Well, more or less.

Subject: Well, more or less.
Author: Outhra
Posted on: 2014-03-29 21:09:00 UTC

The universe isn't composed of lines, and you're right in saying so. It's not circles, either, despite what Caboose might have to say on the subject. It's more composed of individual moments, thrown together into whatever arrangement makes the most sense at the moment, which usually look an awful lot like universes from the inside, and whatever comes out is put together alongside everything that does exist, could exist, or would exist given a push in the right direction, all in a whole sort of general mish-mash. The universes themselves are not, strictly speaking, universes, because any given universe is not a thing as such, but rather a way of looking at the aforementioned mish-mash. You can slice up the Whole Sort of General Mish-Mash any way you like, and you'll generally come up with something that someone will call home.

(Or, in other words, I'll see your Doctor Who, and raise you a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy(though all but a few lines were paraphrased, to fit the conventions of our current topic), with a little bit of Red vs. Blue near the beginning. Your follow-up move?)

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Shiny Newbie! by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-24 03:20:00 UTC Reply

Once upon a time, a young girl dwelt in euphoria and luxury, the daughter of a historical nonfiction enthusiast and a Trekkie. At some vague and unremembered age before her fifth year began, she was taught by her mother the Trekkie and her brother, also a Trekkie, of the wondrous and far-off land of Middle-earth. And this girl took up the sword, bow, and axe and departed from the beaten way, shunning the path of the Trekkie and donning the cloak of a Ringer.

The rest of this long and loquacious story can be summed up as follows: She also liked "The Chronicles of Narnia" and the Redwall series. At the age of twelve she wrote her first fanfiction "which was - wonder of wonders! - neither a tale of Mary Sue nor too overwhelmingly stupid. Ah, for the vibrantly ALIVE OC who held no romantic attraction for any canon character. Ah, for the glory days..." It was a Redwall fic and remains unfinished.

At fourteen she encountered her first honest to goodness Mary Sue (from a source not herself). She had seen parodies before, but always believed them to be exaggerated. Then, she opened the story "All Souls Night" and her innocence was destroyed when she realized that some people write characters like that and actually think it's okay. Not that she's never written a Mary Sue, but "in a truly inexplicable phenomenon, the girl realized that this was inappropriate of her own motivation. She noted two instances of mind-bending illogic. She saw that Sam Squirrel was present in name only. She realized that her character lorded it over even other OCs as if they were her personal slaves, and in her heart some voice of goodness told her 'This is not right!'"

Then, salvation! For she discovered nothing other than the PPC Original Series. Imagine her joy when she discovered that "All Souls Night" was one of the fics hit by Jay and Acacia. "She had nearly sunk into a deep mire of despair for the fate of that endeavor known as fan fiction when she first encountered reference to the defenders of logic and 3-dimentional characters. Hope soared within her then, for it seemed that some yet stood for good grammar, keeping the canons in-character, and applying logic to the written word." Then she realized that people still write PPC stories, and ever since then she has read them eagerly and voraciously. At this point, she will stop referring to herself in third person.

My pretentious username relates to a story not really worth telling involving a really atrocious Aragorn/Éowyn fanfic and a Redwall Mary Sue of my own creation. My fandoms are many and varied, but include "The Lord of the Rings," "Redwall," "The Chronicles of Narnia," "The Lord of the Rings," "Doctor Who," "Stargate SG-1," "The Lord of the Rings," "Star Trek: The Original Series," and anything Robin Hood... did I mention "The Lord of the Rings?"

Think that's everything. Can't wait to meet you all! My username at other places like YouTube and ff.net will be either the same as this or similar. A question: Do you think Jay and Acacia ever come look at the PPC community and the legacy they've left? 'Cause boy-o, have they left a legacy!

TLDR: Hi, everyone! Snowy here! Love you guys! Free virtual hugs for all!

Hello, hello! by eatpraylove on 2014-03-30 15:54:00 UTC Reply

Glad to see we both like Redwall. Here's a bucket of popcorn (to munch as you read or throw at Sues), a pair of 1950-something 3D glasses (they detect plotholes/Sue-stuff, don't ask me how), and a human-sized replica of Matthias' sword. Good luck!

Hi! by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-30 20:27:00 UTC Reply

Hmm... not much of a popcorn eater.

*Empties most of the popcorn into a convenient asparagus steamer, then places bucket on head. Dons glasses. Brandishes sword. Hums "Ride of the Valkyries."*

I'll throw the popcorn at 'Sues later. Thank you very much for the gifts! Another Redwall fan! Yay!

First plover! (nm) by Tawaki on 2014-03-28 16:27:00 UTC Reply

Clueless by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-29 20:20:00 UTC Reply

Is there a porpoise for this plover?

Now I'm confused. by Outhra on 2014-03-29 22:56:00 UTC Reply

What connection do porpoises have to plovers? Is this a reference to something in which a porpoise and a plover team up, perhaps to solve crime at a zoo? Were you making a pun? Do porpoises eat birds?

That's because I'm confusing. by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-29 23:14:00 UTC Reply

As far as I know, the only connection between porpoises and plovers is the fact that they are both animals. I was making a pun, and a pretty abysmal one, but you can blame my dad and one of his friends, because he used to make that pun all the time and she got me this terrible birthday card that had that pun and worse ones written all over it. I... don't really know whether or not porpoises eat birds. Now you've made me curious. I'll have to Google that.

*Post Google*

Porpoises eat squids. And other things (not birds), but the squids really struck me. So porpoises eat squids.

Huh. Here, have a picture of a dolphin.

Oh, hello there! by 99Hedgehog on 2014-03-25 22:44:00 UTC Reply

Can't remember the last time I greeted a newbie... I know I have something for you here just hang on... Ah! Found it! A Nova-class starship! Complete with crew!

The Emperor Protects!

Awesome! by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-26 03:11:00 UTC Reply

With the crew and everything! That's really cool! Is "The Emperor Protects" the name of the starship? I'm kind of new in the Star Trek fandom, but it seems unusual, to say the least. Or is that your signature? A word of wisdom? Any of those is cool. Thank you very much!

It's just something he says. by Outhra on 2014-03-26 06:05:00 UTC Reply

He's talking about one of the emperors from Warhammer 40000. He usually puts some "The Emperor Verbs" at the end of his posts, usually "The Emperor Protects".

Also, I question the judgement in giving someone new to the Board their own spacecraft. How do I know you won't terrorize the populace with it, hmmm? And this is coming from me, the guy who regularly hands out plasma weapons and spider robots when he can't come up with good gift ideas. I know irresponsible.

It's only an itty-bitty science vessel. What could go wrong? (nm by 99Hedgehog on 2014-03-26 07:11:00 UTC Reply

I'm Sure a Lot Can Go Wrong by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-26 15:50:00 UTC Reply

I've never had my own science vessel before. My inexperience could lead to mishaps. I'll try not to do anything stupid...

I'm sure the crew knows how to run the ship. I'll just listen to their advice, yes?

I Am Almost Certain That He Was Being Facetious by Outhra on 2014-03-26 16:00:00 UTC Reply

After all, phrases like those are certain to attract the attention of the Ironic Overpower. If you hadn't posted, I was going to respond with something along the lines of ACK NEVER SAY THAT NEVER SAY THAT followed by hiding under a table. You never ask what can go wrong. That instantly means something will go very wrong in the near future.

In the distance by Sevenswans on 2014-03-26 17:45:00 UTC Reply

... The research vessel slowly fills with ravenous tribbles.

Haha by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-26 18:24:00 UTC Reply

Briefly forgot about the Ironic Overpower. How foolish of me.

I should have signed in with another name by Sevenswans on 2014-03-26 23:51:00 UTC Reply

Next time, I'll sign in as the Ironic Overpower. :D

I Wouldn't Risk It by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-27 04:58:00 UTC Reply

The Ironic Overpower might not be pleased. Taking the name of God in vain and all that. I mean, what if you accidentally signed in as the Iconic Overlord or something?

Although that's actually quite ridiculous. I don't think you could do that by accident.

You Know It Is Not Necessary To Capitalize The Titles by Outhra on 2014-03-27 05:37:00 UTC Reply

When I Capitalized My Post Title Both Last Time And I Suppose Now It Was Primarily To Bring Up The Point To You But I Admit My Methods May Have Been A Tad Understated And For That I Am Sorry

As Recompense For That I Am Being Very Obvious With My Message Both In Its Literal Statement And Through My Pervasive In-Text Capitalization

Normally I Would Only Go With The Former But In All Honesty I Find It Entertaining To Type Like Kanaya Maryam

She Is A Character From Homestuck In Case You Did Not Know

I Would Have Changed The Text Color To Reflect Those Influences Because I Personally Believe Her Text Color To Be Quite Pretty But That Would Only Have Confused You Further And Distracted From My Initial Point

Also I Seem To Have Misplaced The Text Altering Command

Oh Well

Maybe we could start a )(omestuck spelling trend! by SeaTurtle on 2014-03-27 06:02:00 UTC Reply

T)(at would be so -EXCITING! 38D

:33 by Outhra on 2014-03-27 06:28:00 UTC Reply

:33

Actually I Believe I May Stick With Kanayas Typing Quirk

Cat Puns Are More Difficult For Me To Devise Than They Might Seem And It May Simply Be Easier For Other People To Come Up With Ones That Are Less Blase Or At Least Not Perceived As Such By Their Creator

Regardless Her More Verbose Style Of Conversation More Accurately Fits With My Manner Of Speaking Anyway

or maybe ii could u2e 2ollux'2. ii'd be good wiith 2ollux'2 quirk once ii got u2ed to iit.

*quiirk by Outhra on 2014-03-27 06:31:00 UTC Reply

a2 you miight have been able to tell, ii am not u2ed to iit yet.

i PREFER tAVROS' QUIRK by SeaTurtle on 2014-03-27 07:54:00 UTC Reply

tAVROS JUST SO HAPPENS, TO BE MY FAVOURITE TROLL OF THE BUNCH,

hE'S THE MORE SANE ONE OF THE GROUP, aND PLAYED THE GAME BY THE RULES,

hIS ANCESTOR IS A PRETTY DECENT GUY AS WELL,

i CAN ALSO RELATE TO PARTS OF HIS BACKSTORY AS WELL, bUT, uHHH, nOT HIS PHYSICAL HANDICAP,

I'm away for a few days and this happens, (nm) by 99Hedgehog on 2014-03-28 10:18:00 UTC Reply

1T'S NOT TOO L4T3 TO T4K3 P4RT! (nm) by Outhra on 2014-03-28 14:56:00 UTC Reply

Outhra. Outhra, no. by DawnFire on 2014-03-28 20:34:00 UTC Reply

Not that I've seen the rest of the conversation, actually, so feel free to ignore me.

But, well, now that I've got your attention--no, hey, stop ignoring me for a moment, I didn't mean you should start right now--I was just wondering if you'd seen my reply on the rp. Admittedly, my subject line's in brackets, but it is a reply.

(In other words: /nudges/ Rp?)

Ta. Enjoy the...is that actually what most people call l33t speak, or just a Homestuck thing? Either way, enjoy.

~DF

It's both! by Outhra on 2014-03-28 22:27:00 UTC Reply

One of the Homestuck trolls speaks in teal, and replaces any instances of the letters a, e, and i with 4s, 1s, and 3s. She was one of my favorite trolls, too. Not because of the quirk, but because she was so much fun! She got really angsty for a while before Homestuck went on hiatus, but seemed to be on the verge of breaking out of it before the pause started. I hope she does.

Wait, this was about the RP, too, and not just Homestuck! I should probably stop expositing, then.
I saw your reply, and SeaTurtle's, but between my RL commitments, I've not had time to write a proper continuation to either for the last three days. I've got stuff sitting in my e-mail inbox that was supposed to be read at the beginning of the week, too. Stupid real life, not working around what I want to be doing! (shakes fist at the sky) This should be a good opportunity to expand on my characters, though. Copernicus has never been directly questioned about his functionality before, and your post puts Lonny in a pretty new situation to him as well, so figuring out how they'll respond should be entertaining. And no, I don't mind that Lonny got hit with the hamantash. I don't think one would be hard enough to hurt him or sticky/drippy enough to stain anything, so he's not going to be mad.

Karkat by wobblestheclown on 2014-03-29 01:01:00 UTC Reply

I would post a brief drabble concerning them but Phobos would shout at me. =]

Isn't that too much anger in one place? by SeaTurtle on 2014-03-29 01:29:00 UTC Reply

I think you might punch a hole in the fabric of the space-time continuum if you lump these two together.

How do you think they met in the first place? by Outhra on 2014-03-29 05:51:00 UTC Reply

Their sheer combined rage rips open space-time, said space-time rift extracts Karkat Vantas and Malcolm Tucker from their original places in fiction and drops them in one temporally predetermined location, the pair grow angry, the pair shout at each other either at one another or at recent events causing them to be separated from their familiar surroundings, and their sheer combined rage rips open space-time, depositing the past selves of both in their places in the relative past of the predestined zone to start off the loop. It's time shenanigans, and damaged-time shenanigans at that. The event doesn't need to happen in linear order.

I'm not going to pretend I know what you're talking about by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-29 20:28:00 UTC Reply

But I feel the urge to point out that while most people assume time is a strict progression from cause to effect, it's actually more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff.

Anyhow, carry on. This discussion is most entertaining.

Well, more or less. by Outhra on 2014-03-29 21:09:00 UTC Reply

The universe isn't composed of lines, and you're right in saying so. It's not circles, either, despite what Caboose might have to say on the subject. It's more composed of individual moments, thrown together into whatever arrangement makes the most sense at the moment, which usually look an awful lot like universes from the inside, and whatever comes out is put together alongside everything that does exist, could exist, or would exist given a push in the right direction, all in a whole sort of general mish-mash. The universes themselves are not, strictly speaking, universes, because any given universe is not a thing as such, but rather a way of looking at the aforementioned mish-mash. You can slice up the Whole Sort of General Mish-Mash any way you like, and you'll generally come up with something that someone will call home.

(Or, in other words, I'll see your Doctor Who, and raise you a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy(though all but a few lines were paraphrased, to fit the conventions of our current topic), with a little bit of Red vs. Blue near the beginning. Your follow-up move?)

Yes, well... by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-30 04:28:00 UTC Reply

None of those moment-universes you mentioned are exactly the same as any of the others, because while the Multiverse Theory of Quantum Physics posits the theory of parallel universes, they are parallel universes only because in them we exist in some way shape or form that we can imagine, implying that because we have to imagine this state, it is different from the state that we exist in in our home universe.

Travel between separate universes is highly dangerous at best, possibly catastrophic to the individual. Parallel versions of yourself are to be avoided at all cost, though simple avoidance is most likely not enough to protect you from the destructive effects of one universe containing two of the same person.

However, when the realm of "universes" is left behind and "realities" is invoked, travel between them in and of itself can be safely accomplished, though with unpredictable results, particularly in the area of time spent there. One year in your home reality can equate to any number of years in any other reality, and one year in another reality generally results in only a moment passing in your home reality. Cross-reality travel to be undertaken with great caution, and preferably supernatural guidance.

(I'll see your Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and Red vs. Blue and raise you a Stargate, Earth: Final Conflict, and Chronicles of Narnia. Your turn.)
(Also, I fear I must admit [as you've probably already guessed] that I've never read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, so I apologize for the blatant misunderstandings I'm sure I've invoked.)

Some of that just doesn't make a lot of sense. by Outhra on 2014-03-30 21:59:00 UTC Reply

I'm not sure what the contexts were in the original fandoms, but there really shouldn't be anything wrong with an alternate-universe version of a person existing alongside their otherworldly counterpart. At least I can sort of understand the logic behind having meetings between past and future selves be taboo, because interactions with one's past self might change the path of one's future in mutable-time continua. Meeting another entirely distinct and separate version of oneself wouldn't be any different from meeting a long-lost twin, or a clone.

You really don't want me to do that, do you? by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-27 05:51:00 UTC Reply

Ok, I'll stop. I just learned that all words in titles have to be capitalized, unless they are unimportant words of less than three letters. Force of habit, you know?

I know you were going overboard, but I feel inclined to point out that your title should have been "You Know it is Not Necessary to Capitalize the Titles."

What is the text altering command?

Kanaya capitalizes the first letter of every word. by Outhra on 2014-03-27 06:14:00 UTC Reply

I was emulating her typing style. She also doesn't use punctuation, and starts a new line after every thought because of that.
Anyway, post titles aren't supposed to be formal. For titles of works, like a book, a movie, or a mission, title capitalization rules apply, but just putting up an indicator phrase on the Board doesn't necessitate any more formality than a regular sentence would.

I found the command. text to be changed, once the tildes are removed, will change your text to any font and color. For just color changes, it's text to be changed. I had to put in the tildes because the command would have activated if I didn't separate the angle brackets from the rest of the HTML.

Oh, okay by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-27 06:21:00 UTC Reply

That makes sense. Never read/watched Homestuck, so I'm very unfamiliar with what it is and what happens in it. As you may have guessed, I don't even know what medium it comes in. Perhaps I'll Google that.

Most of the time, it's a webcomic. by Outhra on 2014-03-27 06:50:00 UTC Reply

I say "most of the time" because there are also games, flash animations(with awesome music), interactive screens, and other points of differentiation from the rest of the medium. Also, it's conveyed in a series of large panels, usually gifs, rather than in strip format, but those panels have text beneath them, either from the narrator or showing dialogue between the characters. Sometimes there can be a lot of text for a single panel, and other times, there can be a series of wordless panels on several separate pages that tell a visual story.

It can get really complicated, but it's also really great, in terms of story, the telling of that story, and the interactions between the characters. Since the author has currently put progression on hiatus so he can work on other projects and on finishing Homestuck's last act, there'll be plenty of time to catch up if you want to. It starts right here. The first two acts are very slow going, but they are also the shortest, and act as a sort of indicator for what exactly you are going to be getting into. Also, several characters swear, especially the trolls, so be forewarned if you're sensitive about that.

My Homestuck friend... by Iximaz on 2014-03-27 11:49:00 UTC Reply

Once introduced me to it. I'm a little familiar with the plot(???) and the characters even though I haven't read past the second act. I think it was hilarious when I asked her, "So when do we get to Trollworld?"

Her face turned bright red and she looked about ready to throttle me.

I trolled the troll fan.

Really? I wouldn't have gotten mad. by Outhra on 2014-03-27 15:04:00 UTC Reply

You just might not have remembered the planet's name. It's called Alternia, by the way, and it shows up at the start of Act 5, a.k.a. the really, really long one.

Haha, yeah, plot(???) is a pretty good way of describing the first two acts, especially since half of the plot points introduced there, such as they are, have been either almost completely ignored or absorbed into something else by the point we are now. It's setup, which is important, but nothing much happens regarding the central plotline until Act 3.

Haha, I've learned that the hard way. by Iximaz on 2014-04-01 11:43:00 UTC Reply

I actually started reading Homestuck and am now up to Act 4. The trolls working backward from the kids' timeline reminds me a lot of the River Song/Doctor plot thing.

(And I knew it was called Alternia; I was just messing with her.)

(Also my phone tried to correct 'messing' to 'hussing'. No idea why, but it seemed appropriate to mention.)

What's your favorite part so far? by Outhra on 2014-04-01 18:29:00 UTC Reply

I was going to ask about favorite characters, but about half of them of them aren't introduced until later on, the trolls in Act 5 and the Alpha Kids in Act 6, so there's not the best sample size yet.

Oh, the time shenanigans in Homestuck will get so much better than the River Song plot. Just wait until you get to the ectobiology, or Dave(and Aradia, but you've not met her yet) start getting full use of their powers, or about 25% of what the troll session gets up to. And a few other things, but they are major Act 5 plot points that I do not want to spoil.

Uuugh, I was going to make like five jokes about Andrew Hussie when you said that, but all of the good ones are in late Act 4 and beyond, and they would be the biggest spoilers! Why would you do this?

You. What have you done. by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-04-02 02:12:00 UTC Reply

What devilry did you engage in... what mind powers did you use on me... what mental superglue is keeping me interested... this Homestuck thing! It's eating my life!

Seriously. LotR, Doctor Who, and Redwall just sorta glanced at it and budged up and now all four of them are seated at a table partaking in a meal consisting of my life garnished with my grades and a dessert of my ability to socialize normally to follow. The other three were slacking off! Now new appetite has been brought forth and I gaze into the pit of darkness and despair to where my unknown fate awaits me in the shadows beyond! Okay, a computer screen isn't actually that dark, but whatever. I did fan art! A sure sign of mental faculty deprivation.

That being said:

This is so amazing! This is more amazing than cinnamon raisin bread! How has amazingness this amazing escaped my amazing radar before now? You have introduced me to the light! *Hugs!* I must tell all my friends! Amazingness this amazing is too amazing not to be shared! As soon as I can pry myself away from the computer, of course. I am officially hooked. I have proposed marriage to the hook on one knee.

(As if I wasn't scared enough of clowns before.)

Here, let me help you. by SeaTurtle on 2014-04-02 08:06:00 UTC Reply

Once you've gotten far enough to know about player titles in Sburb, follow this link and take the test.

I wanna see if the Board can produce a viable session.

According to the above, I am ~~absolutely useless~~ a Mage of Void.

"Once I've gotten far enough?" by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-04-04 06:40:00 UTC Reply

I'm well into Act Six.

Anyway, I did the quiz and I tied for a Spark of Time and a Spark of Space. Personally I think I'd be more the Spark of Time. So that's cool.

What other titles have we got?

Nice. Every session needs a Time player and a Space player. by Outhra on 2014-04-04 13:47:00 UTC Reply

Spark is non-canon, though several fansessions have adopted it as an aspect rather than a class. Seer of Spark, Bard of Spark, etcetera. They rationalize it as being the electrical power base, in the subdued and slightly misdirective Sburbian way that brought us Breath for wind, Hope for light, and Light for luck, which gives Spark a canon-compliant spot in the formula of mythological roles.

Honestly, I've never enjoyed non-canon roles that don't follow the formula. Titles are supposed to be a rank or a class of being, not some random appellation someone thinks would look cool, and aspects are supposed to be both useful in application and accessible for a variety of interpretations by one's title. How many classes are going to be able to use "Zen"? The offensive titles won't be able to channel it to do anything, and the support classes will hardly get anything out of it that Mind and Hope don't do better. At least the ones on that list are all one syllable, save Seer, which is both a canon title and predates that part of the rule. No Machinists or Builders or Prodigies here.

Not knocking your results, of course. I just don't like most fansession tropes. Plus, your title being non-canon means you could potentially be free to reassign it to a canon role if we have a redundancy or an open space! So that's nice.

Hey, if you decide to solidify as the Space player, do you want to go frog-part hunting with me? It would be on your planet, so you don't need to worry about unfamiliar terrain. It's just lonely doing quests by myself.

Knight of Mind here. by Outhra on 2014-04-04 02:52:00 UTC Reply

Well, it tied between Knight of Mind and Knight of Keys, and I decided to go with the canon-compliant option. Plus, Knight of Mind means I'd have psionic powers, which is really something I've always wanted. They'd be a combatative variety, too, if I'm interpreting the role of the Knight correctly.

Don't mind me, I'll be over on our Space player's planet hunting down some Genesis Frog parts while firing mental blasts at any underlings that pass by.

Newbie presents! by Sevenswans on 2014-03-25 04:04:00 UTC Reply

Have some shiny nacelle paint, trekkie child! And a Tribble plushie! And a blue cupcake!

Thanks! by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-25 04:14:00 UTC Reply

I'll keep ahold of this in case I ever come into possession of any nacelles. Or maybe I'll paint my walls with it.

Ooh, it's a fluffy tribble and it doesn't procreate! That's awesome!

Now, is the actual cupcake blue, or is it the icing?

Thank you for the greeting and the gifts!

The cupcake by Sevenswans on 2014-03-25 19:02:00 UTC Reply

Beware, it will make your tongue blue too. :D

I know, it's the best kind of tribble. :D

You know, I've not been welcoming newbies for a while... by Outhra on 2014-03-25 02:36:00 UTC Reply

But that's no reason not to start again! Hello, greetings, and bienvenue!

Know that you are not alone in ex-badficcery. Almost everyone goes through such a phase, and pretty much everyone looks back at their old days, flinches, and says "No, your phase was nothing compared to mine." I am no different. I keep the original handwritten copy of my first fanfiction partially to remind myself that even when I think something is a great idea in my modern phase, it can always use more thought and development, because when I first wrote that... thing, I thought it was both coherent and hilarious, and in part because I may eventually mission it in the future, if I can manage to type it all into the computer without giving up on absolutely everything.

For your present, you get an Aslan action figure! Realistic articulation! Actual quotes from both books and movies! Real neck-chopping action!
What? He's voiced by Liam Neeson.

Hola, Mae L'ovannen, and Hi! by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-25 03:24:00 UTC Reply

The "Snowy" bit of my name is actually derived from my first 'Sue's name so that I remember her and remember not to do something like that ever again. I've "accidentally" lost the fic itself, though part of it may be still on the internet. Maybe I can get someone to mission it, or perhaps eventually do it myself.

Neck chopping action is good! I like it! Does it roar?

Uh...is "Mae L'ovannen" a mini-Balrog? by son_of_heaven176 on 2014-03-25 04:51:00 UTC Reply

Because I'm pretty sure that the phrase is mae govannen.

I Don't Think So by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-25 04:54:00 UTC Reply

Mae govannen is Quenya; with the L it's Sindarin. I'm not 100% sure about the apostrophe, but I looked it up on arwen-undomiel.com and it said mae l'ovannen there. I capitalized it because it was in the title.

That's not strictly true. Sorry. by Cassie on 2014-03-25 10:52:00 UTC Reply

"Mae g'ovannen" is in fact a formal Sindarin greeting, in almost all dialects of the language.

"Mae l'ovannen" shows up as an informal variation mostly used by the Noldor exiles, and for some reason by the Numenoreans/Gondorians. There are other variants, including "Mê g'ovannen", a formal greeting used by the southern Sindar and the Silvan Elves of Beleriand, "Mae dh'ovannen", the informal form used by the people of Doriath, and "Mê dh'ovannen", the informal version used by the southern Sindar and Silvan people.

And those are just when addressing one person.They all have forms for speaking in the plural, too.

The only direct Quenya equivalent I can find is the generic Quenya "Mai omentaina".

arwen-undomiel.com is not the most accurate site, I'm afraid.

Thanks! by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-25 15:58:00 UTC Reply

I didn't know that. I'm not the most familiar with Tolkien's languages. Thanks for clearing that up. I guess we'll just stick with "mae g'ovannen" for now.

You learn something new every day. (nm) by son_of_heaven176 on 2014-03-25 04:57:00 UTC Reply
Actually, No, Sorry by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-25 04:56:00 UTC Reply

With the G it's familiar. The L is the reverential form. I used it 'cause I don't know anyone here very well yet.

Was that the Redwall Sue? by Outhra on 2014-03-25 04:21:00 UTC Reply

My first badfic was in Bionicle. I'm glad I never posted it online anywhere. That poor fandom has suffered enough.

It does roar! Just push the switch that makes it quote canonical phrases like a button.

Yeah... by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-25 04:39:00 UTC Reply

That was the Redwall 'Sue. (Mostly because the Lotr 'Sue's name was too stupid to adapt into anything.) We all do things we regret.

I'm not hugely familiar with Bionicle or its fandom, but I can imagine it gets some atrocious badfic. You're very lucky you never posted it.

*Makes Aslan roar repeatedly, interspersed with quotes like "No one is told any story but their own." Grins like a baby with candy.*

(shudders) The OCs we get... by Outhra on 2014-03-25 05:42:00 UTC Reply

I'm guessing that, similar to how just about everyone has a badfic phase that they grow out of, everyone has their own story for when they realize that badfic is a real, distinct issue and that people don't just get rid of it after time passes and they develop critical thinking skills. Well, not everyone gets to the second part, but most people do to some extent. Mine was from the Custom Bionicle Wiki. I'm not going to go into detail, but Grod on Mars, the unoriginal or downright baffling concepts, the Mary Sues(well, Gary Stus, usually, since about four-fifths of Bionicle characters are either male or gender-neutral), the groups that only exist to one-up or displace existing groups, the unnecessary elemental powers added on for no good reason, just because nobody else did it before... uugh. Sometimes, there's a good reason why no one made a character that controls the elemental force of radioactivity or rubber, you know? And yet there was a set group of people that hounded anyone who logged on, reverting edits that made the changes make sense or tried to tie anything together, because people were proud of that garbage.

I made the first two or three chapters of a fic that was posted on the site, as per the tradition of the time, intending to pastiche the clichés that the site so often used, but I abandoned it before I even made it clear that it was a parody. Still, though, somewhere on that site people are slavishly protecting my account of killer robots being defeated by Skrall holding baskets of fruit, since the robots didn't recognize fruit as a weapon, and still don't realize I was making a joke. I gain some small satisfaction from that.

Ah... by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-25 16:29:00 UTC Reply

The things people will take seriously. Fruit, eh? That actually sounds pretty funny. It's a little sad at the same time that people thought (think) that was serious.

Do you still write fanfic for Bionicle? Or what do you write for?

Hello, fellow ex-badfic author! by Iximaz on 2014-03-25 00:54:00 UTC Reply

I like to give people pets like this, but I figured that, as a Redwall fan, this one would be doubly appropriate. Have a roaring mouse with an urple bow around its neck!

So I see Star Trek, LotR, Narnia, and Doctor Who as fandoms, but not Harry Potter... Hmm.

*rummages in book closet* *thrusts a bundle at you*

Here you go! Your own copy of the Harry Potter septology!

And welcome aBoard!

Greetings! by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-25 01:25:00 UTC Reply

Unfortunately still kinda working on the "ex" bit. I still have a lot of trouble, especially with Mary Sues and general stupidity. But I try very hard, and I think I'm getting better. Haven't shared any of my work in some time though, so I can't really tell.

Ah... Is there any particular reason for the urple bow? I ask only because it's a little hard on the eyes. And when I say a little, I mean it burns us, precious! Is that why the mouse is roaring? Now I feel sorry for the thing. I shall take it off and save the urple bow for something. I'm sure there's a use. Now to catch it...

Ah, Harry Potter. Have not yet read it, though I've heard it's good. I'll get right on it as soon as Real Life lets up enough. How is it that you have an extra copy on hand to thrust at newbies?

Thank you for the greetings and the gifts. Can I name the mouse Fredrick?

Name him whatever you want. by Iximaz on 2014-03-25 13:32:00 UTC Reply

And Fredrick is roaring just because. I gave one newbie a mooing kitty, so... yeah. =^_^=

My pockets are bigger on the inside. I always carry a copy of the HP books with me. ;)

Wow by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-25 16:08:00 UTC Reply

You have a plethora of exotic animals, don't you? I like Fredrick. He can roar if he likes.

It's always good to have some books around for emergencies. Bigger-on-the-inside technology is great, isn't it?

Hi there! by Kittythekatty on 2014-03-24 23:34:00 UTC Reply

Nice to meet you! Please accept my gifts of a potato cannon, a basket of Russet potatoes, and an Official Fanfiction of Doctor Who sweatshirt.

Hello! by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-25 00:23:00 UTC Reply

Nice to meet you too! Potato cannons are cool! And ammo... or dinner. We'll stick with ammo for now.

An Official Fanfiction of Doctor Who sweatshirt? There's an Official Fanfiction of Doctor Who?

I'm just teasing you. I know what you mean. Also cool!

Oh dear... by Kittythekatty on 2014-03-25 23:47:00 UTC Reply

Sorry about that typo. And I really should update that OFU...
I did post it on ff.net under a different name, Ofthecats.
I'm not sure why I chose that name, but oh well.

Please Do by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-26 03:21:00 UTC Reply

I look forward to an update. I'm thinking of dropping you a PM to put me in there... I have written down some pretty bad Doctor Who ideas and it's awesome anyway. Perhaps I could learn from my avatar's education?

I wrote a Lord of the Rings fan fiction last month in which Boromir declared his belief that Frodo meant to "take the Ring to Sauron and batray us all." It took me a couple of weeks to catch it, and when I finally did I spent a ridiculous amount of time wondering where exactly Frodo would acquire a batray. Perhaps he's really Batman in disguise?

Anyway, the point of all that is that typos are perfectly okay... as long as you don't make a habit out of it. Sometimes they're entertaining (as PPC missions often demonstrate).

I'll definitely be watching that OFU. In fact, I think I'll go and follow it now...

Nananananananana Bat-Hobbit! by Outhra on 2014-03-26 14:21:00 UTC Reply

Wait a minute... is this why we never saw Frodo's parents? They were killed on their way back from watching a play, with only their young son there to witness their demises, too young to help them?
No, that would probably involve hobbit criminals, and judging by the odd moral standards of Tolkien's world, we could never have an evil hobbit or elf. Only orcs are bad guys, and occasionally humans and dwarves when they're corrupted by evil! Maybe we could have some unpleasant hobbits, but they would never think to rob or harm one another! Because you can construct a society that behaves like that!

...Or perhaps that's what the criminals want you to think. The idyllic perfection of their societies would be a perfect cover for the more covert and organized acts of illegality, because while it would be too obvious, too beside the norm to rob the Second Rivendell National Bank, no one would think to look too deep into the perfection of their little cities, peel back the skin to see the rot beneath, and the mess of criminal intellects driving that rot toward nefarious purpose.

Yes, I am suggesting that Bat-Hobbit would fight a dystopian elf mafia. It was too out-there of an idea to not mention when I thought of it. Can you even imagine what the elf Kingpin of Crime would look like? Yes, I know he's a Spider-Man/Daredevil villain, but I don't think Batman has a mob boss enemy, unless you count Tim Burton's versions of Joker and Penguin.

Now, the Ultimate Question by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-26 18:21:00 UTC Reply

Can that be made into a good fanfic?

I think so. by Outhra on 2014-03-26 22:44:00 UTC Reply

It would all depend on how the events are going to be set up and executed in-story. It would also be important to determine what kind of tone you were going for with this, since there are so many interpretations of Batman and not all of them might work for the story one was trying to tell. Is Frodo going to run around in a bat-logoed outfit and purple gloves, and the story would be derived from the campy Adam West Batman? Is he going to be World's Greatest Detective Batman, finding out the secrets behind the elven mafia's history of crime, perhaps capping his discovery by dispensing justice with some well-placed punches and flying kicks? A Nolan-derived dramatic Batman? The version of Batman who always has the best gadgets? Some of those might not be mutually exclusive. I remember Adam West Batman having plenty of great gadgets.

It would be difficult to do well, since the temptation to make this too Batman and forget that it's still set in Middle-earth would be immense, but it's far from impossible. It would probably be best to have comedy as a central element, too, because, seriously, at a conceptual level, you are casting a hobbit as Batman. That is ridiculous, but not necessarily in a bad way, and Batman is no stranger to the ridiculous(see: 1960s TV show, Batman: The Brave and the Bold, pretty much the entirety of the Silver Age). Also, the author would probably need to refrain from introducing more than maybe one Middle-earthed version of a classic Batman villain, unless there was a very good in-story reason to have more than one. It wouldn't be good to lay the references on too thick. I can see a couple of characters that would translate adequately, like elven versions of Deadshot or Two-Face, but they'd have to be tied in to the main plot to make any sense there. Maybe elf-Deadshot could be the elf crime lord's personal hitman, or something, hunting down and killing any elves that get too nosy, and would eventually become obsessed with killing Bat-Hobbit after the hairy-footed hero escapes his assassination attempts one too many times. Which is to say, once.

Thank you! by Kittythekatty on 2014-03-26 03:33:00 UTC Reply

Frodo as Batman? Oh my...
Maybe he discovered a species of rays...
Feel free to drop a PM, I am in need of characters.

There's all kinds of official fanfiction for Doctor Who! by Outhra on 2014-03-25 02:49:00 UTC Reply

They've been doing licensed novels and audio dramas since the Second Doctor was still on television. Some of them are actually really good, I hear, especially the Eighth Doctor ones, which is good since those comprise the entirety of his run aside from the failed pilot movie and the five minutes of time he had in Night of the Doctor.

But I know you meant the WhOFU. There have actually been three now, but one's been wiped clean from the Internet and another fell victim to the OFU Curse. Kittythekatty's is the most recent, though. Unfortunately, I've never actually been able to find it posted anywhere. Maybe it's just not started publishing yet.

WhOFU by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-25 03:11:00 UTC Reply

There's two on ff.net: One hasn't been updated since June and the other has only one chapter and was published in December. I've read the former but not the latter. Is the latter Kittythekatty's?

Actually, I've read a Doctor Who novel - a hand-me-down from my brother. It was good. I've heard the audio dramas are too, though I haven't listened to any myself. I plan to, but I want to watch more of the Classics first.

I've listened to three of the audios. by Ailavyn Siniyash on 2014-03-25 04:24:00 UTC Reply

Two with Eight ("The Chimes of Midnight" which is utterly fantastic and one of my favourite Doctor Who stories ever, and "Caerdroia" which is also wonderful, mainly due to the hilarious dialogue) and one with Six ("...ish" which was quite a lot of fun and involved a complete dictionary of the English language). I'd recommend all of them.

-Aila
That December one looks like hers. by Outhra on 2014-03-25 04:14:00 UTC Reply

I actually remember reading that chapter when it first came out, meaning to post a report on some misplaced punctuation marks, and never doing so for some reason. It should have shown up on the Google search I did for Doctor Who fanfiction universities, though...

I personally recommend the Third and Seventh Doctors. They're my favorites, though Nine had a very fun season in New Who. There's a post I made a while back with links to The Time Warrior, which is one of Three's best stories. You should watch it; Sontarans attack the Middle Ages, and it's as great as it sounds.

Hmm... by Kittythekatty on 2014-03-26 00:07:00 UTC Reply

It hasn't shown up? How strange.
Outhra, would you mind beta reading the next chapter?
Once I actually finish it and sharing it with you via Gdocs?
That would be very much appreciated.

...This was unexpected. by Outhra on 2014-03-26 06:12:00 UTC Reply

Sure, I'd love to! Definitely! I'm working on several things now, so I might not be able to get to the WhOFU as quickly as I'd like, but I would definitely be able to do so. When do you expect to have the next chapter fully written, and do you need my e-mail address?

Hmm by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-25 04:27:00 UTC Reply

You'd think it'd come up on a Google search. I just seemed to recall seeing it a month or two ago while I was looking for some other OFU.

Still on First myself. Typically, I got interested when I saw some NewWho and only recently started watching the Classics. Of course they aren't on Netflix so I have to get them from the library which takes time... From what I've seen all the Doctors are really cool. (My hormones dictate that Ten is the greatest, but I'm thinking my mind disagrees.)

I'll definitely watch that episode. It sounds absolutely amazing!

Re: Shiny Newbie! by Antigone68104 on 2014-03-24 16:38:00 UTC Reply

Hi, have some fudge!

Many Thanks by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-24 18:52:00 UTC Reply

Yum, fudge! Hello to you too!

*waves* by Ailavyn Siniyash on 2014-03-24 15:55:00 UTC Reply

Hello and greetings!

I give to you now a lined Infinite Notebook, featuring urple covers and wilver binding. Avert your eyes!

Welcome!

-Aila

*waves back* by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-24 18:50:00 UTC Reply

My eyes! It burns!

But it's cool. I like notebooks.

Greetings and salutations, and thank you for the welcome!

Welcome! by Time Engineer on 2014-03-24 15:49:00 UTC Reply

Hey Snowy,
Welcome to our Noble Ranks.

As a welcome I have a dilithium lightsaber for you.
Use it in good health!

Cool! by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-24 18:48:00 UTC Reply

It's SHINY!

I shall endeavor with projected success to enjoy my time among these Noble Ranks! Many thanks for your welcome!

Welcome on board! by EileenAlphabet on 2014-03-24 14:35:00 UTC Reply

What a fine introduction, you've made for yourself! Have a tiny black hole, a papaya and an amazing idea so you have one in reserve, if you're ever low.

Why Thank You! by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-24 18:44:00 UTC Reply

Is there by any chance a way to control this small black hole? Or perhaps a way to combat the irrepressible urge to hug it?

The papaya and the idea are also very much appreciated. Thank you!

Oh hai thar! by Herr Wozzeck on 2014-03-24 14:32:00 UTC Reply

Welcome to the PPC! We love newbies there, so take your shoes off, leave your sanity at the door, and come on in!

As a welcome gift, I present to you the music of one Harrison Birtwistle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ8cucdjhZk

Thanks! by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-24 18:37:00 UTC Reply

I suppose that means my username doesn't apply, huh? Ah, well, I didn't expect it to. Love the music! Excellent taste, sir! (Unless you're a girl, in which case, Excellent taste, ma'am!)

Well, if I were a girl, it would've been Frau Wozzeck, so... by Herr Wozzeck on 2014-03-25 04:48:00 UTC Reply

Yeah, definitely a dude over here.

But... well, you do have to have some level of insanity around here, so... I dunno.

You're welcome for the music. Actually, I've got plenty more where that came from...

Thought So... by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-25 05:00:00 UTC Reply

Wasn't absolutely sure, though.

Insanity is always fun, and pretty necessary from what I've seen, but it does have to be tempered with some sense. In my (admittedly limited) experience, a bit of sanity is needed for correct spelling and grammar.

Hm... that's actually pretty true... (nm) by Herr Wozzeck on 2014-03-25 15:34:00 UTC Reply

Warm hugs (nm) by Seychelles on 2014-03-24 04:30:00 UTC Reply

Thank You! by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-24 05:35:00 UTC Reply

Hugs back!

Welcome! by son_of_heaven176 on 2014-03-24 04:29:00 UTC Reply

Wow...that was quite a story. Well, welcome to the PPC! You've already explained how you got here, you obviously have read the Original Series, and you've explained your fandoms, so one last question: Have you read the PPC Consitution?

As you might know already, it is PPC tradition to give virtual gifts to newbies. So...have a snowglobe with a replica of your favorite fictional locale inside!

I hope that you enjoy the craziness that is the PPC!

Yup! by Snowy the Sane Fangirl on 2014-03-24 05:33:00 UTC Reply

I have read the Constitution. Should have thought to mention that, sorry. Thanks for the welcome!

Oooh... Lothlórien! Thank you!

Oh, I definitely will enjoy it. Definitely.