Subject: Re: Can multiple 'Sues cancel out?
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Posted on: 2012-08-23 19:33:00 UTC
I tend toward Araeph's understanding of Sues, myself. The powers or awesomeness or any particular set of physical attributes do not make a Sue. What makes a Sue, is a character being out of place and warping the story around xirself. Or as Phobos, usually says in these discussions, a duck swimming in a pond is not a problem, because ducks swimming in ponds is a natural thing. (Now back to my own wording) Put the same duck in a soup tureen at a black tie party, and there's going to be a problem. (This is how a character could be a total and complete Sue in a fanfic, but a great character if they were placed in their own story. I've seen ones like this in fanfics before.)
If you took one of the X-Men and dropped xir off in the Sherlock Holmes continuum, and then let him/her use his powers to dominate the world, then that character, who might not be one of the most powerful or outstanding in his/her own world, would be a problem Sue.
Another example--the Whiny Teenage Protagonist. This is a character that comes in both male and female varieties, whose over-riding characteristic is that he/she gets to angst and feel sorry for xirself and generally be a pain in the rear, while every adult in whining range falls all over themselves to accommodate and coddle the character, assure him/her that xe is right about everything, etc. So if you've got the Gruff Soldier who should be concerned about keeping the party alive in hostile territory, I just don't buy that they are going to make their greatest daily task coddling the Whiny Teen.
(A fanfic that includes a Whiny Teenage Protagonist getting blasted by an in-character Rodney Mckay, which is hilarious, as far as I'm concerned, can be found here: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4481881/1/ This story is a bit over 100,000 words and is told entirely from the point of view of original characters, yet it has a great plot, the canons are in-character and are at the center of the story, where I think they should be in a fanfic)
That kind of warping and making it all about me, me, me, is characteristic of the Mary Sue, in my opinion.
If you have multiple characters that are all giving and taking and sharing the lime light, then pretty much by definition, they aren't Sues.