Subject: Shame Gremmy Thoumeaux never thought of that. (nm)
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Posted on: 2016-07-19 05:59:00 UTC
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This is a bad idea...but I'm doing it anyways by
on 2016-07-15 02:22:00 UTC
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SO! HEY GUYS! How's it going? Good? Haven't seen each other in a while, not my fault I forget these things. So anyways, I'm going to do something...really stupid...You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to show you people...some of the characters I made...Now...let that sink in for a while, not for any real reason, I'm just trying to delay the inevitable criticism I will most surely get. And I will not like in any way, shape, or form.
Now your probably asking yourself one of two things "Then why would you show me the characters in the first place?" And "just show me the god damn characters already!" And to answer your second question. http://monstergirlencyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/User:K%27eth,UndercoverAgent (NSFW)
Now, note that the website these characters are in, is highly inappropriate and 'some' people should not look beyond the walls of what I am showing you. (Basically only the characters on this page I've linked, I want to be...'looked' at.)
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The epitome of wish fulfillment? by
on 2016-07-17 11:10:00 UTC
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Anything he imagines comes true ...
How does this work? What happens if he imagines something implausible or physically impossible (supposed the setting isn’t so magically that nothing actually is impossible)?
I imagine "K’eth" attempting to cross a road, and he thinks Uh, this is a dangerous situation. I may be run over by a truck. CRASH!
How would such experiences inform his personality? Would he become overly cautious, never daring to do anything dangerous, because he can’t avoid imagining possible consequences?
Ah, no. I see he became reckless, never thinking about consequences, because that’s the only way to avoid them.
Why does he have all those redundant weapons? Can’t he just grab a stick and imagine that it transforms into the weapon he needs?
Well, I imagine that’s actually how he got "Fearstriker"; he just imagined it, and then he kept it, because carrying a sword around is easier than imagining it again when he needs it again. So, "imagining" isn’t easy, it takes some toll (I wonder what that might be).
Played in the right way, "K’eth" may be an interesting character. Put into the wrong hands, he may become a terrible Gary Stu. So keep him, play him, make him grow!
The others didn’t tickle my imagination in the same way, and I don’t see the point in creating characters when you apparently don’t intend to use them anyway.
HG
PS: Agent Hieronymus’s Power of Imagination doesn’t plagiarize "K’eth". It has been part of his characterization ever since I realized that Androia’s Universal Translator not translating his German expletives (writing exercise, January 2014) can’t be caused by the preferences he may have set on his UT. -
I likie. by
on 2016-07-18 00:58:00 UTC
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Well for the first one, he would have to go out of his way using his powers to make something implausible or impossible work. He could do it, but it would take a long time for it to be right. And to answer your second question, he realized quickly that his powers can screw him over. So he made it so that when ever he wants to use his powers. He has to start each thought with the words "I imagine..." Or else nothing happens.
While this does take longer and leaves him up to be attacked while in thought. He doesn't have to live in fear of him accidentally destroying the universe.
And yes his power can 'cover up' or destroy Plotholes, but only for more plotholes to show up. -
Shame Gremmy Thoumeaux never thought of that. (nm) by
on 2016-07-19 05:59:00 UTC
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I'm late to this, but here's my two cents. by
on 2016-07-16 18:12:00 UTC
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I've RPed with K'eth (both the user and the character); K'eth the character honestly doesn't seem like too much of a Gary Stu to me. From what I understand, he's an anthropomorphic personification of imagination; his reality-altering abilities are an extension of that.
As for a personality: he's a trickster god. He delights in screwing with people, and thinks that (among other things) angry demigods are the most hilarious thing he's ever seen. He never causes or intends lasting harm; he's an all-powerful prankster who hates boredom and dullness.
Sues meet their goals without effort... K'eth just happens to not really have any goals beyond his own entertainment. He's a creature of whims, with no far-reaching ambitions or plans. All he wants to do is make life more interesting (even if that involves randomly turning into a girl and making out with someone, which he has done before).
Is he fit for duty as a PPC agent? Absolutely not. While not truly a Stu (at least in my mind), he's still a reality-warper and he probably wouldn't get along with the Flowers. He's too powerful for Action departments, and unlike Jenni he wouldn't keep his powers in check because he'd probably be eternally bored without them.
I can't really speak for the rest of K'eth's OCs; I'm not as familiar with them as I am with the Embodiment of Imagination. -
I don't think that's an argument. by
on 2016-07-16 19:05:00 UTC
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Sues meet their goals without effort... K'eth just happens to not really have any goals beyond his own entertainment. He's a creature of whims, with no far-reaching ambitions or plans.
Okay, fine... but if all his whims still turn out exactly how he intended, that's still 'meeting his goals without effort'.
Literally-all-powerful, unbeatable characters have a place in RPing for fun; they're a great source of chaos, which some RPs sorely need. They have far, far less of a place in fiction intended to be read outside the RP.
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This is also true; K'eth the character shines in RPs. by
on 2016-07-16 19:08:00 UTC
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I actually started cowriting an MST with K'eth, though, featuring the character. Since the only real thing going on is commentary, I figured he'd work there too.
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...and? by
on 2016-07-16 18:48:00 UTC
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None of us have that context. Further, omnipotence and being the Totally Random Superpowered Troll is still pretty Stuish.
And uh... none of that explains any of this. Seriously I'm still not sure why this was posted. Did he just want people to look at his page and make viewcounts inceease? -
He already said that he didn't really think it through. by
on 2016-07-16 18:59:00 UTC
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He does want to be part of this community, but he's not 100% sure how everything works.
If all else fails, there's the Sib Houses. Silenthunder's graduated from being my Little Sib. -
Well then: by
on 2016-07-16 21:53:00 UTC
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K'eth: should you desire, I am willing to take you as a Little Sib. Be warned, however, that I am a tad grouchy.
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Welcome baaaaack! *tosses Spikes* by
on 2016-07-15 23:48:00 UTC
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Just looked at your page and - oooooh, Monster Hunter, huh? Nice!
I'll take a look at your characters later and probably talk to you about them by e-mail, that is if you can be a dear and please pass me your address. ;) -
To be honest by
on 2016-07-15 17:45:00 UTC
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It's a halfway between "I HAVE NO IDEA" and me just wanting to see your reactions. If it makes you feel any better, the one known as Voyd, liked the first character shown.
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Well, here's my reaction. by
on 2016-07-15 20:28:00 UTC
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Can't believe I went on that website...
K'eth:
Can... can I just say this guy looks ridiculously OP? "Anything he imagines comes true and well lets just say he really likes permanent passive abilities", his weapons ("if someone/thing grabs the sword or uses it without K'eth's permission he/she will immediately go insane and start to fear everything and everyone. Ultimately resulting in the thing/person to commit suicide usually with Fearstriker itself.", "One last thing unlike Fearstriker in which you grab or use it with out K'eth's consent and then you go insane in Deathbringer's case it just kills you out right", "Sporting 10,000 different effects and abilities, can never be disenchanted and having unlimited uses.") are broken as heck and have urple description, and his personality ("Extremely happy go lucky he just wings it most of the time with out any real plan but then again does he really need plans?") just screams Gary Stu to me.
After that, I have to admit I just kind of skimmed through the others because the first left a bitter taste in my mouth, but do any of these characters have, well, a character to them besides "Look at all the powers and abilities they have!!"? "when killed Dreamweaver will resurrect itself (via pulling itself back together (this resurrection can't not be stopped)) and become ten times stronger then the thing that killed it as well as gaining a few of it's powers"? "Access to everysingle kind of nercomatic power there ever was. though seems to hold the Guild Wars spells in high regard"? The personality sections you provided for these collections of powers (because that's all they really are at this point) are brief and don't tell me anything about them other than 'this character is X, except when they're not, because of Y.'
And you might want to get a beta before posting something for the general public to read. The page you linked was so full of errors I almost gave up at the beginning and pretty much didn't bother with any ability bundles after that.
I'd like to list the good things I found in this, but... all I can really suggest is next time you create characters, make characters and not a collection of super-awesome powers and abilities and weapons with a vague personality description slapped on. Unless that was exactly what you were going for, and in that case, disregard all of the above. -
Yeah... by
on 2016-07-15 22:06:00 UTC
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He's kinda one of my more...older creations, Truth be told I don't exactly use those for reference I just DO them, Which is kinda for the better. Because If I did actually stick to their personality that they have. I would kill myself...probably. Eh, I still don't know why I showed you guys. I knew I was going to get...'hate' for it. But I did it anyways....What the hell am I saying. I'm going to dump my head in bleach, later.
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What? by
on 2016-07-15 23:16:00 UTC
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Seriously, I'm still confused about what you were expecting. Did you just want people to go 'ah yes this is a 100% great bunch of characters, good job'? Did you want the page views on that to just increase? I'm genuinely confused here.
Also, nothing Ix said could be construed as hate or even 'hate.' Further, suicide threats? Kind of a bad move to make around people. Yes, even in jest. -
Well... by
on 2016-07-15 23:28:00 UTC
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I didn't mean anything like that...I don't know what I was expecting. I kinda of- I wasn't thinking, and now all this happens and makes it extremely complicated and I have no idea what to do...Can we just pretend this never happened?
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Welp. by
on 2016-07-16 00:04:00 UTC
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Didn't read this particular thread until after I replied to the OP ^^; Anyway, yeah. I second what the others have said - I've seen some other OCs on the MGE Wiki that are built in the same way as yours, i.e. "a list of powers with a personality tacked on". Character personality has to come first, and it's also important to consider how your OC's abilities, if any, affect their lives and the world around them. It's part of why agents are thoroughly screen-tested by the PGs during the Permission process, the rest of course being how well they're written in general.
And, uh, if you didn't intend to fish for concrit when posting the OP, why post the OP? We look at just about any link to people's characters with a critical eye because we ourselves value well-written OCs. I understand that you're a friend of a friend and I'm as willing to help you out as ever, but I hope you'll forgive me for stating that I don't think you thought this through. Then again I guess we all have those kinds of moments, sooo.
Also, please don't get the idea that we're scheming to tear down your reputation as a person, because believe me, people have actually tried to do that to me in the past and managed a partial success! :C We're always willing to lend a hand to anyone in need, and all you have to do is ask. It's just that your OP really sounded like a "Look at these characters and admire them" sort of deal, which I can say with confidence would not have ended well on any level in most other corners of the Internet. Malice isn't on our agenda - we're trying to help you as a writer and as a person - but I still feel like talking to me or Voyd in private before posting publicly would have been safer in hindsight. ..
And lastly, well... here's a virtual hug from me, in the hopes of comforting you in the aftermath of all this. (/^^)/ -
Wait by
on 2016-07-15 17:17:00 UTC
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Why ARE you showing thse in the first place? I mean, it seems like you don't want concrit, it halfway seems like you don't even want people to look at it. So... why?