Subject: Ydersius's half-melted skull, we're being invaded!
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Posted on: 2015-01-16 17:41:00 UTC
I kid, of course. Welcome to the Protectors of the Plot Continuum! Have a +1 shovel.
Subject: Ydersius's half-melted skull, we're being invaded!
Author:
Posted on: 2015-01-16 17:41:00 UTC
I kid, of course. Welcome to the Protectors of the Plot Continuum! Have a +1 shovel.
Hi everyone of the PPC! I have finally work up the courage to post in the board, and I can say I love the place! (Thank then gods that TVTropes brought me here!) I'm a 20-something male from Mexico, I´m currently studying Visual Arts, I would love to become a comic-book writer and illustrator, I have read both the Constitution and The Original Series, and no, English is not my native language, sorry for any weird grammar and syntax.
My favorite fandoms are (oh boy!): The Lord of the Rings and Tolkienverse in general, Frozen, Avatar: The Last Airbender and spin-offs, The Elder Scrolls, Star Wars, The DC Universe, Marvel Universe, and superheroes, sci-fi and fantasy in general, with a little anime/manga mixed in.
I also love to read a lot, play videogames, create OCs and conlags, as well as researching about History and Linguistics for fun. Also I've trying to learn for a while Japanese, Sindarin, Ancient Greek and Latin.
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WAITAMINUTE! If the kitten is insubstantial; how're you holding it? O,O
Hello it's lovely to meet you. For your gift I will give you an urple sword
*takes a long gaze to the weirdly colored blade in hand* Uhm... thanks... *makes a psychotic smile* I'll probably color it glittery red later, if you know what I mean...*puts the sword inside the Generic Bottomless Bag of Holding*
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I'm not sure if this thread would be the most correct one to make some questions to those who are better versed than me in the Tolkienverse, but here goes:
How much of a breach in canon would be a reddish-blonde-haired, green-eyed elf? Could be justified? And if is a big breach and cannot be justified; how can the character be twisted to conform to canon?
Red hair does turn up rarely, at least among the Noldor—three of Fëanor's children were redheads or auburn-haired, so it could crop up in others of his line. Blonde hair was common among the Vanyar, and may appear in elves of partially Vanyarin descent, such as Galadriel.
Reddish-blonde (strawberry blonde?) is another matter, but I'd say it's not entirely impossible with the right genetic background assuming elven genetics work the same way as human genetics.
~Neshomeh
And thanks for the welcome too!
Now back to the matter of the OC in construction; the that was given following the same logic of human-like genetics for elves, and cross-referencing it with the green eyes genetic distribution for Real World humans; I gotta say that the OC would need to have a very, very tangled family tree, requiring Noldorin, Sindarin, and Silvan/Avarin ancestors, making the OC in question quite likely one random subject of Lord Thranduil of Northern Mirkwood, for the Third Age timeline required for the proyected fic.
Now, why would one of the elves of Mirkwood make all the journey past the Misty Mountains and into Eriador, is an entirelly different matter that myself would have to deal with.
I can't recall any elves with green eyes at all, and if there aren't any, it would be impossible regardless of the OC's background. However, Huinesoron is our resident Tolkien obscurities expert, so he might be able to set us both straight on that score. {= ) He tends to be absent over the weekends, though, so we might have to wait until Monday.
~Neshomeh
Eye colour... actually, green is more feasible than you might think! Virtually all elves with defined eye colour have grey, of course. A handful have blue (notably, in one instance, Olwe king of Alqualonde), but it's pretty much grey throughout. The only green-eyed character I know of in the Legendarium is Gollum. ;)
But... what colour is that 'grey'? In several instances, it's sea-grey, and to my mind, that speaks more of a washed-out (ha ha) green than of pale blue. So you could definitely argue for a 'sea-green'-eyed elf, of any kindred. You'd have a hard time pushing for 'grass-green', though.
Hair colour is... heh. As Nesh said, the only red-haired house is that of Mahtan, and through his daughter some of House Feanor. But that's fine, we don't know where Mahtan got his colouration from, he could have relatives dotted around all over the place. But aside from that... hair colour among the Eldar seems to be metaphysically linked to their attributes. Mahtan the smith has fiery red hair; three of his grandchildren share it, of which two (Maedhros and Amrod) died in fire; in fact, their whole house has a fire link. Similarly, the 'holy' Vanyar are blonde, with that light-connection; Elu Thingol, the king of the starlight, has silver hair; Thranduil is a gold-crowned king. Etc etc etc. So, annoyingly, in Middle-earth, the cliche 'fiery redhead' might actually make sense.
Coming back to the eyes: I'd trust the Nandor about the sons of Dior, since they've got a long tradition of accurately transmitting spoken history. But I don't think it'd help. Beren had blue-grey eyes and somewhat fair hair (due to looking exactly like Tolkien), Luthien had black hair and grey eyes (of course); Beren descended from both House Beor and House Hador, but all known descriptions give them grey and blue eyes respectively, and dark and blond hair.
There just... aren't any green or brown eyes among the Quendi or the Edain. Everyone who reached Beleriand had grey or blue eyes, despite those both being recessive. For brown (and therefore 'grass-green' and related colours), you'd have to look at the races of Men who spread south from Hildorien rather than west, or who stayed put: the Varags of Khand, the Haradrim, the Easterlings and the like.
(There are two exceptions to my blanket statements above, and they're both hilarious:
1/ The Hobbits seem to have been of 'eastern' stock, making them browner than the Edain, and probably brown-eyed. Apparently they fled the East around the beginning of the Third Age - probably when Sauron's spirit fled from the Last Alliance in defeat and set up a long way to the east.
2/ The Druedain/Wild Men/Woses had, apparently, glowing red eyes. They're the only non-blue-grey race who reached Beleriand - oh, except for Ents, who had brown/gold eyes. I don't think that's helpful, though)
So, uh... are you trying to make a red/green OC (and if so, why?), or to justify one, or to denounce one? It's kind of hard to tell.
hS
PS: Darn, now I'm going to end up analysing why there are so many varieties of short people in Arda. Hobbits, Dwarves, Petty-dwarves, Druedain...
This is exactly the information I was looking for!!! Thank you very much! It actually simplifies my work, because allows me to get rid of the convoluted family tree and remove the OC from the House of Thingol, reducing speshulness levels.
Regarding the eye-color, I don't care about the particular shade of green, as long is a shade of green; had it been impossible, I could have used gray or light blue, which aren't unheard of with this particular OC archetype. Also, I got to same shade of green with the character creation of LOTRO. Same with the hair color.
And the idea that the hair color is metaphysically linked to the atttributes of the character just gives me more options to torture and humilliate the OC exploiting its flaws.
Finally, about the last sentence; I'm trying to make and justify and red-haired/green-eyed OC. Why? Well that's a complicated question. My answer would be, that those characteristics are due to the derivation from one of the three OC archetypes that I use, this specific one usually used for protagonists. This starting archetype, is a female with strawberry-blonde hair and heterochromia (one eye blue the other green), this archetype is nothing but a clean slate that then I twist and change until it comforms to the canon and/or other specific needs for the character, and then I give a personality, derived from the keywords "creativity", "ingenuity" and/or "imagination". Trust me, this can get to many wildly different personalities, and different ways to exploit the flaws derived from them. I hope that answers your question.
Maeglin, for one—he's a mix of Vanyarin, Noldorin, and Telerin blood, but he's described as resembling the Noldor most. What exactly "dark" means is open to debate. I figure brown is most likely, but elsewhere Tolkien uses dark to mean black, so I dunno.
~Neshomeh
Yeah, probably as an elf would impossible, but there's a possible workaround, if the green eyes were to be considered a Edain-only characteristic; the OC could be Half-Elven, a faaaar descendant of Eluréd or Elurín, since no one knows what happened to the twins; but Nandor tradition sustains (according to the Quenta Silmarillion) that they survived "led to the safety of the woodlands by birds and beasts".
Yes, I'm aware of the implications, I don't like them much either, I will have to look for other ways to crush the Sue-ness before it gets worst.
I meant to say that in my previous message and forgot. Sorry. I'm not usually part of the welcome wagon. I'm old as the hills in Internet-time, and there are just so gosh-darn many of you young whippersnappers lately! ^_^;
~Neshomeh
Since Tauriel is a filthy ginger redheaded elf. I'm... not sure about the canonicity of it, though; she might just be Peter Jackson's OC that got lost. Sorry if this doesn't help, but it's something to consider. =]
I kid, of course. Welcome to the Protectors of the Plot Continuum! Have a +1 shovel.
By the Nine, Odin and Freyja! A shovel that gives +1 to all stats! *puts it in the Generic Bottomless Bag of Holding*
In DnD/Pathfinder, a +1 weapon adds 1 to roll-to-hit and damage.
Please take this ur-- Uh, no, wait, that one's different.
Here, take this bottle of wilver-flavoured soda. Yes, flavoured. I'm sure it's gonna be surprisingly delicious... Right?
Although I'm sure it quite is delicious, my character just got out of a Mary Sue Recovery Program, I don't think is a good idea for her to consume products that may contain glitter...
... Oops. I thought it was glitter-free. Sorry.
*searches through his Bag*
Here, have a hammerspace chest. It's shaped like an Ender Chest from Minecraft. I wanted to keep it for my character, but...
... Wait, there was a hammerspace chest inside my hammerspace bag? And it didn't break the universe? Wow.
Have some pokes, and a supernaturally stealthy kitten.
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Hope you like it here! :D
Don't worry the janitorial staff about it, I disposed of my sanity two and a half years ago, when I started college; is pretty much needed for Arts to be insane.
And thnaks for for the welcome... And the reindeer. *plops the reindeer in the Generic Bottomless Bag of Holding*
Have one of my own shed feathers, a Fire Ferret with a gildver collar, and a scientifically accurate Rhamphorynchus!
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