Subject: Re: that.
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Posted on: 2018-03-26 10:48:00 UTC

-Given that the last time I said someone appeared to have done something wrong, I was dramatically smacked down, I did not and do not feel it worth my misery to say anything either way. I was extremely dubious about posting the email, even.

-Of the people who you list as responding, four of the nine (including Phobos as Mr. Neshomeh) I can absolutely confirm were already thinking about it. The chat logs show that multiple other people were too.

I get what you're saying. In the two hours between Tomash's post and the conversation falling silent (for the night?) after Delta's block, no-one who didn't feel Mythcreant = Zdimensia said anything. But... look at the timeline again, and show me the dogpile.

-Tomash can't be dogpiling, he said it first.
-Thoth was the first response, that can't be a dogpile.
-Scapegrace was second. I guess being the third post could be dogpiling?
-Mikelus originally responded to tell Scapegrace she was going too far (I think you missed this post, btw - I know I did).
-Then Mikelus addressed Mythcreant's comments about mediation. Dogpile? I don't think so; it's not a 'you should be blocked' post.
-Phobos offered a fourth 'block' vote, which could definitely be dogpiling. He was clearly aware of this, as he specifically asked people not to.
-Neshomeh could be dogpiling; it depends on whether you think the evidence she presents is new or just rephrasing of what's already been said.
-Scapegrace.
-Delta Juliette was acting as a Named Nameless Admin & Discord Mod. That isn't dogpiling, that's her job.
-Granz was objecting to the block.
-I was acting as a Nameless Admin.
-You definitely weren't dogpiling.

The only people you can reasonably accuse of dogpiling behaviour are Scapegrace and Neshomeh, and it bears repeating that someone (Mikelus) chided Scapegrace at least for that prior to your posting, and someone else (Phobos) acted directly to prevent a dogpile.

'Mythcreant' made this post at 9.02pm. It consists of 'Mythcreant' repeating Zdimensia's own old excuses about why she should never have been banned, repeated in exactly the same way as she presented them. This post is 100% convincing to me that 'Mythcreant' = Zdimensia, and assuming you accept Scapegrace's explanation of her first post, the only people calling for a ban before that second post appeared were Tomash and Thoth. Everyone else had that, plus this and this, to help them make up their minds.

This wasn't a foregone conclusion. 'Mythcreant' was given a chance to respond, and she chose to use it in attempting once again to revoke Zdimensia's ban, in exactly the way Zdimensia always did. The Mythcreant = Zdimensia connection hasn't been drawn because people saw the shared IP and went 'better safe than sorry' - it's been drawn because people looked at the evidence and concluded that they were the same person. In other words, she was 'innocent until proven guilty' - but for the people who posted in the thread, there was enough evidence to prove her guilty.

hS

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