Subject: Re: Well...
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Posted on: 2015-07-18 17:02:00 UTC
My only issue with the methods page is people putting mundane things on it. There doesn't need to be a whole big "whoo let's vote to see if this makes it on" stink every time someone wants to add. All they gotta ask themselves is, "Is this mundane?" and if the answer is no, add away.
*claps hands*
Can I get your attention, please?
A community decision is required about the nature of the Assassination Methods page in the wiki.
There was a... disagreement as to whether some assassination methods should be on the page or not. What we need is a clear guideline for adding methods to the page. I propose the following:
What we want here is things like:
-'stabs of fear and jealousy' used to impale a Sue
-Sue being portal'ed to a ship before it gets blown up by giant magical lasers
-Drinking from a false Grail
In other words,
-special stuff;
-ironic stuff (being fed to the mini the Sue used as a shoe, the Sues being tarred and feathered and given to the mob after proclaiming that they're pirates);
-TOS stuff;
-rare things (being fed to Fenrir Greyback).
What we don't want is the everyday, banal methods: pointy objects, guns, pushing Sues off tall places, snapping their necks, etc. Furthermore, we do not want countless entries of the same methods — we want the notable ones.
Is this a good guideline? Are there better ones? What should we do with the page?
It seems like nobody is going to voice any new opinions. So, what now? A vote? A discussion of what opinions that were already voice? Something else?
My only issue with the methods page is people putting mundane things on it. There doesn't need to be a whole big "whoo let's vote to see if this makes it on" stink every time someone wants to add. All they gotta ask themselves is, "Is this mundane?" and if the answer is no, add away.
A vote on which method, if any, we should adapt, not a vote on every single entry in the page.
We've got about three opinions, right?
1. The page is for notable kills - let's use criteria to limit what goes on the page.
2. The page is for information - criteria are good, but let's include unique data so the page is a useful resource.
3. The page is for fun - let people add whatever they want to.
Did I miss any?
~Neshomeh
Just a regular disagreement, really.
But, anyway. I'm of the opinion that a wiki is for information, so the page should be a catalog of assassination methods, as complete as we can be bothered to make it. That way people can look up what's been done before and/or use it to go browsing for ideas.
HOWEVER, I'm also of the opinion that really obvious stuff like "the agents shot her in the face" need not necessarily be there, because it's a safe bet the obvious, mundane stuff has been done before. I shouldn't think we really need a wiki to tell us that.
Perhaps as a compromise, one of your criteria could be "first time using a unique canonical feature," which would include stuff like Silenthunder's pushing her off Caradhras (probably; I share DawnFire's skepticism that no one's ever done that before) without the need to add in everyone's bows and swords and whatnot.
~Neshomeh
Honestly, I say just let the page contain whatever people want to add. It's one of the least informational pages on the Wiki: it's just for fun, so let people add their shove-off-mountains and stab-in-faces and shoot-in-foots, if they're proud of them.
Frankly, I think we have enough pages throughout the Wiki that "need" to be maintained as new missions come out, and I don't fancy this one being added to that list. (I didn't even know I had my own assassination on this page until I saw it on there just now.) Let's leave this one as a silly, informal "throw it on, if it please ya" page, and not create a need for regular debates about whether an assassination is or isn't notable.
I agree with the listed terms. Assassinations happen in a majority of missions, and attempting to list every method is simply unfeasible and more hassle than it would ever be worth. If an assassination is listed on the page, it needs to be due to unique circumstances, a notable target, or extraordinary creativity from the agents.
One of "notable" assassination methods (the current page) and a catalog of all assassinations. Briefly described, of course. That way we have a compilation of interesting methods, and a handy reference list that'll give all sorts of cool data, like the most common method of assassination in different continua. It will help keep us original, and think of new ways to assassinate Sues.
That being said, making the new list would be pretty hard. Someone would have to go through all of the missions and record the Sues' demise, and in a certain order. If such a page were made, I would suggest that a post be made asking all authors to make a list of their killed Sues and the ways they died. That would hopefully eliminate a fair share of active Boarders, leaving the inactive and those who simply didn't see the post. Do we have an up-to-date list of all PPCers?
Because if we get rid of the boring and mundane, then it really is not an Assassination Methods Page, it would instead be a Cool and Unusual Method Page. And having a general catalog is not a terrible idea.
I am thinking of it as a kind of record, of all successfully accomplished missions. So something like Name of Sue, Name of Agent, Death by X. Just my two cents.
We already have a list of missions; we don't need another one, for one, and for the other, it's very impractical because someone would have to go through all PPC fiction in existence and categorise their assassinations — that's a lot of work.
I suggest that you arrange the methods of death as I try to show below.
Methods of death:
- Common:
- Impalement (Fic a, Fic b, Fic etc...)
- Heart Attack (Fic a, Fic b, Fic etc...)
- etc (Fic a, Fic b, Fic etc...)
- Ironic:
-Eg: Drinking the wrong Grail (In FATE/The Last Crusader, Sue Indianita Jonahness drank from Fate/Stay Night's Fuyuki Holy Grail instead of the wooden cup from Indiana Jones)
- TOS stuff
-Example a
-(Fic a, Description a)
-Example b
-(Fic b, Description b)
- Rare things
-Example a
-(Fic a, Description a)
-Example b
-(Fic b, Description b)
I hope I can make myself be understood.
Not casting a vote--I'm currently at the point where I'm agreeing with or considering just about every suggestion made so far--but this... I like this. It gives more freedom, it eliminates most of the problems of what should go on here, and, apart from potential misclassification (hey, no system is perfect), it just sounds like fun. And it'd be useful, too, since it would be more complete. Nicely said, dark :)
Again, not casting my vote, but...this one is definitely worth considering.
~DF
You already know my stance on this, I'm just restating it here for everyone else.