Subject: Why indeed.
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Posted on: 2018-03-26 00:22:00 UTC
Because, at the time of your post, if I had seen it instantly and replied to it, then I would have replied defending my point of view, that at that point I had almost no doubt in my mind that Mythcreant and Bram were separate people. hS's evidence has introduced some of that doubt, but that response came almost 30 minutes after this one. So I shall respond to this first.
I am aware of what Bram did, what they put you through. I remember, because I was there. I remember because I had tried to help Bram at first when they were still allowed to post missions, and I remember because I saw a bit of myself in them. Not a lot but enough for me to want to try and help them as much as I could. I saw how any trust I had put into them was misplaced, and I saw the events that unfolded. But that's not the point of this matter, and I don't want you to have to go through any of that again, so I'm sorry for the fact that you feel like you have had to bring it up again.
However, while you are so firm in their belief that they are Bram, I at the time of your response was just as firm that they were not. That meant, that yes, while I was happy to admit that Mythcreant knew Bram, I felt that it did not mean you should tar them with the same brush. Now to quote you "They came here to cause trouble." No, they didn't and I'll tell you why. Pentagon, they came here to cause trouble. Toroll comes here to cause trouble. but Mythcreant? No, they didn't, they came here to get the lay of the land so to speak. They came to see what was being said about Bram, after having heard Bram's side of it, they wanted the PPC's. Ultimately I have no doubt they would of agreed with more of what Bram said than we did, but I believe they would of actually been a mediator between Brams new alias and the PPC eventually. Did they come here to be part of the community? I'm not sure on that one, in some ways, yes they did and they were integrating fairly well, in others no, because their ultimate goal was contrary to the community's.
"We don't want them around because they are Bramandin" Who's this we and where is your definite 100% proof this is Bram? That's all I'm asking for here. Unless there is something that you knew at the time you posted this that you did not want to share with the Board or me, there was no proof that this was Bram, and so I felt like it was my duty to stand up for Mythcreant, to stand up when no one else would and say "Is this really just and fair? That we can ban someone because we suspect they are someone else with no definite proof?" My argument was never trying to prove Mythcreant was innocent of everything, I was always trying to prove that they were not guilty of being Bramandin, by putting enough pressure on the fact that, at that time, all we had was circumstantial evidence to prove they were Bramandin, and that we should, as a community, model ourselves on being just and fair and ask that before we ban someone for some wrongdoing prove that they are without a reasonable doubt guilty of this wrongdoing not that they are without a doubt innocent. If we want to prove that we are better than people like Bram, and Grimalkinii and Toroll say we are, then we have to act like it.
Novastorme
P.S This is my opinion, all of it. And like anyone else, I reserve the right to change my opinion, especially with the information that hS has brought to light. But at the moment, all I can go off of is what I see, and so I wanted this post to be what I was going off of what I saw, what I felt and what I knew when Ix posted their response, nothing else.