Subject: See, I said I was bad at this...
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Posted on: 2015-04-27 15:42:00 UTC

Re. Valentine, the problem is that there's a large trend in film for villains to be assigned traits such as the ones I mentioned. By itself it might not mean anything, but looking at it in the broader context of film and society, it's part of a problem. I hoped the Sissy Villain TV Tropes article would explain this—did you read it?

Re. the church, that scene was really what took me out of the movie, IIRC. I had to stop and ask myself whose side I was supposed to be on. On the one hand, killing people is horrible, and so is forcing people to kill each other; point to the Kingsmen. On the other hand, that church was really horrible, too, and Valentine, it seems, represents the sort of progressive liberal viewpoint I'd normally identify with, sans the whole "kill them all" thing. But Valentine wasn't always a villain... he was pushed over the edge by all the people like those churchfolk who refuse to bloody listen because science is the devil, not to mention corrupt world governments who can't or won't do anything because big business won't let them. Point to Valentine.

So, basically, my main problem is that ideologically/politically, I'm on Valentine's side, and I even sympathize with the frustration that pushed him to his extreme actions—just look at how this very film paints environmentalists as extremist nutjobs and you telling me how silly I am for letting it bother me. That's the kind of bullshit we're up against in the real world, why achieving real, impactful change is like pulling teeth. My only reservation is that I can't support a "kill them all" approach. And then the "good guys" go and do exactly that, too, which leaves me high and dry with no one to root for. {= /

I was trying not to make this about politics, but it is. So there you go, let the mud-slinging commence.

~Neshomeh

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