Subject: Aha, got it. {= )
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Posted on: 2013-08-16 16:31:00 UTC

It would be interesting to see a dialogue like that between agents and Suvian. I'll keep it in mind in case I ever have a good opportunity to use it.

As for Lúthien, I think that's almost right. Here's what my copy of Silm says:

These were the choices that he [Manwë] gave to Lúthien. Because of her labors and her sorrow, she should be released from Mandos, and go to Valimar, there to dwell until the world's end among the Valar, forgetting all griefs that her life had known. Thither Beren could not come. For it was not permitted to the Valar to withhold Death from him, which is the gift of Ilúvatar to Men. But the other choice was this: that she might return to Middle-earth, and take with her Beren, there to dwell again, but without certitude of life or joy. Then she would become mortal, and subject to a second death, even as he; and ere long she would leave the world for ever, and her beauty become only a memory in song.

This doom she chose, forsaking the Blessed Realm, and putting aside all claim to kinship with those that dwell there; that thus whatever grief might lie in wait, the fates of Beren and Lúthien might be joined, and their paths lead together beyond the confines of the world.

So, Lúthien could never go back to Middle-earth as an immortal, but she could have a sort of life in the city of Valimar in Valinor—but without Beren, who must someday die and leave the world. Or, she could return to Middle-earth with Beren, but only as a mortal like him.

It's also important to note that Lúthien was only given her choice because she sang to Námo Mandos, and her song was so fair and sorrowful that "Mandos was moved to pity, who never before was so moved, nor has been since." No one but Lúthien could do this. So, Mandos went to Manwë for advice, and Manwë revealed the will of Ilúvatar, as above.

Lúthien does give some justification to singing Sues in Middle-earth, though. Music is of course the fabric of which Arda was woven, and songs have power—especially if you're the immortal child of Elf and Maia. Not so much if it's pop music and you have to wreck other people's stories to have yours, though...

~Neshomeh

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