Subject: Ooh, thanks!
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Posted on: 2015-10-16 01:23:00 UTC
I'm listening to the first now: perfect magical effect! I love all of these. Thank you!
-Alleb
Subject: Ooh, thanks!
Author:
Posted on: 2015-10-16 01:23:00 UTC
I'm listening to the first now: perfect magical effect! I love all of these. Thank you!
-Alleb
Musicland
(1935, dir. Jackson, W.)
I'm looking forward to portraying orchestras: the entire U.S. military is just one enormous orchestras, and the police forces are smaller ones. I think it'll create a really interesting mentality.
Anyway, thanks again; these will definitely help me out!
-Alleb
It's usually more like "Anything one violin can do, the rest of the section bitches about how they could have done it better" :-P
There tends to be a certain... rivalry amongst (especially first) violins, all wanting to be closest to the front, and especially to be the lead violin (who gets a nifty name: concertmaster, at least in most places in the world; I believe the UK just uses "leader").
Elcalion, who actually is the concertmaster of one orchestra. And therefore above such factional pettiness, of course
You're a concertmaster? Awesome!
-Alleb
Thanks for your contribution. I was shooting for a description of how the instruments themselves work, so thank you for giving some elaboration on what the people playing the instruments do. Violinist sectional rivalries would be an interesting addition to the story.
Thanks! That sounds complicated, but very interesting. I'll look into it!
-Alleb
Yeah, it's rather complex. But looking on the bright side, with so many different elements required to play it, and thus to cast the spell, it could be quite versatile and/or cast some powerful spells. I don't have any idea of what kind of magic to assign to it, so that's up to you.
I really want to post an image of it so that you can see what it looks like, but I don't know how to do that. Can someone teach me, please?
You simply copy the image url by right clicking the picture you want. Sometimes the Board doesn't like certain pictures; I'm not entirely sure why, which is why I preview before posting.
Is this what you mean?
That's rather simple. I don't know why I didn't think of doing that.
And yeah, that's exactly it. That's the exact picture I was trying to post, in fact.
They are used in several musical productions, after all.
And a classical instrument, too; Tchaikovsky used them in the 1812 Overture.
In a sense, yes: the same way that a triangle is an instrument, or castanets. They can't carry a tune on their own, but if the beats are timed correctly they add power to the other instruments in a group. Drums are like that to some extent as well.
-Alleb
Steel drumming is different. Very, very different. And also probably looked down on by the music magic old guard because it's both new AND from a non-white culture! (Classical musicians can get very prissy about stuff like that, or at least the ones my sister hung out with could)
I'm not sure how many classical musicians will be involved, since the book centers around teenagers at Ye Average Highe Schoole, but I'll keep that in mind.
-Alleb
Therefore, you could definitely drop references to how synths and stuff aren't seen as "real" instruments and are just a bunch of computer nerds pretending to do mental magic. Which would be interesting, especially since beats producers can be fantastically wealthy these days. Maybe they're expertly suited to mind magic, and it started with a wizard messing around with a theremin only to find that her housekeeper was attempting to tap-dance on the cat. You could cram in a lot of sci-fi themes and references with that, too. =]
Like, people will accept cannons as part of magic, but synthesizers and keyboards and all that? Pfeh. They've just made that up.
Drum machines are a bit of a weird case, but theremins and keyboards and the like do generate their own sounds rather than pull them from a library. The individual voices on a keyboard are preprogrammed, but it's all modulated by the press of the key. It's easy to draw a parallel between natural and electronic music and human and AI relations... hell, you could even have a background event be the first performance of an AI-composed symphony spell.
I also hadn't thought about leaving off a song and then completing it later: that's a really interesting mechanic, and it could save a lot of time on the battlefield. For instance, a band could play most of Totentanz, and then finish it quickly if someone dies. I'd been trying to think of how to blend combat with songs up to 14 minutes long, and I think that might be the solution. Thanks!
-Alleb
I love these! The Pink Panther one also opens up an interesting question: if precious stones could be made on a whim (once this song was composed, of course) what else could be created, and how would that effect the economy? Furthermore, what if such songs were closely guarded secrets? I love questions like that. Thank you!
-Alleb
Well, there are probably limits. I'd say that it takes a lot of power and some really good musicians to actually make jewelry-class gems- anyone else would end up with industrial stones, quartz crystals, and other such things.
Also, if they wanted to keep it secret, they probably shouldn't have made it so catchy.
Wagner's Ring cycle has the Magic Fire Music and the theme music for the Rhine river (which floods the stage at the end of the 16 hour opera cycle!), plus the opening of Die Walkure has some fairly epic storm music.
Minimalist music like Phillip Glass might slow time?
Storms are always good as well. Thanks!
You've also inadvertently deepened the magic (always a good thing): how are targets determined? How do you slow time for everyone else but not you? Very good questions, exactly the sort of thing I need to flesh out the system more. Thanks once more!
-Alleb
I'm listening to the first now: perfect magical effect! I love all of these. Thank you!
-Alleb
I like the idea of it calling on nature spirits to affect things. Have another article, this time about khoomei, the Tuvan style of throat singing; the concept of kamlamie is really interesting for your setting, because it implies that when a Tuvan throat singer uses their magic to power a long song, it has to work through their body and affect the target indirectly. In short, it's about the use of the self in order to further collective good. Something to consider. =]
Each part is working with the other parts to accomplish the goal. I'll definitely think about it; thanks!
By the way, where do you find all of these neat-o things?
-Alleb
You pick stuff up while researching and think "Hm, that's cool", and file it away. Then it is suddenly useful. =]
I've never played the Civilization games. What does moding (modding? To mod? Being a mod?) entail?
-Alleb
Modding a game means modifying its content; adding things, fixing balance issues, stuff like that. For Civ 5, I work on adding in new Civilizations to play as. The most recent release that I've worked on is Danmacsch's Kingdom of Araucania and Patagonia, which is pretty fun! =]
I think a lot of Disturbed music would have a similar effect, due to shared themes.
Warrior, Indestructible, Ten Thousand Fists, This Moment, I'm Alive, Immortalized, they're all about saying "I'm a badass, and there's nothing you can do to change that." I imagine that those are songs that boost strength or something.
(Was that a pun? I think it's a pun) Nothing like some battle music to energize the group before a big face-off. Thanks!
-Alleb
I think, rather like the ocarina, it's underestimated. It's not the most powerful instrument, but it's fairly strong when it comes to mind magics, hypnosis in particular. It's also, obviously, smaller and easier to manage than most instruments. What do you think?
Thanks for the rundown, particularly with the blisters and callouses!
-Alleb
Please accept this handy-dandy article on Akan drums and healing traditions.
My best friend in high school once said that someone playing guitar can draw people to him/her from across a room. That sounds (pun intended) like something it'd be easy to add magical effects to. Maybe a Pied Piper gag?
Guitars are pretty versatile, so the mind magic involved would be no problem. Thanks!
-Alleb
The making it sing and the 'tuned' comments. I'd just like to add that some pianos lack the sostenuto pedal (the one I played on, for example).
They're percussion instruments, not precussion. Some people also classify it as a stringed instrument, but eh. YMMV.
Also, your villain.
I have seen true perfection-- I may now die in peace. Bless you.
Hmm. I wonder if my villain should wield bagpipes...
-Alleb
That bagpipes are kind of like a Dangerous Forbidden Technique; immensely destructive when used properly, but liable to rip your insides out through your nostrils even if everything goes right. =]
What other things... hm. I like the mental image of a group of battle didgeridoos, and battle didgeridoos is very fun to say, so chuck that in. There's also stuff like the hyperbass flute, the fluba, and my personal favourite, the pyrophone, also known as the EXPLOSION ORGAN.
The Explosion Organ is, by the way, simultaneously one of the worst and best names for your genitals in human history. =]
You need uilleann pipes, which are entirely different; you can find a fine example of an uilleann piper here.
Sounds nice, too; I hadn't heard of them before. Thanks!
This, of course, is her villain.
The Symphony Master.
My cello is currently four hours' drive away, so I obviously don't play much anymore.
Except maybe violas. Uptight, certainly, but why would anyone actually want to play the viola? (Except maybe the vertical viola. Those things are cool.)
Actually, I'm mainly a violinist, but I do play viola for chamber music. Orchestral viola can be pretty excruciatingly boring.
I can't find a good video now, because phone, but the vertical viola is a larger-bodied viola that is played like a cello - it has a tailpin and is stood up vertically. Because it's significantly larger than a normal viola, it has a richer tone, more like a high cello than a low violin.
Well... voice can do anything. I've heard songs that make me cry, songs that just completely unnerve me, songs that just have a feel-good vibe to them, songs that just get my blood pumping.
I imagine that vocals, if used, would be a very versatile form of magic, if not as strong for lack of specialization.
t's basically that an F on the horn is equal to a C on the piano
Sorry, but you have it backwards: A C on the horn is an F on the piano. At the risk of being redundant: when the horn plays the note written as "C", he's really playing the note "F".
Why is music like this? Here's an explanation.
"instead of a million tuning slides like a modern horn, there's only one that can be swapped out depending on the key the piece is in." This is also a Vienna horn! Natural horns mostly play harmonic ranges and have to stop the horn to get more notes, whereas Vienna horns actually have keys.
Vienna horn:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Viennese_horn.jpg
(This is also a reply to your first post, just so there's no confusion.)
Thanks for the info! The alternate fingering thing is really interesting-- definitely very hard. I'm thinking the French horn will be more mental based, because of the complexity and the quality of its sound. It might also have varying power based on different fingerings... Hmm... This will be very interesting. Thanks again!
-Alleb
The worst part is I was seated directly in the middle of the band, between the saxes and the accompaniment clarinets, and the director would always skip over me when it came to practicing individual sections.
Actually, no, the worst part was whenever we'd play a piece without horn music, so I'd have to transpose sax music. :(
Transposition is the literal worst thing ever. I am so, so sorry.
I would highly recommend Benjamin Britten's "Young Person's Guide to the Orchestra", the piece takes time to highlight the different instruments of the orchestra. Being able to hear them for yourself might help in your decisions. I would also recommend Carnegie Hall's game based on the aforementioned piece; it starts with a more in-depth introduction to each instrument.
As for the horn itself, it is a bit more mellow than its more bombastic cousin the trumpet (which I know), so from what little you've given on your magic system, I'd say that the horn is either balanced or slightly mind-favored.
Harpsichords would be really interesting; I might have to include one. I'll definitely listen to some Bach!
Oh, also, any recommendations for Songs That Do Stuff(TM)? I want them to be actual songs; the Song of Storms, for example, actually makes storms (because I couldn't resist).
-Alleb
I would maybe possibly go with good old classical music, (ode to joy, etc.,) some rock, maybe... Hot Cross Buns, whatever you think works. Whee, not really helping here, am I :/
But classical and rock are both going to have fairly large roles to play.
-Alleb
About proper songs (lyrics and whatnot) or musical pieces in general?