Subject: The key thing.
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Posted on: 2011-12-19 21:37:00 UTC

As I see it (and this is my basis for the new definition on the Mary Sue page), the main thing that makes a Sue or Stu is that other characters don't react to the Stu in ways that make sense, and neither does the Stu behave in ways that make sense. "Sense" is relative, but it takes into consideration the reasonable expectations of the reader and the rules of the world set up by the author.

To use the swordsmanship example, if the rules were that anyone in Inheritanceverse could pick up a stick and learn to be a master swordsman in a couple of weeks, then it wouldn't be Stuish; however, not anyone can do that. Only Eragon can, because he is speshul. It's not really the what that make a Stuish trait (becoming a master swordsman), but the how (doing it in a ridiculously short time when no one either in the real world or the fictional one can do the same).

If Eragon had to work for his success, he wouldn't be a Stu; however, these things are all handed to him on a silver platter of plot contrivance. It makes him boring, as doctorlit noted, and it makes him a Stu.

~Neshomeh

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