Subject: On Point Two:
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Posted on: 2014-01-03 17:07:00 UTC
It's not and never has been bestiality. Whether or not you believe Hobbes to be a real tiger, he's anthropomorphised to the point where he ceases to become a feral beast. It's nothing but bad furry slash, and we shouldn't hate on people for that.
We should hate on the fic for being an appallingly written pile of weasel shit instead. Much safer.
Two badfics for you today.
First, in the Calvin & Hobbes fandom, we have a T-rated that should really be M. Simply called "Calvin&Hobbes", it is a slash fic, with an older Calvin wanting to mate with the aforementioned tiger. Ugh. Interspecies mating. Oh, and it makes no sense.
www.fanfiction.net/s/9965167/1/
And in Harry Potter, one that may have popped up before. It looks pretty famous, and is called HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. It's also known as 30 H's. Well, it really makes no sense. It's pure, unadulterated crackfic.
www.fanfiction.net/s/2554200/1/
That's it for now. I must go off and scrub my retinas.
~Kitty
(PS- m=message As opposed to nm)
That Calvin & Hobbes one... While I think that was meant to be a joke, it's still.. uhg. I don't even know how to describe Calvin x Hobbes stuff. I mean, isn't Calvin a bit young in this to be wanting to mate with his friend/ sentient stuffed tiger anyway? Or is that just me?
Aren't Calvin and Hobbes supposed to be best friends? Also, considering that Hobbes is essentially a sapient stuffed toy and Calvin is barely in his teens in this fic... ugh.
This author has a thing about werewolves--including a series involving The Hobbit. Never heard of Carcharoth, I guess.
doctorlit already claimed 30 Hs, back in 2012.
Thirty H's is a terrible crackfic, yes. It's the Harry Potter equivalent of the final few episodes of Gurren Lagann but without any of the charm, wit, or brainpower.
However, Calvin&Hobbes... well, it's atrociously written slash, that's not in dispute, but I don't think an organization whose members fixate on elves can complain about interspecies romance. Hell, Arwen and Aragorn's is an interspecies romance. Sort of. Ish.
One, I'm not so sure the PPC has a fixation on elves... that's Ispace.
Two, that's bestiality, which is squick for most people, unlike romance between humanoids.
It's not and never has been bestiality. Whether or not you believe Hobbes to be a real tiger, he's anthropomorphised to the point where he ceases to become a feral beast. It's nothing but bad furry slash, and we shouldn't hate on people for that.
We should hate on the fic for being an appallingly written pile of weasel shit instead. Much safer.
I think you may be right about that - though it does raise the question, when kinks are involved, are any of them chargeable? You seem to implicitly agree that there would be something chargeable about a bestiality fic (please correct me if I'm wrong), but there's a lot of people who find furryism (furrying? furrification? Is there a noun for this?) disgusting, too*. So where do we put that line? I suspect it's usually around the legal/illegal mark - but that would mean that a few decades ago, we would have been charging for 'homosexual intercourse'.
Thinking about it, it may come down to a consent issue. If a living (or psuedo-living, to cover robots and the like) is the subject of sexual activity, without giving or being able to give consent, that's wrong, and therefore a charge. If both (beg pardon, all) participants are properly consenting - then the mere fact of the relationship isn't a charge. The specifics - such as the characters in question - still can be.
But then we run into the situation that we might be charging something if it's one character doing it, and saying it's okay for the next - purely because one is known to do it, and the other isn't, even if it's otherwise in-character...
hS
*Note that this is not a statement on my feelings, positive, negative, or tangerine-flavoured.
Personally, I'd leave it up to the PPC author to decide where the line was, both for themselves and their characters. All I'd ask in return is that they remember the wiki's guidelines regarding YKINMK and have some authorial detachment.
Fics don't hurt us. Fics can't hurt us. They're just sort of... there, like static interfering with your favourite song on the radio for a moment. Even the worst excesses of bad slash are just bad writing, and while I don't think kink really should be a factor in deciding what constitutes a charge (hell, dubcon's a thing, though one I urge you not to Google), I recognise and respect that other people may not feel that way.
That all said, there is such a thing as badly-written kink. SSC's a fairly common term in the scene, and for those that aren't familiar with it, it means safe, sane, and consensual. Kink that does not conform to these within reasonable boundaries? 'S'a charge for me. Maybe not for you though, and that's okay too.
Different strokes, and so forth.
--parp
... I'm pretty sure there's a comment by Tolkien somewhere that elves must be biologically human, what with the whole interbreeding lark.
hS
...but come on. They're human and tiger. And best friends.