You don't tip in Japan! Tipping is not a thing in Japanese service industry!

Can we dub this the absolute fracking worst Touken Ranbu badfic of all time? by Ki no Shirayuki on 2020-12-26 00:02:58 UTC Badfic report Reply

TouRabu fandom has many badfic, but I've yet to see one that infuriated me as much as this one. The Sue is abusive and tyrannical and has absolutely no empathy, and that's not to mention the utter Bad History with the Sue's being the granddaughter of a historical figure that's supposes to have been dead for three centuries as of her supposed time, among other things. Prepare bite guards and helmets for the epic rage fest to come, and you may wanna read my DS sporked version to stave off the anger.

You don't tip in Japan! Tipping is not a thing in Japanese service industry! by Ki no Shirayuki on 2020-12-29 00:59:34 UTC Reply

Now, I'm not knowledgeable in the Millionaire Detective - Balance: UNLIMITED fandom beyond bits and pieces of info from my sister who is a fan of the series, but damn does this fic get my Japanology student instincts ticked off. In short, the whole fic is about tipping and the café one of the characters works at has a friggin' tip jar, forgetting that canon is set in Japan and the fic doesn't say otherwise. I repeat: there is no such thing as tipping in Japanese culture; in fact, tipping might be a purely American thing. Other than that, the same character writes another character's name in "capital fonts", never mind that there's no such thing as capitalization in the Japanese language. It's a culturally inaccurate mess.

That's interesting. by Zingenmir on 2020-12-29 16:22:29 UTC Reply

There's no tipping in any context? Not just in restaurants, but also for taxis, hotels, etc?

It's not a purely American thing, though, no. It's not even a purely North American thing. I'm not sure, but I think I may have seen it in at least historical British novels, and at least a similar idea in Eastern lands; it's also a modern concept in Israel for sure, primarily in restaurants. I think possibly also in taxis, though I could be wrong. It could potentially have migrated to Israel from America, of course; not really my area of knowledge.

At any rate: tipping exists outside of the US (and outside of Canada, where it is also very, very much a thing), and it's interesting that it isn't a thing in Japan. I wonder why.

~Z

PS: Also, belatedly, welcome! I remember your screen name from before. Have a Welcome Gift of some Swiss Bleepolate, shaped like coins for irony :P

Nope, no tipping by Ki no Shirayuki on 2020-12-29 17:08:02 UTC Reply

You just pay for the service and that's it. That's how it goes in most Asian countries anyway. Also, thanks for the… whatever that is 😝
It's not a thing in England either by Thoth on 2020-12-29 16:49:59 UTC Reply

We went there on vacation and it was a really weird thing to get used to.

Whuh? by Scapegrace on 2020-12-31 11:46:21 UTC Reply

You tip waiters and waitresses over here. It's just considerably less than in the US (10% is average) because we actually pay people a living wage... sort of. Taxi drivers too, sometimes.

It's just a lot more optional, and you don't tip random other folk.

Okay, so now I'm trying to remember... by Thoth on 2020-12-31 15:58:50 UTC Reply

There were definitely multiple situations where we were going to tip and were told not to by the staff. I'm a little hazy on the details however. It was a while ago.

Told... not to? by Huinesoron on 2020-12-31 22:32:57 UTC Reply

So the way of tipping I know (from my parents, who are Northern English) is to just leave the money on the table unless the restaurant either has a tip pot (Nando's, and I think some pubs) or allows tipping as part of the bill (some restaurants). I can't think of a time when the staff would be /able/ to say no, except when tipping takeaway delivery people - and they just say thanks. :)

What I'm trying to ask is, what was your tipping method, since it's clearly quite different?

hS

Believe me, I'm just as confused as you are by Thoth on 2020-12-31 22:40:15 UTC Reply

These are my vague recollections from yeeears ago, so I honestly have less idea than you do.

I think it might have been about tipping non-waitstaff? Or something? Or maybe it was something else? I'm... confused. Honestly, I really don't know.

Can we dub this the absolute fracking worst Onmyōji badfic of all time? by Ki no Shirayuki on 2020-12-29 00:32:42 UTC Edited Reply

It's a reader-insert, it's Suey, it gets a lot of canon characters wrong, it gets Japanese culture wrong a lot, and most importantly it promotes a ton of problematic ideas about relationships. Not only that, it's inexplicably crossed over with Tokyo Ghoul, Coco, Kimetsu no Yaiba and Black Butler – keep in mind Onmyōji is set in Heian period Japan. Fic is here
That Suetastic, racist TouRabu badfic with a TV Tropes article by Ki no Shirayuki on 2020-12-26 22:53:40 UTC Reply

Like, how do you even have white supremacy in TouRabu, man? Article in question here, direct link to fic and a drinking game available on the page.