Subject: Script Link
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Posted on: 2010-04-23 17:56:00 UTC
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Subject: Script Link
Author:
Posted on: 2010-04-23 17:56:00 UTC
Do you have a gmail account? I'll just send you an invite to the google doc.
...Are you talking about the anime? Piratical villain protagonists, Revy, Rock, Benny and Dutch? Because I don't think it's actually that sexist. Sure, copious fanservice and all, but there's nothing inherently wrong with that as long as the ladies' personalities are as well-developed as their bodies, which I'd argue that they are. Also, they're not at all dependent on men.
Maybe it should read "two women have a conversation about something other than romance/sex"? If that was true, then those shock games you mentioned would probably pass. I don't know the games, but none of those guys sound like romantics.
You see, in system shock, the main character, Hacker, is male and also the exclusive viewpoint character.
Shouldn't they say 'if they fail the reverse Bechdel Test?
Someone either passes or fails. Tasmin was interested in knowing what happened if someone passed.
I'm thinking, though, that the criteria for passing should have been phrased differently: "and not every conversation is about a woman". Then failing the test is another charge on the list (cause then every conversation is about the Sue).
Or we'll be accused of misogyny again.
Yes, pretty much all Sues fail that test. So does pretty much all published writing. And all TV shows, and all films, and all any media outlet you care to name. It's not a distinguishing characteristic of Suefic. It's a distinguishing characteristic of anything written in the western world at some point in the last few hundred years.
Although admittedly pretty much all male first-person stories automatically fail, that still seems ludicrously broad for most works failing it. I guess it's so pervasive I haven't noticed in any particular instances.
I was angry at the time, and I spoke hastily as a result.
'Twas more of an ironic tone than a bitter one.
...well, not -that- bitter, anyway. This world damages us all, we don't need to heap the abuse on each other as well.
The gender of the author has little to do with it. Fics are still written in a cultural and societal framework that grants little to no worth to interactions between women that don't feature romance or men. Just because an author is female doesn't mean she hasn't grown up being repeatedly told that her only worth, in a storytelling medium, is in her facilitation of relationships with men.
That's very depressing. My fandom experience pretty much begins and ends with Buffy the Vampire Slayer and comic books, so I wasn't aware it was such a problem in fandoms.
I wouldn't have ever considered it myself, but then I did a literature degree, which contined whopping great doses of feminism, particularly as applied to women in literature and women being allowed to publish stuff, etc. Then one starts noticing.
political science where this kind of thing crops up as well. Consider the double standards imposed on female politicians ("cold bitch" vs. "weeping hysteric"), or the pressures on appearance.
One doesn't or shouldn't need an academic degree to take note of this stuff, of course.
I saw something mentioned once about maybe some kind of special addendum for long running tv series, because most of them, if they run long enough, will eventually pass the test. The proposal for an addendum was to counteract that possibility of a show getting a pass because of a single conversation in a ten year run.
Don't know if that's relevant or not, but I agree that they shouldn't get a pass as a whole. Does the Bechdel test come with some kind of rating system that shows by what margin the test subject passed?
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