Subject: Thanks for the advice, both of you (nm)
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Posted on: 2022-04-24 14:26:16 UTC
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What makes a good Agent pair? by
on 2022-04-24 03:14:30 UTC
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What do you think are some characteristics of a good Agent pair?
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Thanks for the feedback! (nm) by
on 2022-04-28 22:11:49 UTC
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Also by
on 2022-04-25 11:12:44 UTC
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They should maybe do a smooch
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I'm only doing that if my pairs would work together romantically. by
on 2022-04-25 11:22:22 UTC
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(So, definitely not my first planned one, where one partner is 30ish years older than the other. But maybe later pairs.)
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Whats wrong... by
on 2022-04-25 11:35:05 UTC
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With a few kisses between coworkers?
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Squick. That's what's wrong with that particular pair doing so. by
on 2022-04-25 11:41:21 UTC
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I would do it with Agents that would be the right age, have interest in each other, etc.
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What if, by
on 2022-04-25 13:10:44 UTC
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The smooching is between an adult human and an adult Tolkien elf?
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Depends. I think there might be such a pair somewhere in HQ. by
on 2022-04-25 13:29:09 UTC
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The Agents that I was asking for are (Probably, I'm not sure yet) 15 and 43. Just so you know.
In general, though, with elves and humans, I think that's okay..I believe that would apply to Agents Constance and Daffydd.
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Among several others. by
on 2022-04-25 14:26:51 UTC
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Christianne's like mid-20s or something when she and Eledhwen started dating. by
on 2022-04-25 14:53:21 UTC
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But in terms of development they'd known each other for several years before, and given how Beren and Luthien only knew one another for a year, I'd say E and C were going a bit slow haha
ETA: I have absolutely done squicky age gap, though, when I wrote IAHF. Jen was like 16/17 when she got with Mr Allen/Hugh's secretary, who's... idk, anime ages. But shrug emoji I was also that age when I wrote it so I thought I was Very Mature!
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Oh yeah, I know that feeling. by
on 2022-04-25 16:01:22 UTC
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I have an entire proto-novel out there with Very Mature 16 year old protagonists saving the world. At one point they actually got de-aged back to 16 for the sequel. :D
In retrospect it is very lucky that I decided to upstage my cowriter's "Selene is a vampire" revelation by making Dafydd into a famous elf. Otherwise he would have fallen into exactly the same mold.
hS
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I want to read this. (Insert smiley face emoji here.) (nm) by
on 2022-04-25 16:13:02 UTC
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The novel, or Teen Dafydd and his vampire partner? (nm) by
on 2022-04-25 18:15:42 UTC
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Or, indeed, Actual Dafydd upstaging Selene?
Two of these are available. :)
hS
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Um, the novel? The others work too, though. by
on 2022-04-25 18:46:53 UTC
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Though, honestly, if it's PPC and not squicky then I'd like to give it a shot.
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Now that I can do. by
on 2022-04-25 19:43:05 UTC
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Can't say I've read too much Anne McCaffrey, though by
on 2022-04-25 20:36:54 UTC
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(Unless none is too much?)
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Don't worry, it's not fanfic. by
on 2022-04-25 22:16:22 UTC
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I just pilfered quite a few concepts from her along the way, is all.
hS
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Thanks. (nm) by
on 2022-04-25 20:21:10 UTC
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I do enjoy the brass ones it takes to say “yeah Dafydd’s just evil Maglor”. by
on 2022-04-25 16:10:32 UTC
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I just said “hey, what if that background elf behind Legolas at the RotK coronation had a backstory?” 🤣
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I know I'm not Very Mature. (nm) by
on 2022-04-25 15:44:41 UTC
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Italian American Heritage Foundation? (nm) by
on 2022-04-25 15:38:01 UTC
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International Academy of Hetalia Fanfiction. by
on 2022-04-25 16:05:52 UTC
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The OFU for the anime Axis Powers: Hetalia, which was very big back in 2011-ish. Conceit of the show is basically national personifications being over the top stereotypes. I’m not in the fandom anymore, but the OFU was one of the places where I developed my writing chops so I could write better PPC missions in 2012-2014. It also developed a couple stuff I’ve been playing with in my PPC spin-offs over the years: the New Multiverse Monitor, stuff with the Mirror Multiverse and crossing Multiverses in general, and the League of Mary Sue Factories.
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I've heard of Hetalia, but never watched it. by
on 2022-04-25 16:12:00 UTC
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To be honest, I've only seen maybe two anime. (Is that the correct plural?) (Not sure "couple stuff" is grammatical, though)
And that was just the first acronym to pop up in the Google search results. :)
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Couple of things, then. by
on 2022-04-26 05:32:12 UTC
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But since you (probably) understood what I meant to convey, I don’t really see the point in correcting it.
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I understood. Mere nitpicking, tbh. (nm) by
on 2022-04-26 12:40:44 UTC
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There’s a time and a place for nitpicking. by
on 2022-04-26 20:52:24 UTC
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I’m sorry if that came off as rude. by
on 2022-04-26 21:20:02 UTC
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Not what I was going for. I’m just a bit of a stickler for those things. Though you certainly do have a point.
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It does help if the characters' ages are a bit vague, heh. by
on 2022-04-25 15:25:03 UTC
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Ah, cripes, the passage of time is relentless. by
on 2022-04-25 15:54:47 UTC
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That's a good thing by
on 2022-04-25 18:53:41 UTC
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Only oldbies need bother with that anyhow.
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No judgement. by
on 2022-04-25 15:36:23 UTC
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I'm just not planning on any romance at all for my first pair. (Note to self: Read some Gall and Derik missions) [Sorry, mini-Agent!]
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That's valid. by
on 2022-04-25 15:43:46 UTC
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What's the best way to find new badfic? by
on 2022-04-25 18:55:30 UTC
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Where's the best place to find new badfic? Outside of the PPC, I don't read much goodfic (sadly) and there are some fandoms I really wish I could find a badfic for.
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I literally just go through FF.net. (nm) by
on 2022-04-25 19:03:44 UTC
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Yeah, that works by
on 2022-04-25 19:19:30 UTC
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There's a particular book series/anime adaptation that I want to mission. Oh well, I'm sure I'll find something eventually.
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There's also AO3, Quotev, Wattpad... by
on 2022-04-25 20:09:24 UTC
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I look at the unclaimed badfic list or AO3 or old Board threads. by
on 2022-04-25 22:29:48 UTC
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I don't look at quotev anymore because I got annoyed with it.
and because my own badfic is up there, which is something I want to forget about -
Old Board threads - good idea! by
on 2022-04-26 01:43:53 UTC
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I'd want to forget that too. -
Seconding Quotev. (nm) by
on 2022-04-25 20:37:59 UTC
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Alright, good advice by
on 2022-04-25 20:27:50 UTC
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I like the try-for-older-stuff rule. It does seem nicer. (And yeah, I don't like smut or whatnot. Certainly not my cup of tea. Yuck.) And poorly-written summaries do tend to contain poorly-written stories.
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Yeah, I don't need to reply to irrelevant posts. by
on 2022-04-25 15:56:40 UTC
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I was simply being facetious. I like going off the rails. Tangents are fun. :) (I did temporarily create the mini-Agent Derrik. Thanks to edit, he is no more.)
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This thread has officially gone off the rails. (nm) by
on 2022-04-25 14:55:59 UTC
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One of my ships by
on 2022-04-25 15:11:05 UTC
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concerns an adult man in his 20s and an adult woman who has become immortal ages ago, way before they meet.
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Welcome to conversations in the PPC. {= ) (nm) by
on 2022-04-25 14:57:28 UTC
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-innocent voice- There were rails? (nm) by
on 2022-04-25 14:59:13 UTC
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I think there were.... (nm) by
on 2022-04-25 15:33:27 UTC
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Oh of course by
on 2022-04-25 12:12:48 UTC
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But if all the parameters are correct there's nothing wrong with a few consensual platonic licks between coworkers.
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Um...I guess. But your descriptions are getting a little weird. (nm) by
on 2022-04-25 12:15:17 UTC
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Easy! by
on 2022-04-25 01:18:55 UTC
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Bickering.
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Oh dear 🤣 by
on 2022-04-25 01:33:20 UTC
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My main pair rarely bicker if at all 🤣
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Well, others have made points about how Agent pairs can work with or without bickering. (nm) by
on 2022-04-25 01:46:02 UTC
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Come to think of it, a better word might be "banter." by
on 2022-04-25 04:56:06 UTC
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Since entertaining banter can occur between either friends or enemies.
It's not fun when both agents seriously hate each other, though. Crelmos and Teek, for example, just make me uncomfortable. Partly because Crelmos is actually evil. >.< (To the author's credit, she recognized the problem and got Teek a new partner.)
~Neshomeh
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Also agreed. by
on 2022-04-25 10:47:55 UTC
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You can disagree with people you like, too! (nm) by
on 2022-04-25 15:31:56 UTC
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Agreed. "Banter" is the right word. (nm) by
on 2022-04-25 05:27:37 UTC
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(from someone who hasn't written their agent pair in ages) by
on 2022-04-25 00:07:24 UTC
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For me, it depends on what kind of stories you're hoping to tell with the pair? Ollie and Marie were designed to kick butt and bicker, while a combination like Delkhii and Jesse were meant to be the comedically serious, deadpan types.
Contrasting dynamics work really well, especially if the pair in question deals with a wide range of badfic.
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Okay, I see what you mean (nm) by
on 2022-04-25 00:39:39 UTC
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I think it's really good comedy when they used to be worst enemies or rivals... by
on 2022-04-24 23:08:16 UTC
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...and now they're best friends! With a little bit of healthy teasing, too, of course.
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Good idea (nm) by
on 2022-04-24 23:14:59 UTC
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I’m very partial to Sunshine&Grumpy. by
on 2022-04-24 22:58:42 UTC
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Yeah, I agree with that (nm) by
on 2022-04-24 23:15:20 UTC
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May I suggest a duo dynamic I particularly like: by
on 2022-04-24 15:48:56 UTC
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Enter the boke-tsukkomi dynamic. It's a kind of comedy in which one side of the duo makes silly statements and actions (boke) and the other constantly acting annoyed and making correcting statements, sometimes resorting to mild violence (tsukkomi). It can play out in a PPC setting; say, an agent's life is hard enough exposed to cringe without having to keep shouting at their common sense-deficient partner as well.
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On pairing Agents by
on 2022-04-24 12:50:56 UTC
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Excellent advice. by
on 2022-04-24 16:14:30 UTC
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Okay. Thanks. by
on 2022-04-24 18:10:53 UTC
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I'm considering having one agent who absolutely HATES Mary Sues and another who'd rather reform them. Thoughts on that concept? (Though that's not all to either's personality)
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How would that manifest? by
on 2022-04-24 20:07:24 UTC
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The obvious way would be an argument over whether to kill, recruit, or integrate a Suvian into the canon. Which is great... once. Maybe twice, if it has a very different outcome. But I'm not sure one* could sustain it every mission.
*Pretty sure I couldn't, but it's your concept and I don't know about you. Hence, 'one'.
hS
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Here's how by
on 2022-04-24 20:12:22 UTC
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I might have the sympathetic Agent (Mina) try to convince the Sue to join them as a recruit, for each fic, after the charge list is read. (And if it only works a few times, then I can
always[to a point] create more Agents.) My idea was, as a former Sue herself, she always feels bad for any Sues they kill. -
Here's the problem with "I can always create more" in this situation. by
on 2022-04-24 20:55:04 UTC
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Anyway, what do you think of the presented dynamic? (nm) by
on 2022-04-24 21:45:40 UTC
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As long as it isn't the sole comedy point and isn't their only personality trait, you should be fine by
on 2022-04-24 22:40:15 UTC
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Also, I keep forgetting about the character cap in titles lol.
-kA
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I intend to make them deeper than that. by
on 2022-04-24 22:45:33 UTC
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There should indeed be more than just that, of course. (I'm thinking of making one of the Agents Fourth Wall-aware to the point of blaming everything bad on me, for example) - Ls
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I only meant that for this particular pair. Not infinitely. by
on 2022-04-24 21:36:02 UTC
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Oh, well I misinterpreted. I do apologize! (nm) by
on 2022-04-24 22:39:19 UTC
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It's okay. ;) by
on 2022-04-24 22:43:08 UTC
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No hard feelings at all.
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Seconding the "must not be too similar" clause. (nm) by
on 2022-04-24 13:52:48 UTC
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Thanks for the advice, both of you (nm) by
on 2022-04-24 14:26:16 UTC
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All the pairs I've seen fall into two catogories: by
on 2022-04-24 05:00:15 UTC
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I think the partner's Charlotte Webb. (Thanks, wiki!) (nm) by
on 2022-04-24 14:33:57 UTC
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