Subject: General agreement/my understanding.
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Posted on: 2012-08-23 21:10:00 UTC

My understanding of a Mary-Sue is, simply put, a character (any gender, although of course we often use various male-specific terms when they apply) who doesn't suffer the consequences of their actions, given the world they live in. As you say, a Whiny Teen in hostile territory would not usually be coddled, so one who is had better have a darned good excuse (such as being actual royalty, or the soldier leading them being very new, or something).

Even more generally: if enough bullets are fired at you, you're going to get hit. James Bond is a raging Sue (Stu), but he's also deliberately tongue-in-cheek. He doesn't stay alive because the author thinks that's realistic - he stays alive because he's James Bond, and no mere bullet will stop him getting the girl... I mean villain. He's virtually self-parody.

Batman, on the other hand, should get hit a lot more than he does. I know there are occasional Ooh 'Eck I'm Injured scenes, but really, he ought to be dead. Black clothes only get you so far, and I don't recall most versions wearing body armour. But that's the Superhero genre for you - if it didn't exist, you couldn't get away with inventing it.

Basically: Magneto trying to take over Holmes' London could be an awesome crossover, if he obeys the rules of the world (which start and end with Holmes Is Smarter Than You). The Riddler outwitting Holmes would be stupid, and one character or the other would be massively OOC. My new character The Questioneer outwitting Holmes would make TQ a raging Stu.

If you insert a character into a world, they either follow the rules, or they're a Mary-Sue.

hS

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