Subject: Oh, Celestia, no! It's Twilust!
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Posted on: 2012-03-25 23:27:00 UTC
Twilust, the sequel to "Molestia" and "Lunaughty", is finally out. Damn it all! Someone spork it. I'm not quite up to a multichapter that squicky, besides not having my Permit.
Then I would offer up THIS.
http://curepassion.deviantart.com/art/Another-new-world-Chapter-1-265144634
It's a Madoka fanfiction that, pretty much, deletes the entire heartwarming ending because the author didn't like it, giving abilities to characters that shouldn't have them and screwing up relationships. You can see my comments (from Karrin Blue) where I point these out, and, how in the end, when I point out some things that make no sense (including being contradictory) the author pulls out the 'its-a-fanfic-so-I-can-do-what-I-want' excuse.
Yeah, I'm sporking this.
I read this fanfiction and have to say that I really like it.
I don't really get what your problem is. I don't see any "screwing up relationships" or "not being satisfied with the entire heartwarming ending". I also don't really get what exactly should be called heartwarming about the anime's ending even Gen Urobuchi says that he was too cruel. Homura never gets to physically see Madoka again after retrying to save her friend again and again she ends up all alone again. Looks like you didn't see Homura's gaze after the ending in the last episode, she didn't look too happy then after all... The only real heartwarming part of this episode is when Homura and Madoka are together in space but the rest is cruel to Homura and not "heartwarming" at all. After trying so hard all the time she just gets to fight alone again. And I don't think she'd get very close to Mami and Kyoko, maybe a little bit closer to Kyoko but that's it, in the end she's all alone again.
Also about the "screwing up" relationships all I see is a fanfic that tries to give the character's a (happy) yuri end where all of them are together. And writing a yuri fanfiction is not "screwing up relationships". Many parts of the anime can be interpreted as yuri. Or why else do you think is this anime so popular among yuri fans? If you don't get what I mean go and watch Kannazuki no Miko. In my opinion you pretty much look like someone who hates yuri and doesn't understand it. I am not saying that everyone needs to like yuri but if you aren't tolerant enough to let others be the way they're then you're pretty retarded.
For Homura and Madoka as a couple I would exactly display them how the author did. I'd imagine them having a deep, strong love for each other where only feelings matter. (Although Homura seems to be a bit of a pervert after all, considering that she "knows the value of used underwear".)
I'd imagine Kyoko and Sayaka would have a relationship where both are a bit shy and have problems showing their feelings for each other though forming slowly a strong bond with each other.
I also don't get why you mean by saying "giving characters abilities they shouldn't have"...
And I don't think that the author does what he/she wants. The author rather tries to give (as I already mentioned before) the character's the end he/she would have liked in my opinion and doesn't srew anything up and I think he/she really did very well when trying to portray the character's feelings. It feels kinda a bit as if the dialogues came from the anime itself. An author is still allowed to put their own ideas and feelings in a fanfiction, too. Or why do you think exist fanfictions at all? This fanfiction's purpose seems to be some kind of continuation with a proposed shoujo-ai end. (it's obvious to see what kind of end this fanfiction will have after all)
(I know my English isn't very good, I'm French.)
Pardon me for being suspicious, but I've never seen you before, you've gone to the trouble of dredging up a two-months-dead thread seemingly with the sole intent of picking a bone with someone, and you seem to think it's okay to throw around problematic and hurtful words like "retarded" in reference to other people. This is not acceptable behavior on this forum. Please read our Constitution, like Firemagic said, if you intend to keep posting here. I'd also appreciate some sort of explanation for why you felt this post was necessary.
~Neshomeh
Anyways... One, I liked the ending, but anyways that's beside the point. This completely messes up the ending, as in it gives Madoka and Homura powers they shouldn't have. For example, after the end, I don't think Homura can go back in time. Even if she COULD, that shouldn't allow Madoka to appear on Earth. Also, why did Madoka going back in time make Sayaka appear in an explosion? Why could Sayaka remember being in Puella Magi heaven?
The screwing up relationships--no, I'm not referring to the yuri, I'm talking about the relations between Homura and Sayaka. And I quote:
"I grunt quietly, she's the one I did never really like too much because she was the one who ended up being the closest to Madoka, after a few times of time revision, and she was also often very rude to me"
No, that's not why Homura disliked Sayaka. Homura's not possessive, and she wants Madoka to be happy. She's become DETACHED from Sayaka because she knows she will become a witch or die, not because she was stealing Madoka from her.
I don't hate yuri. I love the yuri relationships between Madoka and Homura, Sayaka and Kyoko, and in other animes. It's just that this fanfic messes up the other relationships between characters in the anime, the friendships.
Oh, and one more thing: "It had really been great to see my parents again after such an extremely long time, since Akemi-san had been able to save this world from getting destroyed for long 1000 years, even when the last human was killed and no other Puella Magis except her existed, she still fought, hoping to save Madoka from becoming a witch. She and Madoka had been talking, again and again when Madoka had found a way to talk to her. But after sometime Akemi-san's Soul Gem had turned black but she didn't die, she cried, tried to make Madoka kill her but Madoka would never kill her, she just told her that Akemi-san had become an angel and even a corrupted Soul Gem, couldn't kill her, in fact all wounds of the world wouldn't kill her, she had become immortal.
As she didn't need to clean her soul gem anymore, she fought more and she nearly became mad, like I had so often in the old universe, but Madoka was always able to keep her sane, cheer her up and make her fight on."
What a wonderful idea, except for a) it was never established in previous chapters that Homura was anything but a regular Puella, b) the demons apparently destroyed the world a short time after Madoka's wish, not a thousand years later (and even then, if human civilization was gone, why did Madoka wait that long?) and most egregiously, c) that is all apparently taken from the goodfic A History of Magic, which takes the time to establish the Angels and makes it work with good writing. This fic seems to have plagiarized it without doing anything that made the original good.
Also, please read the Board Constitution--specifically rules 2 and 4.
The ending was pretty hit or miss, dude. I personally disliked it...
But yeah, this is awful.
OK, OK, fine. I personally really liked the ending, but to each his/her own. And either way, the fanfiction, coupled with the author's ADMITTED DISREGARD for canon...
Well, I hope to give it the sporking it deserves.
... is that this is plausible. In a sick, twisted, horrible way, the whole trilogy has a viable plot. We've all seen Fluttershy's alternate self- she can be absolutely vicious if need be. Remember what happened to the dragon and the Royal Gardens' fauna? So why not a monstrosity like this hidden away in Celestia? Everyone else seems fairly in-character for the most part. There's not even much bad biology, aside from the whole horn-as-a-phallus thing.
A monster hidden away in an otherwise wonderful pony is totally workable. It's just that our pervy Streak took it in the wrong direction and wrote clop. Honestly, he'd be really good if he'd just take the time to stop and ask himself whether he really needs to be able to fap to his writing. His grammar and spelling are good and he sure has a handle on the characters, at least in the trilogy. Not so much in his other fics. Like that AppleSpike grapefruit monstrosity of a rapefic. I guess it's sort of like hentai. There's totally a plot, but it revolves almost entirely around sex scenes. Being able to make that work is actually kind of disgusting and amazing at the same time.
I might spork the AppleSpike fic when I get my Permit. It's legitimately bad writing, entirely OOC, and with no plot.
Honestly, I can totally accept the cloppers. Am I grossed out? Buck yes. Am I going to make fun of them? Relentlessly. Does it deserve to be sporked? Yes. Do I hate them? No. They just have a weird fetish is all. If I hated the cloppers, I wouldn't be much of a Brony, considering that, you know, the whole fandom sort of revolves around love and tolerance. It's just that... Well, the explicit stuff needs to go to the Über Pit of Voles and stay there. That's what the place is for. The regular Pit isn't the place for it is all.
Honestly, I'm thinking of adapting the "monster locked away in Celestia" plot for a fic of my own. But this monster shall be no rapist. It will be a killer. Tell me now if this is a bad idea. The deaths will be confined to background characters and OCs, but I don't want to go over the edge here.
None of this makes SENSE! You're basing justification on one pony having a darker side, which doesn't mean that all of them do.
Just because the characters snap in comedic manner sometimes is not justification for crazed pornography or Saw-style bloodfics--that's escalation to a point where it doesn't fit the setting or the characters anymore. I mean, seriously--"Remember what happened to the dragon and the Royal Gardens' fauna?" Yeah, they got screamed at a bit. She got frustrated, she lost her temper. She didn't HURT either of them!
This kind of thing is what produces atrocities like Cupcakes or Rainbow Factory, and I haven't seen anything in Celestia's character so far that would remotely suggest support for some kind of murderous rampage. You would have to stretch a LONG way to make that work, and I sincerely doubt you could.
Writing something like that might really hurt your chances of getting Permission, too--it tends to reflect badly on a potential PPCer if they're writing the sort of things we normally target.
*adjusts glasses*
Yes, but... Well, Celestia has to have some sort of psych issues. It's difficult to be alive for that long and not go at least a little nutty. Banishing Luna surely took a toll. Then there's the loss of so many generations of friends- some maybe closer than others. Not to mention the stress of ruling a country and basically being a goddess. Some people have been known to just snap under the strain. She may be immortal, but her mind is clearly shown to have the same weaknesses and vulnerabilities as anyone else's. Anger isn't always the cause of murder.
I assure you that, were I to write something of that sort, it would be more in the vein of Death Note, where we focus on the investigation, the rush to find the killer, and the dangerous duel between minds, and the scheming and plotting on both sides. No "Saw" antics for me. The fandom has had enough of that between Cupcakes and Sweet Apple Massacre. As to what happens in Streak's fics... Well, I wouldn't write clop. I don't hate them, but I'm not one of them either.
I don't mind telling you I double and even triple check my work. I like to be thorough and ensure my writing isn't straying into badfic. Joe, you know I love the fandom. I love all my fandoms. I wouldn't do anything I know would be bad for it. It's like I said. Split-personality monster/good person can be good. Streak had a good foundation, but then he screwed up the roof and walls. He has the potential to write some truly good fanfiction, and he's ignoring it in favor of clop. He frustrates me so.
Believe me, I could do it. It would take a long time, and I would have to place each and every thread of the huge, complex web one at a time and with absolute precision, lest it should fall apart. But I could do it. I'm not as foolish as I seem. I may appear to be special with a capital "R", but there's more to me. I'm hurt that you'd expect mindless clop and gore from me, actually! I may be absolutely in love with Fluttershy, but love/romance does not equal sex. The attraction is psychological, not physical. And that is the key reason that I'm not a clopficcer. And I've never been big on blood and gore unless it was originally a Sue.
I won't try it, though. Not yet. Not until I have a more solid handle on writing the characters myself and have had a chance to really put it all together. No, I think I'll stick with my little oneshots for now...
In the show, we have not seen any violent or homicidal (or should it be ponycidal?) tendencies in Celestia, nor has it ever been hinted that she hides a sinister side. She is shown to be a responsible and caring leader and I just can't see her plotting the murder of several of her subjects. To address your points:
Concerning the princess' immortality: I think she's able to overcome the sadness associated with losing friends though outliving them. Besides, the show isn't about death, it's about friendship.
Need I remind you that she did make amends with Luna by the second episode of the series? That's a massive load off her shoulders.
There are plenty of people in positions of power that aren't insane. I'm not saying that ruling a country isn't stressful, but just think about this: how many presidents/prime ministers/kings/queens/big cheeses have snapped under pressure and personally plotted the murder of their people?
In short, grimdark or clop stories don't mesh at all with the show's original messages or values.
You make good points. But, remember, ponycidal tendencies could be locked away with magic as the Molestia side was.
Celestia is a good, capable leader, yes. But... Ooh, there's another idea. Remember King George? He use to be great. Then, he took a blow to the head and he was never quite the same. Went totally insane. Became very violent. But also absolutely stupid, so there goes any "clever" plotting.
I can't think of any specific examples, but I'm sure plenty have snapped. Not necessarily violently. Sometimes people just give out, I guess.
Well, not easily. I know one man who could do it, but he probably wouldn't have the time. He's more of a Redwaller anyway. But it's not a project for me, and I'm starting to see why. Thanks for bringing me around. I wasn't quite in my right mind when I said all that. Well, less in it than I usually am. Tired, and hopped up on a cafe mocha from Tim's.
...if there's one thing I really miss here in the States, it has to be those Boston cream doughnuts they have over at Timmy's.
That or the honey-dipped Timbits.
Did y'all know Tim's has apple cider now? It's some dang sweet stuff, Ah don't mind tellin' ya!
Calmez-vous. Okay? Let's not lose sight of what's really important here.
We're all friends. We all want to write goodfic. Who knows, maybe a Celestia-loses-it fic could be good.
Let our fellow agent write the fic. If it's a badfic, we can spork it till it bleeds. If it's a goodfic, the universe is that much the better for it.
And hey, maybe it's workable. I don't know that much about MLP continuua, but I can see something going wrong.
I'm currently reading a rather good one where Princess Celestia loses it (not to anger) due to Twilight and her drifting apart and had to deal with her consequences. It's called Eternal can be found here:
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/5921/Eternal
No murderous rampage by the dear princess but the whole story is rather tearjerky. Although the backstory of the two princesses bends the canon a bit.
Posting from home using a proxy (yourwebapps.com hates my ISP =( ).
I think Murderous!Celestia is a bit far-fetched. She doesn't seem to be the type to have serious latent anger issues.
...but that's just my opinion. Carry on.
Fanon!France, from Hetalia. Only with France, at least there is SOME canon basis for him acting like that. ._.\
I don't want to think about what she did to the Scout from Team Fortress 2. See for yourself, if you dare.
In the immortal words of Canon!Twilight:
"Ugh..." *shakes head and facehoof*
*Royal Canterlot Voice* IMPOSTOR TWILIGHT SPARKLE! WHERE IS THE REAL TWILIGHT!? */RCV*
If you'll excuse me, my voice is giving out.
Never seen these before. What even is this?
...that the MLP fandom can produce. Alternate character interpretations for Princess Celestia include the monstrosity known as "Molestia" which... well... molests anypony in the immediate vicinity.
As for the fic... Bleeprin please.