Subject: ... I think I'm getting mixed up
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Posted on: 2008-09-11 11:13:00 UTC
I thought "Canon Sue" was simply another way of saying "Possession Sue" or "Sue![canon]".
Sporking's always fun... *evil grin*
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Question of the Day by
on 2008-09-10 10:01:00 UTC
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How does Ferris Bueller avoid being a Marty Stu? Why is watching him get away with everything and get out of every situation funny instead of grating on nerves?
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Hm... by
on 2008-09-10 19:04:00 UTC
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I think it is because they don't attempt to avoid Ferris being a Stu.
He is, and Ferris definitely knows it, and uses it to his advantage in the movie. Which makes it funny instead of annoying.
Actually, Ferris is kind of like a male Haruhi Suzumiya, now that I think about it. -
Same can be said for Mary Poppins by
on 2008-09-11 04:03:00 UTC
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I think certain characters just reach a point where they're so much a part of our heritage that we accept they're Mary-Sues / Gary-Stus, but we can forgive them. I mean, with Mary Poppins, it says she's 'Practically Perfect in Everyway' so we know what to expect. Same with Ferris Bueller. The movie starts very confidantly, and we expect him to succeed. If he hadn't there would have been many feelings of disappointment, huh?
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Question about definitions, then: by
on 2008-09-11 05:38:00 UTC
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Obviously, there are Sue characters in original fiction, but do we still call them 'Sues'? I mean, as far as I know, the term "Mary Sue" applies only to fanfiction characters inserted into someone else's word. (And personally, at least 'formally', I think it should stay that way.)
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Yes, we do by
on 2008-09-11 06:36:00 UTC
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They're called Canon Sues, and there's an LJ group devoted to them named, aprops enough, canon_sues. The main character of Cassie Clare's original fic trilogy has been pegged as one. The first two books have been sporked and I'm working on sporking the third. Oh, and there's another trilogy set to kick off in 2010. I look forward to shredding that one as well.
Anthony Caine of For Better or For Worse has also been identified as a Canon Stu. -
... I think I'm getting mixed up by
on 2008-09-11 11:13:00 UTC
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I thought "Canon Sue" was simply another way of saying "Possession Sue" or "Sue![canon]".
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We sometimes use it to mean that, too. by
on 2008-09-11 12:56:00 UTC
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It depends.
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No, not a possession by
on 2008-09-11 12:03:00 UTC
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Bleh. Remind me never to read that. by
on 2008-09-12 06:33:00 UTC
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Cheers, Tza. Basically, a Bad Character with Bad Plot and Bad Everything Else... *gags*
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*Scratches head* by
on 2008-09-11 13:39:00 UTC
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No, not Ferris by
on 2008-09-11 19:40:00 UTC
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Somehow, he manages to avoid being a Marty Stu. Do add Clary Fray, from CC's books. You can find others to add at the canonsues LJ (<a href="http://community.livejournal.com/canonsues">http://community.livejournal.com/canon_sues)
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Most of the Mossverse's main characters. by
on 2008-09-11 19:06:00 UTC
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But they're still fun.
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Might not be a good idea. by
on 2008-09-11 16:58:00 UTC
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Not everyone agrees on who should be listed, and putting someone else's favourite canon down may cause screaming.
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I have to agree there. by
on 2008-09-12 06:35:00 UTC
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I mean, I LIKE Mary Poppins, and isn't half the definition of a Sue the fact that almost everyone hates her? There are (fanfic) characters around that have almost every Sueish quality imaginable, but remain good characters because they are interesting and well-written.
And it's too easy to hurt feelings this way. (...Aside from Eragon, I think - we can all pretty much agree on THAT one.) -
On the other hand... by
on 2008-09-13 10:20:00 UTC
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Most of Tamora Pierce's protagonists. by
on 2008-09-11 16:45:00 UTC
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Particularly the ones who are absolutely beautiful women but manage to dress up convincingly as boys.
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Rhapsody from, er, Rhapsody. by
on 2008-09-11 15:45:00 UTC
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She regains her virginity by walking through a magical fire in the center of the earth. Not to mention the long paragraphs of description she gets and the fact that she causes riots with her beauty...
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Yeeeaaahhhh... by
on 2008-09-14 01:58:00 UTC
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...the Regaining of the Virginity made me do a double-take, then slam the book against my head. I mean...WTF? And then the whole "I can manipulate water so I shall use it as a sex toy" thing...still can't decide whether to laugh or cry.
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I also liked... by
on 2008-09-14 02:10:00 UTC
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...the Time-Paradox thing with Meridion. And the crawling from one side of the earth to the other on a tree root.
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And... by
on 2008-09-14 02:30:00 UTC
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...how Rhapsody sings a song and suddenly everything's peachy.
Yeah, Rhapsody's a HUGE canon-Sue. As is Ashe/Sam. -
What's sad... by
on 2008-09-14 02:41:00 UTC
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...is that the side characters are actually pretty cool. It's just Rhapsody/Emily and Ashe/Sam that fall into Suedom.
Rhapsody's backstory makes me laugh, sadly. It's so over-the-top. -
What's her name from the Twilight books. (nm) by
on 2008-09-11 15:22:00 UTC
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Don't forget what's-his-name from Twilight, Edward Cullen. by
on 2008-09-17 06:11:00 UTC
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Grrrr...VAMPIRES DON'T SPARKLE...grrr...
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Re: Don't forget what's-his-name from Twilight, Edward Cullen. by
on 2008-09-17 06:39:00 UTC
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Hanabusa Aido (Vampire Knight) could. Of course he's an extremely vain day-tolerating Noble-class vampire with ice powers, who would achieve this by creating small ice crystals in the air around him to catch the light. And only to show off. And only until Kaname tells him to stop it.
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Oh, yes. HER by
on 2008-09-11 19:41:00 UTC
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Bella Swann. *twitch*