Subject: Have we actually tried refusing to engage on the topic?
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Posted on: 2016-04-20 01:50:00 UTC
This seems a little fast to me. I don't know Data Junkie well, but do you know for sure that taking a break from discussion wouldn't lead to either them taking back what they've said, or reformulating their concerns in a way that's more useful and less trollish?
I see anger, stress, and reasons to lash out. Hopefully you'll feel better soon.
I wasn't coming back either, but I have to say something in response to this.
I'm fairly sure I know how you feel. I know I felt like I was stepping on people's toes every which way. But I don't think you leaving will make anyone who knows you happier.
I doubt anybody noticed me vanishing, but for me, seeing you go is as much of a shock as if hS were to declare he was leaving. You're part of what made this community a happy place for me.
In the end, nothing I say can change your mind, so I'll just say this:
Whatever you do now, if you approach it like you have your writing here, will be amazing. Farewell, and good luck.
.
.
.
*a tear wells up in the corner of my eye*
I don't think any of this was your fault. I... thank you for everything, even though I haven't been active.
I hope you don't mind if I send you an email sometime. I know I was never the most active of people, but you've been a good friend.
Good luck, Big Sib.
While I would hate for you to think July's behavior is your fault (Considering no less than six other people have left as a direct result of her actions in the past) at the same time, this place is incredibly toxic at its core so I can't blame you for wanting to leave.
There is History here. What it really boils down to, though, is July is a bully and excellent at gaslighting and playing the victim. I figured she'd maybe calmed down a bit since most of her old targets left and she didn't actively engage me anymore, but I figure if she's gonna start up with old behaviors, why shouldn't I? (Before someone says that I should be the bigger person, nah. I'm all about that petty lifestyle.)
If you are referring to this + previous behavior on my end, I have Problems with how a lot of things are handled around here, and I enjoy agitating for change.
Not in this thread, but in one of its own. Start a thread outlining what problems you see and what you'd like to be done, and we can all have a calm, mature discussion about it.
There was this.
That's an interesting read, though long settled of course. However, he seemed like he had issues with the PPC other than just the permission process, hence me making that invite to start a discussion. I felt it might be better to broach the subject that way than to keep derailing this into the "Data hates July/possibly the PPC" show.
*resumes lurking*
I guess I can. Be probably a better idea than replying to Hardic's post a few threads down. As for the "possibly the PPC" part, I don't hate the PPC I just have some issues with how it is run currently and the general attitudes towards certain things, but I have difficulty putting it into words all at once so I mostly call things out as I see fit.
Hating the PPC would mean I hate the people here, and honestly I'm pretty cool with most of the ones I know. Slightly frustrated because we have a few newbies who assume they know PPC history better than someone who has been here for more than six years, but, y'know, that's always been the case.
Jacer was permanently banned and had their IP blocked, by me. Y'know, for the record.
hS
It's hard to tell because it's so long, but one new topic is gonna push this one off. Just so you know.
~Neshomeh at work.
I'll do what's been done with the Pokemon tourney threads and just repost the thread when it falls off.
After reviewing both the current evidence and Data's past actions more thoroughly, I will support a 12 month ban.
The more I read about this case, the more I realize that I don't know enough about Data Junkie and their past behavior to understand what would work best to resolve this conflict.
--Key
I still don't know how to embed images here.
Yeah, that's how I feel, and I noticed this about 2/3 through the original drama.
But surely isn't the entire point of abstaining to not want your vote counted in any way shape or form in the current poll? And not to have it included under one of the categories anyway. I think it would be a fairer statement that the total is still at 28, with 14 for the ban, 9 against and 5 abstentions (can Data Junkie really vote on a matter specifically involving him? I didn't think so).
If people want the vote to stay open, someone else can keep the tally, and someone else can close it when they think it's done. I've done the best I could; now I'm just worn out.
I'll keep thwacking Toroll over the head if it shows up again, though.
hS
Even taking into account the things I've said, even if you don't include the people who have abstained there still isn't enough of a majority to give the ban. I don't want the vote to stay open, I'm merely wondering why you are putting people in a category they don't necessarily want to be put into.
I'm sorry for being a pain, but I felt like it had to be said.
I'm sorry for bringing it up at a time where you obviously don't want to talk about it further. I should of seen the signs and in my own bullheadedness I ignored them and tried to get the answers I wanted. I'm sorry.
Storme Hawk
It's obvious at this point that there isn't enough support for a ban. 3/5 of the Board have responded, and the votes are split 50:50.
So there you go. Voting's over, do whatever.
hS
Jacer was before my time here, so it's interesting to actually read verbatim what she said.
Apologies that this doesn't exactly fit with the discussion, I just wanted to thank you for enlightening me with the knowledge that this archive exists.
... I think some of the hits might be Delta Juliette on admin duty editing posts. The IPs don't match hers, but I think that's the right approximate part of the world for her, and some of the posts I deleted make more sense if you assume they were Nameless Adminned.
hS, not too good at the 'Nameless' part right now
The one re-titled "I continue to troll", and the one in which they said things about they/them pronouns. That would have come from a work exit ip, which I believe resolve by geoIP to Seattle or Portland. My posts last night came from my home box, which is a different provider (and this is my phone, which is yet another.)
"I'll disconnect myself from the ...ers who motivated this in the first place"? Because it doesn't look like disconnecting to me.
I'll say again what I said the last time we chatted: forget this community and take care of yourself.
—doctorlit has been worried about you, for the record
All their posts are gone, but your reply sounds like they gave an explanation of some kind?
They were gloating about how they used this vote to spread discord and hoped that Data would be accused, blah blah, I'm a supah speshul complotah, blah blah.
You would swear that was a glitterbag saying this.
I was asking Doctorlit specifically about the bit they were quoting and responding to.
...that doc knows or suspects who Toroll is, and is referring to a private conversation between them.
I kind of figured it would leave a [Deleted message] stub. How odd.
hS
I feel like we're all mature enough to deal with Data Junkie's behaviour rationally. I agree that a permaban should not be an option, but I don't think that potentially removing from the Board someone who's dragging up bad memories for several people is a bad precedent.
Also: welcome back!
I don't think that people are currently behaving rationally enough to have that discussion - it should be had, and I do think that dredging up old drama is potentially ban-worthy, but I think everyone could use a weekend before we dive into it.
Also: Thanks!
But I'm not sure that you can make that call for other people. I like to think I'm being rational; I haven't seen anyone flaming in the voting section of this thread, and I trust members of this community to know whether they're capable of delivering a reasoned judgement.
I don't think we should abandon this vote. Deferring the end of the vote so that people have a chance to change their mind before it counts, I could possibly get behind. But I don't think it's necessary.
This was supposed to be in response to this post:
http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=199610;article=295295;title=PPC%20Posting%20Board
I was sort of curious what was said in the post he was responding to, but I suppose that might be moot now. If doc is inclined to share that's his call of course, be it here or I can always email him.
I was here, and I didn't see anything else from the troll. *shrugs*
I know I just said I was abstaining from voting before, but . . . Juliette is right. There should be no vote right now. Not only has too much anger been going down lately, but Torollémon has added too much confusion to the mix. We all need to slow down and put things off until we've all calmed. A more civilized thread will give the troll fewer opportunities to take advantage of our feelings, as well.
—doctorlit
Or rather, my non-vote: I'm abstaining. If something changes my mind about that, I'll post--and you'll know it's me by the IP and the probable longwindedness--but so far nothing has. And there I'm leaving it, primarily because I'm tired and on mobile and you most likely don't actually need it.
~DF
Now the glitterbags and their Z-rated plots are coming directly to this Board rather than staying in their badfic. Fortunately, this is PPC, a madhouse filled to the brim with people expert in deling with that matter...
For someone who thinks so highly of her manipulation skills, your master plan fell to pieces surprisingly quickly. Maybe you aren't as smart as you think you are.
...
Actually, you're definitely not as smart as you think you are. I mean, you're trolling. Honestly.
Your style of writing seems familiar, but I can't place it. In any case, I'm confused: did you expect me to call out the discrepancy only because of my post further up on the page, or because we've interacted before?
-Alleb
So the opposite to what I was thinking. Interesting, interesting indeed.
You're like, the worst gorram supervillain ever. I wouldn't even call you that but you monologue, posture, and preen like one. Only your plans are drek. Look, if the PPC were that easy to break up, it would have happened long ago just from sheer force of the amount of arguments that happened. If you have been around as long as you seem to have been, surely you'd remember that.
(Also, PS your Homestuck reference was stupid.)
Her master plan would have lasted only 40 minutes longer if Phobos hadn't caught her. I noticed the discrepancy in Alleb's IP address at that time, and I would have brought it up.
So, yeah. Boring unoriginal troll is stupid and not worth talking about.
(Though I'd also like an answer to your question)
Turns out I gave her too much credit, too. I guess people who hate will never understand this community.
Whoever said they were a she?
Way down near the bottom in a post that should probably be deleted before Nesh sees it. I'd link it, but I don't remember how. HTML is a pain.
Oops
That this is a former Boarder who was kicked out for be an enormous drama-llama and attacking the people he had asked to beta for him, then returned a couple of months later with a post where he wowed to destroy us all. But unless I'm really mistaken that was a guy.
Also, I highly doubt Ammo Guy would be able to work TOR to this degree.
And informed us at length about how he was going to be the next Tim Schafer and make us all very, very sorry we'd been mean to him.
This was met with exactly the reaction you'd expect.
..that it's Jacer, the big bad herself. Though I also considered zdimensia. I mean, it's clearly someone who hates us, and a former Boarder. And zdimensia threatened vengeance on us just as much as Ammo Guy did.
Eh, why am I even still discussing the lame troll? Who knows? :-(
It's clearly Dr. Doom, come to wreak vengeance on the Nameless Admin for her terrible defeat in issue #43 of Brilliant Board Comics.
Again I post a moment too late!
We won't. We're better than that. :-)
...the last month.
Just, you know. In the interest of clarity and stuff.
~DF
I'm not sure if a year is too long, but I think it should be a period that can be described as 'long enough'
...here. And I seem to remember zdimensia being banned for six months or a year or something? So one of those.
Then she came back under an alias and was banned permanently as consequence, IIRC.
Trainwreck syndrome here. Why do you think this was the thread I came out of exile for?
The Nameless Admin said she was banned until August, and that this was done in the previous year. That means the ban was at least eight months, so I'm guessing it was a full year.
hS
You're okay with this, then? Do you, personally, agree with what that says about me and hS now? I need to know.
~Neshomeh
Basically, as far as I see it — this isn't "person said something mean — Permaban"; in that case, we shoud have proposed to ban July. What we have here is "person tried to use an incident to bash someone they have bad blood with, replied rudely to other people, and said they'll do so in the future", which is a different horse entirely.
I see it as "one person saw someone saying something mean, and took the opportunity to point out that they saw this as a repeating behavior pattern that went back several years."
I'm honestly mostly typing here just so hS doesn't see another (nm) post from someone who hasn't shown up in this thread yet and think the identity thief guy found another way in. But yeah, I think a ban of some kind is probably necessary.
Data Junkie's been fighting with... I don't know how many people anymore. For days. They've had plenty of chances to stop, been called out many times, and... I can't see how this *isn't* bad for the community as a whole.
I don't know. I just don't know. It seems like everything has gone wrong, all at once.
But I think this would... help. I certainly don't think it would hurt.
As you've proven: more experience and whatnot than me.
Snarky - yes, rakish - absolutely, bash and impudent - sure, malicious - ehh?
And sure, I could vote in favour after what he said to July, and for stirring this whole excrement storm, and how he mocked the Organization itself ("this place is incredibly toxic at its core"), but I do not judge on a base of one event. You know him better than I, hS.
I vote in favor of the ban. Don't think I need to say why.
I didn't realize that there had been an incident before when Data Junkie had been temporarily banned. I think I don't understand this situation well enough and probably should abstain.
Especially now that I'm rereading my own proposal. That would not work.
--Key is still a newbie
Data Junkie hasn't been banned before. They just went away from the Board for a long while, then popped back up, and now we're here.
~Neshomeh
I hate you for making me go through every single post in this thread to check their IPs so I can wipe your trolling from the face of the Board. But I'm doing it.
This has the added advantage(?) of erasing your lying IP addresses. Good fun.
hS
I would just delete them, but there's a chance someone could post from a public wifi spot or something and come off as a false positive. I'd rather have the ability to revert.
hS
Is Toroll an actual person or just what we're calling whomever did this? Just wondering if someone came forwards and said why they were doing all this or whatever while I was sleeping.
I suspect hS is having you on about "beamish." Speaking of the OED, it apparently contained a definition of the word predating Jabberwocky, but it's nothing to do with a historical village. It's simply "beaming, happy, cheerful," from beam + -ish.
~Neshomeh
I may simply be /wrong/, but that's certainly what I was told when I visited the place years back. Probably decades actually...
hS, too old
Though Beamish the village existed long before that, I assume... yeah, I'unno. I'm pretty bad at spotting when I'm being lied to, so.
hS
The word is a portmanteau; the process is a blending. Blending produces portmanteaux; coinage produces neologisms. ;-)
:P
Done my research now. Portmanteaux are only one type of blend word, and based on hS's post, blending is a subset of coinage. I'd say blend words still count as new words.
It's all very complicated.
(Also: squeeeee Edgeworth!)
Electrocute is a combination of electric, and execute?
That's so...
stupid.
This little gem of lighthearted linguistic nitpicking is the real PPC to me. You guys have all brightened my day. ^_^
~Neshomeh
That was part of my intention - even in this mess, we can still learn from each other and have fun. ^_^
Linguistic nitpicking is best nitpicking. Or historical linguistics. Or anything connected to that.
You learn something new every day. Thanks, Matt!
That makes sense. When I checked the Board and people were suddenly referring to the impersonator by a username I found myself wondering.
I am right now. Yesterday I used two different computers. Oh, and my mobile doesn't have data; I use WiFi, so that might result in lots of IP addresses.
--Key doesn't really know how computer stuff works
Just for what it's worth.
Thank you for clarifying.
Doing the cryptograph stuff is all well and good, but if someone were bent on impersonating you couldn't they just copy paste it?
You said everything I wanted to better than I ever could.
You've got my vote for mediator if the Board agrees with your idea.
I don't think that everyone involved in this disagreement was out of line. I do think that if in a week everyone looks over their posts with an eye to figuring out if they were out of line (not if others were out of line), any further discussion will be a lot more civil.
--Key
Do we call this vote off? Recount? Figure out something else?
...to tell the fakers. Particularly now that the real people are noticing. All the (nm) votes, plus "doctorlit". I think we should just keep going.
Namely, someone, maybe multiple someones, is playing shenanigans and pretending to be people in order to influence the vote. Whether it's easy to spot which ones are fake or not, on principle it kind of throws a spanner in the whole thing.
...on whether to restart the vote? Or just wait and see whether hS calls it off? I don't see a point in starting again, since that'd just lead to everyone repeating what they said here anyway.
Not to mention, we have to see what the impersonated people actually choose to vote for - Phobos went with pro-ban, while Cat went with anti-ban, for example.
Originally posted as Alleb: I'm in favor of this. (nm)
Someone has used my name. I never said that, and I'm very angry.
-Alleb
Originally posted as DCCCV: Yes, absolutely (nm)
I have had a bad day already. I am half close to going insane. Can someone give me a good summary to what just happened?
Gadzooks.
...I oppose a permaban unless/until Data either breaks a temporary ban or does something really bad.
I feel it's a good balance between my vote of "no ban" and the fact what I've heard of Data's behaviour really does need to be addressed. It's more of a suspension than an outright ban.
You're the one who convinced me not to jump straight to permaban.
Originally posted as Phobos: I'm with Neshomeh, Data needs to be banned. (nm)
IPs are plainly visible on the Board. Did you really think nobody would notice yours doesn't match his?
So I got curious and checked. Roughly half the votes in favor of the ban do not match the posters. Doctorlit, for example, was not Doc. Most, if not all, of the (nm) votes are frauds.
Most of the IPs are from random locations in Europe. I know for a fact Doc is in AZ, and not... Sweden I think the IP checker said it was.
Of course, American cheese is inedible so
—doctorlit likes sharp cheddar best
Which actually sounds good to me.
--Key also likes sharp cheddar best
I post from no fewer than five different computers. Two at work, two at home, and my phone. Lots of IP addresses.
-Phobos
I'm not worth impersonating, then?
Is that how it is?
My opinion doesn't have enough sway, does it?
That's fine. That's fine.
Just a random stab in the dark admittedly.
I really wouldn't know where to begin on figuring this out, except someone really wants to stack the vote in favour of banning Data - but let's be honest, the case for a ban was already very strong, and this just kind of soiled the whole thing. Whose yes votes do we know for a fact are real? Neshomeh's and Phobos', post-impersonation?
...Hardric's post has his typical grammar problems (due to him being French... I think), and Sergio Turbo's IP at least matches his known location. Plus Storme Hawk. And me.
Well I know I wrote my post. So that's me, Neshomeh, Phobos (post-impersonation), Sergio Turbo, Hardric and Seafarer, or at least all of their IP's seemed to check out.
I wanted to get a headcount of which votes were actually real, just to have it out of the way. Though Seafarer's yes vote seemed to lean more towards a temporary suspension than a permaban.
I can't find it on the Wiki.
...every vote I've seen on the Board has been simple-majority. I don't remember any non-unanimous ban votes, though.
Look at all the (nm) votes. They've all been posted from IP addresses in various parts of Europe, which makes me suspect that someone is using proxy servers. I don't know if it's Data, but if it is, then I'm changing my vote to quickban, because that is just. Not. On.
http://i.imgur.com/8HmDiNu.png?1
Linked because I don't know how to embed images on this format.
Matches what I found well enough, although it's interesting that yours implies it's another Tor exit router as well, something that I either missed or didn't pick up on. Still it was worth a shot.
It could just as easily be someone who wants the ban to happen.
-Phobos
I just looked up the IP the Board assigns my posts when I'm posting on my laptop, and it seems to think I'm posting from just outside Wichita, Kansas. Which I'm most assuredly not.
You see neither 45.47.170.210 nor 2604:6000:e7c2:b500:84b2:ea81:9c71:c7c2 on my posts? Because I do see IPs for almost everyone who posts. I'm getting more and more inclined to chalk this up to the Board being weird and archaic, but then, SOMEONE just tried to impersonate Phobos so I doubt it's all nothing.
I see 2604:6000:e7c2:b500:84b2:ea81:9c71:c7c2 but I didn't think that was a real IP
An IP tracker tells me it's just outside Wichita, as I noted in a previous post. My IP on the Board seems to keep randomly bouncing between this and my actual IP, which I also supplied.
Well, assuming you're in America. The checker I'm using gives Chicago and Herndon, Virginia as options. I think IPv6 is a bit less accurately traceable.
The other guys are on IPv4, and none of them are in Scandinavia (or France, or Hungary, or Romania), according to the IP addresses they've had before.
That was a bit of a jump. Sorry, Data.
I don't know if it's him, I doubt he'd make up a bunch of votes in favour of his own ban, but either the board's IP stuff is weird or someone is pulling shenanigans.
For pretty much exactly the reasons stated by Ekyl, I'd prefer they be given one more shot. I'd much prefer to settle this amicably.
I haven't blipped it because 1) its IP matches one of Badger421's fairly closely, and 2) Badger421 has posted elsewhere in this thread and not commented on this.
hS
I just forgot to confirm it.
Not sure why my IP would be different, though. Maybe it's because I post from my phone?
I only ever post from this phone, but you're quite right, my IP is all over the place. Something to do with timezones, perhaps? My schedule is somewhat unpredictable.
I don't know. Technology is very much not my area of expertise.
Originally posted as doctorlit: I think it's for the best
He's become a major issue ever since he came back.
Ever since hS proposed this earlier, before I left for work, I was planning to sit out on this vote. I swear, this was not me!
—doctorlit is actually extremely angry over this impersonation
We're trying to figure out who exactly is doing this and why. Definitely an awkward situation all round. Sorry it's happened to you, though.
What I think I was trying to get at was that most of the "yes" votes seemed to be from impersonated members. Though maybe my count is off since there seem to be plenty of yes votes from the real posters.
...Is you thought I couldn't tell from context you weren't directing any of that at me. ;)
This really is a mess, though. I mean, seriously, this would've been a pretty straightforwards vote without all these shenanigans.
My reaction was, as I mentioned, knee-jerk. You definitely didn't deserve it, especially since this is a fraud post.
Sorry for my freak-out just above. I saw my name in a place I didn't put it, and I panicked.
—doctorlit has his own knee-jerk reactions
I thought we were friends, and you can't even respect my pronouns. Honestly the vote doesn't bother, since I expected it to basically be one-sided, but that does.
But yes, let's remember Data prefers to be identified with gender neutral pronouns (correct?), even if we are discussing banning them. Most here have held to that, I just thought it worth putting up as a reminder since there was this slip here.
Doc is a great guy, I just got a bit knee-jerky. (Also you are correct.)
For got a "me" in there. The vote doesn't bother me.
In so doing I feel a little divided, because I understand your points, and I also understand Data has had plenty of chances to correct their behaviour - but sees said behaviour as not in need of correcting. You make a very strong case for a ban, but in the event there might be any chance, however slight, for amends to be made and for that step to not be necessary, I'd like us to at least try. Perhaps one last chance to avert this course and settle things amicably, and if they mess this up, they're gone?
Because now it has to actually be said.
Kidding, I believe you. It sounded like your position as stated elsewhere, and the fake votes were all pro-ban.
--Key
Originally posted as Desdendelle: I vote yes as well (nm)
I went to bed two hours before that post. This is very, very worrying.
I don't think I need to give reasons - hS, Hardric and Neshome already said everything that was needed to say.
Though I am rather interested in the faker's motivations...
Neshome may looks like her, but that's still a mini.
Definitely not Neshoyou. *g*
~Neshomeh
Everything under my name in this thread is actually me, for the record. Checking my IP should bear it out, I hope.
Not saying any more tonight. Too angry.
~Neshomeh
Just for the record, I never doubted you were, you know, you. If that helps at all. This whole thing is really weird, hope you're feeling better tomorrow. I've fired you an email just to check up.
Originally posted as Scapegrace: Definitely (nm)
Originally posted as Cat-on-the-Keyboard: This seems like a good idea (nm)
Like real!Phobos said, know your mark. I would never cast such an important vote as this because something "seems like a good idea." I would carefully consider the issue and write at least a few sentences about why I made that decision. I'm wordy.
--Key, who is still thinking it over
Originally posted as Matt Cipher: I agree (nm)
This seems a little fast to me. I don't know Data Junkie well, but do you know for sure that taking a break from discussion wouldn't lead to either them taking back what they've said, or reformulating their concerns in a way that's more useful and less trollish?
I asked in a neutral manner for them to stop, and they responded by throwing a massively painful past event in my face. Not mentioning anything that can in any way upset them has no effect on their willingness to cause pain.
hS
*puts the salute in a nice walnut display case with the other nice salutes*
*takes a photo and sends it to Salute Collectors' Monthly*
*brevity may be the soul of wit but levity is its heart*
A) Definitely not taking back, no. B) Maybe? Who knows! I'm bad with words and tend to speak out of emotion than logic, so until I can get better there, I'm likely to still occasionally make a jerky remark or two if I'm upset because my default setting upset or passionate is "Everyone else has no gorram clue why can't they see things the way I see them" and honestly that's not a very useful setting, though the arguments that have come out of it have occasionally helped in the past in situations outside of the PPC.
Not necessarily a permban. They are going away from their own accord, and... guess that too stern judgement are too easily causing something irreparable.
So 'ban' for now, with letting the possibility for return. Without pardon a community is doomed.
It's perfectly possible to contribute to the PPC without doing missions. Most of the stories I have in the works aren't missions! But I do see most of the points you're making - I suppose I just wanted to head off the potential "if you don't like missions you don't belong in the PPC" argument at the pass. If nobody is saying that, I apologise.
Which I like just as much as missions. It seems to me perfectly possible that someone would want to stick around for the sentient flowers and well-developed OCs from all different canons.
Because let me tell you, July was the one who helped me a few months back when I didn't just step on somebody's toes but I broke their bloody legs. She provided me with all the support I needed, helped me to see that I should let it go and I won't change what happened, and ever since I joined I can't say a bad word about her. Sure, she's snappy sometimes, and definitely agitates easily, but then again who isn't?
What you are doing is not "agitating for change". You're not a bloody revolutionary, who will make a new world out of the old one's ashes. You are rubbing salt on the wounds and helping nobody.
This is the same July that talked me out of suicide twice. However, she's also the person who bullied Bronwyn, Tray Gnome, Digital Socrates and Aster Corbett, among others, until they left the PPC. She's done the same thing in other communities too. Just because someone helps people when they feel like it doesn't mean they don't also have a pattern of lashing out at people over the slightest things. Even some of her own friends and former friends can at least attest to that much.
If you hold a grudge for five years, you have a problem, man. You, not the world.
I believe there are circumstances were it is appropriate to maintain negative feelings towards someone for a very long time, perhaps even until the end of one's life. Without knowing all the facts, maybe this is one of those circumstances. I will agree that five years seems like a long time, but it may be one of those circumstances where it is justified.
Yeah, it's... really not one of those. Don't feed the trolls, lads.
Sorry to butt in, but this whole sorry affair has affected me rather deeply. I can't abide it when my friends fall out, and the only thing worse is watching my friends get pilloried by people who have no business doing so. Yes, July can be prickly and Ix has her own issues. That doesn't give every Tom, Dick and Harry with an axe to grind carte blanche to savage either party's good name.
Yeah. I thought like that at one point too.
Does anyone know how to reboot a Scapegrace?
The only thing I will do is apologise for not using your preferred pronouns (or indeed asking what they were) when talking about you. That was wrong of me and I'm sorry for it; one must, after all, hold to standards of behaviour, regardless of who they're talking to or who is attempting to get a rise out of them.
I'm not saying it to get on anybody, I just wanted to ask both sides in this to back off a bit, because the last thing we need is more people at each other's throats.
All you've done since coming back is try to stir up trouble and harass other Boarders. I urge you to read the Constitution and think really, really hard about how much more of this crap the rest of us are willing to take.
I will tell you one last time. Stop. Bloody. Stirring.
Your behavior disgraces you, and mocks the situation. In fact, that's the the most toxic thing I saw until now. This Board is one of the few nice spots on this Web, please stop these attacks.
I'm leaving for my own reasons. Stop trying to make July look like a villain. Now.
I... sound like a broken record, but i cannot believe this is happening Ix. I would wish to understand why, to know if we could do anything to help.
I meant it yesterday and I still mean it now. I might change my mind in the future but right now, I doubt it.
Only reason I came out of hiding was to tell Data he crossed a line.
(By the way, Data, if you think the community is so toxic, you're more than welcome to leave.)
Well I am glad it's not because of July exploding at you a few threads back. As for me leaving, I prefer to stay and see if I can't be an agent of change.
I mean, really, what's she going to do?
What'll be the outcome if your mission doesn't succeed?
What could she possibly do that we can't just... ignore?
I'll be very surprised if she wages an attack on the board with an army of Uruk-hai, is all I'm saying.
Look "my mission" (assuming you mean my desire for change) and my issues with July are completely separate. I am not even certain I comprehend where the rest of your post came from unless you're reading way too much into my posts and seeing what isn't there.
Is it relating to that toxic core you were going on about earlier?
I can't say your current method seems very constructive, but what do I know?
I haven't been here half as long as you.
A couple of weeks ago? I was trying for the overly complicated, unnecessarily restrictive permission process. I failed there, but I did get some folks to agree with me. Next week, who knows?
The "overly complicated, unnecessarily restrictive" task of, er... writing a short piece of writng to a specific brief. Which any reasonably competent author can bang out nae problemo.
You're trolling at this point. Please stop.
Except when it starts drama.
Might want to put it down to Demi-God, at that point.
Take time to think about it. I guess I'll stop pestering you with that. For now.
Please do not make this the last goodbye.
Like, I know I disappeared for a bit, but I just really didn't see this coming. I mean, if you're set on leaving, I don't know if there's really anything I can say to change your mind. Good luck out there. It won't be the same without you.
I know I very rarely post, but I do an awful lot of lurking and you are wonderful both on the Board and as a writer of missions.
Okay, I admit that you writing faster than I can read sometimes grated on my nerves. You’ve been called out for making the PPC "too dark", there may have been one or two other occasions I don’t remember clearly, and I’m aware that not everything happens on the Board, where I can see it. But this doesn’t outweigh all the good you did here (I don’t need to list this, just look further down). You aren’t a nuisance, you certainly aren’t a bitch, and you will be missed.
HG
So let me just add this:
After five years of watching the Board, the people who have made the biggest impression on me are Huinesoron, Neshomeh, and you. You were the first person to welcome me, you're a wonderful writer, and from everything I've seen, you're a wonderful person too. We won't be better off without you, we'll be sad to see you go. We're a community, and I think it's pretty clear we want you to stay.
I don't know if you'll read any of our messages, but if you do, and you still decide you want to go, then good luck. We'll miss you.
You will always be welcome back here. You are our friend, and we care about you. And you are definitely not a bitch.
—doctorlit is available for talking, if talking is a thing that needs doing!
Then who are we to stop you, right?
Who else deserves control over your decisions other than you?
Not bloody me, that's for certain.
Nobody thinks you're a bitch, and I can guarantee that you're a far better person than you think you are. Everybody is.
Good luck wherever you end up.
Especially saying such lies as "me leaving would make everyone a lot happier"
You may have done mistakes - who doesn't? - but it's the same with everyone of us.
And you surely have contributed to this community way more than any harm you might have caused (which, in fact, I don't think you have)
Like others have said, I don't think you are a nuisance. I admit to having similar feelings sometimes.
You post content. Good content. I think we all appreciate that. Take a minute to look back on everything you have created for the PPC.
If you are feeling down, maybe try going into lurk mode for a while. Check the Board once in a while, skim through the new missions, just try to stay connected. And if you want to become a full time lurker like me, then please take a seat at the Quasi-Not-Real Tea Party.
Every time you've made a post, it's been positive...I don't recall you being involved in any drama...and your missions are genuinely entertaining.
You've tackled some of the worst fics out there, kept the missions funny and worth reading, and have an original, clever story behind your agents.
If you want to leave, okay, that's your choice, but we'll be sad to see you go.
I did not expect Iximaz of all people to say anything like this, and to be honest? Her leaving the community for good would be painful for all of us. And this is coming from someone who had a falling out with her on a personal level a while ago. Regardless of how we feel about each other, though, I love her work, and I look forward to seeing more every time. Her leaving would leave quite a few stories hanging, which means we'll never get to see any closure for her characters. And that's a Very Bad Thing.
Iximaz, you can take a break and lurk at any time. But please come back as soon as possible, and at least think about what you're doing before you unknowingly hurt all of us in the long run.
"Eh, what?" pretty much summed up my reaction to this bolt from the blue. You're one of the most active content posters here at present and have been for quite some time - and I certainly have seen no evidence of your 'being a nuisance'.
Please take some time to think on this, and if you do go, remember you'll be welcome back any time.
Now I have no idea where this notion that you're an awful person came from, but I think you're a great person and a great writer. You accomplished so much and paved the way for those who follow your ambitious path.
I'd rather you not go, but if that is what you wish, I won't protest anymore.
