horrible nightmarish images, because it's just a passing thing, sometimes stuff I barely control. But to write it down? To consciously put pen to paper, fingers to keyboard, and make that vision, a fictional story about a REAL PERSON into a concrete thing... that would be a violation of my inner core, in a way... I don't know. Anyway. More than you needed to know. That's why I reacted to you mentioning that there are U2 slashfics out there by a suppressed scream, followed by laying my head on my desk for several minutes. Because that feels... wrong, in my twisted little soul, at least.)
So. WAY too much information, but to answer your question, no. No, I don't think most friends call each other 'love.' They might feel a deep love for each other, but I doubt it would be vocalised quite like that.
(Another thing, one which slipped my mind when I was talking about platonic love versus romantic love earlier, and yes, another paraphrased Lewis quote: Friends are shoulder to shoulder, they look in the same direction. Lovers are face to face, they look at each other.) Or something like that.
I already knew the answer to my question, and just wanted to have confirmation. I don't see U2 at ALL as slash partners, and I agree with you on that. It just is that I came across a fic (an apparently gen one) and I read Bono calling Edge 'love' (or the other way around, I don't remember).
I'm too of the ones who don't like non-canon relationships in any fandom, real or fictional. U2 are friends, I see them as friends. I was just pissed at the fact that not everybody can get it. I even came across fics where they waited for like 10, 15, 20, even 30 years before admitting they're in love with each other. Feck.
If only we could tell the people on U2 fanfics comms. I agree with you that writing about real people is weird. What would they think if they knew they were slashed with each other? Frak. You're right not to read that.
BTW, I love your quote. It pretty much sums up it all.
Have you seen this yet?
But I've seen it with the original color too.
I read about the book on Wikipedia, and I understand what you mean. In fact, I do agree with you. But in the fics, it was implied it was something else. But maybe it was me. Love perfectly descibes U2, right, but when the word is written in a fic, it's meant as slashfest.
Bono a Lewis fan? Doesn't surprise me. They're both Irish, and both strong believers. It was logical.
... in fandoms with attractive characters of both sexes. Polyshipping being the new black and everything :) It can be very well done and a lot of fun, but! like all things it depends on the characters.
U2 doesn't help (Bono keeps groping and pecking his bandmates on stage), and they get slashed a lot, by twos, threes and fours. So I guess the OT4 is so obvious it doesn't even need mentioning.
I've seen a lot of LJ icons, pictures, etc, with a shot of a random show (or the Discotheque video), showing two random U2 members (most often one of them is Bono) looking like they kiss, and suggesting they might be a couple in real life.
I think you have to be ignoring a lot of subtext to actually believe that any of them are RL slash, though. (For one, they're all very clearly hetero.) Especially anything with MacPhisto-- half his act was draping himself across the rest of the band. But if you hear them talk... there's something very emotional, very strong, very loving there, but it's definitely platonic. If it's anything more than that, it's just a stronger-than-usual platonic relationship, taken to another level by the way they connect through music. I figure, no one could hang around the same three guys for thirty years without some kind of bond forming there-- that doesn't mean it's a romantic bond. Geez, some of these people need to read The Four Loves or something.
I haven't read the book, but I think it could be useful, yes.
I second everything you say. Yes, it seems that most people think every non-family bond is a romantic one (and there are some twisted people out there who think that even some family bonds can turn into romance), and showing affection towards a fellow human being is only a way to ask for sexual favors, or something, rather than the expression of anything else than romantic love. This mistake has led some people to think showing affection to your child is paedophilia... so why not thinking showing affection to your fellow U2 member is homosexuality? (not being a homophobe here, some people still get that mixed up)
Oh, and I think the U2 members think of themselves as brothers or something. Which would make them a family of almost 20 people (wives and children included). This in fact inspired me for my original fiction: some of my aliens live with their best friends and their respective families, and friendship bonds are as important there as love is on Earth.
Remember the narrative laws of comedy, and Rule 34?
And it's always Agent Trojie that gets sent out on bandslash missions, for her sins, too ... :P
They PPC U2 fics.
... about pretty much everything they do. After all, I created them XD
But yes, most are horrible. I don't think you're even supposed to call guys "-chan"!
It should be "-kun" for a younger person only, or "-bozu" if you're trying to be sickeningly cute. Those older than you or ahead of you in school get "-sama". Snape should be getting "-sensei" if anything, and should still be confused as feck.
(Fortunately, a troper friend of mine beat the weaboo out of me in freshman year of high school.)
As for nicknames, I've heard Llednar Twem from FFTA called Ledie.
An appropriate name for a character created by the pent-up rage of a kid about one swirly away from going gun-crazy on everyone, no?
One of Llednar's spells. It's a pallette swap of Omega.
No idea who Llednar is.
Yeah, thought not. He's the dragon to the big bad of FFTA.
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance.
A and B the C of D, wot wot? as the hares would say.
Leggy-chan. By someone who's known him all of a few days. As the birds would say, HEADBRANCH! And then there's Jackie-poo for Captain Jack Sparrow. "If Captain J. S. ever heard himself referred to as... If I ever saw him put up with that sort of nickname... That 'Sue would be learning about the execution methods favored by Vlad Drakul--Vlad the Impaler." -- Agent Gallowglass.
And don't forget 'Mione.
Yes Legolas does get a rather unflattering bunch... I saw "leggi-wegs" used seriously during the seduction scene.
Might as well just call him "Snappy" and be done with it. Bleh. I want to sic the real Snape on them.
I get the feeling they wouldn't even recognize the real Snape. Even in the movie he didnt look like a goddamn bishonen and the movie version of him had clean hair
Depending on your feelings towards Alan Rickman...*shame*
But bookverse Snape is actually pretty darn ugly. Why do the fangirls make him into Sexy!Snape?
Actually, I think he was supposed to be in his late thirties, and J.K. Rowling has said she was thinking of Rickman when she designed the character, but I just like him because he's badass. Really, "he's hawwt!1!!" doesn't need to be in the list of reasons to like a character. Reasons I like various characters from various continuua include "badass", "could beat up Edward Cullen", "shiny", "I'm attracted to power", and "hot". Which is at the end of the list. (Of course, I have a skewed idea of what constitutes "hot".)
I find Nick Frost hot...
Sooooo...XDD
(and, by extension, Danny Butterman)
But yeah, there are more ethings to go on than physical appearance. And my nine-year-old cousin could kick Edward's ass.
The main reason being they are all awesome. (OK they're hot too)
Bono's okay, I guess.
I'd be more attracted to the whole philanthropy thing than his looks.
It's implied in my earlier 'awesome' comment. I mean, Bono is awesome partly because of this. (the others members are, too)
Ah.
And here I just love Nick 'case he's funny as hell.
Makes me feel like a shallw jerk. >.>