Subject: True! That would make sense... (nm)
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Posted on: 2013-04-09 01:14:00 UTC
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A Thought... by
on 2013-04-06 23:54:00 UTC
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What would happen if a Weeping Angel got into PPC HQ?
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This fic just got more complicated. by
on 2013-04-09 08:10:00 UTC
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I'm now going to have to page for a beta reader to make sure I'm not spewing absolute nonsense trying to get the Doctor and my Agents out of their narrow scrapes.
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Oh man. Things just got awesome. (nm) by
on 2013-04-10 03:15:00 UTC
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The Doctor finds his way in after it. by
on 2013-04-07 19:16:00 UTC
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This leads to the most meta DW episode ever.
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I HAVE A SUDDEN URGE TO WRITE THIS. (nm) by
on 2013-04-07 22:15:00 UTC
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YES. DO IT, LILY. (nm) by
on 2013-04-07 23:23:00 UTC
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Here you go. by
on 2013-04-08 00:59:00 UTC
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The Doctor and Clara fall through a plothole into HQ.
It was midnight when she heard it tickling at the corners of her dreams.
Clara Oswald’s eyes flew open as the noise grew louder and louder – that familiar grinding noise that meant adventure was close behind – and she sat up in bed, rubbing the sleep from her eyes. She strode over to the window and opened it, peering out to see her darkened street –
–And a familiar man in a waistcoat and bowtie waving at her from her driveway.
“I don’t recall an arrangement to pick me up at midnight,” Clara remarked once she opened the front door to reveal the Doctor on her doorstep, grinning from ear to ear like the overgrown boy she knew he was (didn’t make him any less awesome or endearing, of course).
The Doctor laughed at her. “Why not midnight? It’s the witching hour, after all. Anything’s possible at midnight! It’s one of my favourite times of the day – well, night – right up there with three o’ clock on Friday afternoons!”
“What’s so special about three o’clock in the afternoon?” wondered Clara as the Doctor skipped back to the TARDIS and opened the door for her.
“Jammie Dodger time, of course,” replied the Time Lord, beaming. “Now come along, we’ve got some things to do – people to see, worlds to save, children to not-walk-away from!” Clara laughed at that; the Doctor grinned at her, before pulling the lever. “Geronimo!”
“So, where are we going?” asked Clara, smiling as the Doctor walked around his console, pulling levers and pushing buttons. The Time Lord did a little twirl, before grinning at her again. “And what’s with the grin? You’re like the Cheshire cat, you are, grinning every time you do something clever.”
“I do clever things all the time.”
“Therefore you never stop grinning, therefore you’ve got a face like the Cheshire cat – can you turn invisible, too?”
“Oh, I wish! That’d be rather handy in a tight spot. Hm, I should look into stealing an Invisibility Cloak or something. Anyway, off we go – we’re just popping next door to Monoceros, to the Snowflake Cluster! I’ve timed it just right so that we can see the breaking of the cluster right from the comfort of the TARDIS –
The TARDIS jolted. The Doctor rushed back to the scanner and the controls, frowning at the screen. “What was that?” demanded Clara. The Doctor paid her no heed as he fiddled with the central computer again.
“No, no, go right, I said, turn right!” muttered the Time Lord.
“What’s right?” repeated Clara. “No, wait, scratch that, what’s left?”
The Doctor looked up at her. “A stretch of spatial-temporal distortion. A rip in the fabric of reality. A volatile gap in the Time Vortex that, last time I came here, was definitely not there.” He paused. “We’re being sucked into a plot hole,” he said rather blithely, before the TARDIS lurched violently again, and the lights went out.
Notes: I'm assuming this plays into the roleplay that's happening with the Weeping Angels already in HQ? I dunno. - The rest of the first part is here: by on 2013-04-08 06:25:00 UTC Reply
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The second part is here: by
on 2013-04-09 03:50:00 UTC
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In which Creepers, Agent Rosalie, and Angels are encountered.
The PPC Wiki page on Agent Rosalie was extremely stubby, so I just took her and ran off in some unknown direction. If anyone has better info on her, please let me know so I can edit. -
I have a question. by
on 2013-04-10 02:18:00 UTC
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What would the PPC do if one of its Agents looked into an Angel's eyes during a mission, but didn't realize/remember what that meant until later? What's the general attitude towards that?
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I don't see how Neuralysation wouldn't help fix them. by
on 2013-04-10 03:02:00 UTC
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Amy didn't realise that she shouldn't look into an Angel's eyes either, so the Agent would suffer the same problems. They could then go to Medical to get the Angel out of their visual centers, or if it was a recent event, wipe their memories of the Angel so they'd delete the metal image.
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Mkay, thanks! (nm) by
on 2013-04-10 03:25:00 UTC
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AAAAH! by
on 2013-04-09 23:07:00 UTC
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Sorry, something about the Doctor freaking out makes me freak out. Ok. Calm now.
Anyway, wonderful second part, and I'm putting together some information on my Time Lady character for you. Hopefully I can make it make sense without giving away spoilers that I don't want to give away...(so redundant. But true.) I should have it ready soon, assuming you still want it. Actually, it should be ready soon whether you want it or not, but... :)
And I'm afraid I know nothing whatsoever about Agent Rosalie, beyond what was covered just now in your story, so I can't help with that.
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It's nice to see bit characters given more appearances. by
on 2013-04-09 20:18:00 UTC
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Is this considered PPC canon (as far as that word goes here) as some sort of interlude, or is it just going to be crossover shenanigans that don't really tie into anything? Because if it's the former, I'm adding your appearance and personality data for Rosalie to her wiki page. She has one sentence for her entire history. That's a problem. She's not even in the Glossary.
It sounded like she had some sort of feud with Eledhwen. Does she? If so, what caused it? That'd be a good bit to link her to other pages.
This was just as fun to read as the last one! I particularly liked the Doctor's reaction to the Creeper exploding.
But where did the Weeping Angel reflection come from? The portal closed before it got into the room, and unless another Weeping Angel was already at their destination, there would have been nothing to reflect.
Since the only Hallway of Mirrors Uncle Google would show me is in World One France, it's not very likely that there'd be a Weeping Angel there already. I may have been overlooking a location from a canon I don't know well, though. -
There are three Angels, remember. by
on 2013-04-09 20:44:00 UTC
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One was in the rickety house. The other is in this hallway. I came up with it after my friend wondered why the DW writers never bothered putting an an Angel in a mirrored room, so either the plothole for that hallway is malfunctioning or it was built like that to disorient Agents in that segment of HQ.
I'm not entirely sure if the blackout is meant to be part of canon, but even so, I would think Eledhwen wouldn't get along with Rosalie because of the Suethor tendency to stick Naiads into Middle-earth, her home continuum. -
Oh, so the Hallway of Mirrors was part of HQ. by
on 2013-04-09 21:59:00 UTC
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That explains it. I thought the "random" setting always just picked a spot from within one of the Protected continua.
But where did the third Angel go? Simple. Wherever the Doctor's going to go next.
If the reflections all turned into Weeping Angels, what happens with reflections that overlap? When a room is full of mirrors, there are going to be reflections, a reflection of those reflections, and reflections of that reflection on top of, but not completely obscured by, yet another reflection.
Would a partial reflection join with another reflection-fragment and spawn a multi-headed Angel? Would the Angel reproductive process cut its losses and just make a small Angel? Is that even how this works?
If enough people set stories to refer to the blackout, it'll probably become canon by default, or at least canon by osmosis. So far, there's one story and a roleplay. Wait, two roleplays. We should spread the word and get more people to make blackout stories.
I was going to write one myself, but it would have involved creating new characters and filling out the personality of one of the Flowers, and I can't do either of those without Permission. That can't stop me from commenting, though! -
LET THERE BE MORE BLACKOUT STORIES. by
on 2013-04-09 23:30:00 UTC
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I think the Doctor was just extremely lucky with the portal generator. Who knows where the random setting would've taken them.
I'm seriously actually just making this up as I go along, so who knows where the third one is lurking. And I do believe there are other beasties hiding in the shadows, too...
That's a good question, but I'm just saying that they're all separate Angels for the sake of creepiness. As far as I'm going with this story, the Angels use the mirrored room to be able to attack even more effectively, since there'd be absolutely nowhere to turn to (that isn't Angel-free). -
But surely... by
on 2013-04-10 08:21:00 UTC
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... it would negate their actual attack. Since there's nowhere that isn't Angel-free, they're under constant observation even by prey actively running away from them.
Yes, it would potentially lead to, uh, breeding opportunities, but that's not actually the primary goal of an individual Weeping Angel...
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But when the prey blinks, all its mirror images blink. by
on 2013-04-10 08:39:00 UTC
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And that gives the Angel and its mirror counterparts the opportunity to snatch them.
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Lucky? by
on 2013-04-10 01:25:00 UTC
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If a "lucky" destination leads to what essentially has become a Weeping Angel breeding ground, I'd hate to see where "unlucky" goes. Inside a star? A gravitational singularity? Sauron's shower?
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Ironic Overpower, blame it. by
on 2013-04-10 01:27:00 UTC
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Now I'm tempted to write about that, some hapless Agent pressing random and getting zapped into Sauron's shower
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Ahh, but... by
on 2013-04-10 02:04:00 UTC
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The real question is: is SAURON in the shower?
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Re: Ahh, but... by
on 2013-04-10 02:23:00 UTC
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You're right! It would be just like Morgoth to steal Sauron's personal shower and use the last of the good shampoo! Or even better, use the last of the good shampoo and fill the shampoo bottle with barbecue sauce! That would be so evil.
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Awesome! by
on 2013-04-08 12:24:00 UTC
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Now I find myself eagerly awaiting more, and I see I am not alone in that.
One thing that I have been wondering for a while, though, is what would happen if a Weeping Angel met something very good at staring (either also from the Whoniverse e.g. Cybermen/Daleks, or something from another continuum)? Would it simply be a matter of no blinking winning the day with ease, or would the tech count as a recording device and make the observer become another Angel? Also, does somebody who becomes an Angel retain their personality, or do they go crazy with hunger? (I must admit that I am guilty of not having seen the episode where the Angels convert people.)
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Hm, well. by
on 2013-04-08 16:59:00 UTC
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I wonder what the hell would happen if it met the Vashta Nerada.
And generally you become an Angel if you look into its eyes because it makes a mental image of the Angel which (after an incubation period) breaks out and kills you. So I assume recording devices in things like Daleks and Cybermen would do the very same.
During the incubation period people hallucinate that they've been turned to stone, and count down to the moment of their death. They're controlled by the Angel in their mind. And afterwards, the creature that escapes them is a full-blown Angel and would probably have no traces of the former person in them.
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This is brilliant. by
on 2013-04-08 07:19:00 UTC
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Honestly, this is one of the most awsome things I have ever seen, ever. You have the Doctor's personality absolutely spot-on, I could see Matt Smith saying those lines in an actual episode.
I really hope the Doctor gets to see at least one of the other Time Lords before being neralized, just so he has that moment where he can finaly stop feeling so bloody guilty and alone. I see it acting out kinda like the Van Gogh moment in the show, when the Doctor shows Vincent how important his art was in the future: a big teary moment with a confused man just trying to do his job being huged and cried on, that unfortunately amounts to nothing in the scheme of things. Still, this is your story to take wherever you wish, and I will patiently wait for the next part. -
Looks like we have consensus: oi, hS, Fish Custard! by
on 2013-04-08 07:21:00 UTC
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Can we borrow Morgan and/or the Fisherman for this story? The Doctor's in HQ and he really needs to see one of them before he gets Neuralysed.
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Morgan says: by
on 2013-04-08 08:19:00 UTC
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"Well... I suppose so. I'm not sure how I feel about that man. I mean, he did blow up my homeworld... but on the other hand, Rassilon wasn't exactly making it a place of happy rainbows.
"Yeah, sure. I'm Me Three right now - black hair, guns and sarcasm. If you need a personality reference, this and this is me when I'm drunk. Not-drunk me is... oh dear. Well, if you still have a copy, the Mary-Sue invasion log is the place to look. The version on the Wiki is locked, though...
"Anyway: sure, happy to. As long as I don't remember this post when it happens."
(And no, I don't feel there's any need to run her by me. Sarcastic, impulsive, obsessed with guns, and prone to blowing things up. And a maudlin drunk)
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There was another Time Lord in the PPC. by
on 2013-04-08 08:14:00 UTC
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Though I don't know if you'd want to use her. She was in one of those stories circa 2008 that loved introducing new characters and never bringing them up again. She called herself The Disentangler, because she worked in DIC, and I assume also because the author was out of original nicknames.
There was another one briefly mentioned in that same story who called himself The Agent, probably for the same authorial reason. He showed up somewhere else, but was just detailed enough to be very bland personality-wise, so I wouldn't recommend using him, but the Disentangler barely had anything shown, so you could make her into whatever sort of character you want.
I'm just saying this for the sake of completeness. It would probably be a better idea to get Morgan or The Fisherman in on the action, but this is a last-second backup in case nobody gives you the go-ahead or you really want another Time Lord for some reason or other. -
I believe Tawaki chose the names deliberately. by
on 2013-04-08 08:35:00 UTC
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Bear in mind that where they're given titles rather than names, a lot of canonical Time Lords just use job titles - the Mad Monk (sort of), the Lord President, the Castellan, the Chancellor... I do think Tawaki made a deliberate choice to use 'generic' nicknames.
In addition to Morgan and the Three 'The's, there's also technically Natalie Green, who isn't noted as being retired. But she was never Gallifreyan. Morgan has her own TARDIS (and was distinctly miffed when other agents started using them) and has previously discussed Gallifrey. I think she's the better choice.
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When I posted that, I didn't know that you'd approve Morgan. by
on 2013-04-08 09:51:00 UTC
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I only brought up those two as a reminder about another few Time Lords in the PPC in case none of the other writers of Time Lord agents said yes to her using theirs, or she wanted to reference/write a scene about an event that would involve multiple PPC Time Lords at once. I don't know where her story is going to go, so I brought them up just in case.
You have a point there with their generic titles, though I don't think the Disentangler would have had that name back home. She could always have changed it, I suppose. I don't remember any Time Lords canonically doing that, but she could always just have been a badfic rescue that didn't have a title before. Not having a backstory or established personality makes many possibilities more plausible.
I didn't really count people who weren't born Time Lord as being Time Lords anyway. Anyone can turn into anything with a disguise generator, and if a beneficial glitch leaves you as the species you'd been disguised as even when you power the generator off, that doesn't make you one of them. You just look like one. -
It's okay, I'm not offended. ;-) by
on 2013-04-08 10:29:00 UTC
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She could always have changed it, I suppose. I don't remember any Time Lords canonically doing that
Interestingly, in The Sound Of Drums, both the Doctor and the Master are said to have chosen their own names. There's apparently a (novel? Comic?) story which shows the Doctor and Susan choosing those names, but of course that's not necessarily canon to the series. You're right that no-one is shown on-screen as changing their 'name' - only as taking a new title (Chancellor/Lord President Borusa) while keeping a unique name.
There's a question, then: is it only exile Time Lords who drop their names and use a title? Because with the exception of the various Castellans (which is a job title, not a name-title), everyone on Gallifrey had a name... and a lot of those off it didn't.
(Exceptions: Morbius the mad scientist, of course... and Romana... but she thought she was sent to the Doctor by the President, and therefore wouldn't have considered herself an exile... I'm sure there's others)
And while Rassilon is clearly a name... what about Omega?
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I say... by
on 2013-04-08 06:56:00 UTC
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...by the looks of it, you've got Eleven down pat. Fezzes off to you, ma'am.
Also: that moment when the Doctor realizes that there are other Time Lords in the PPC. Loved that bit!
On a side note, have you seen the trailer for the next episode? Looks like a nail-biter. -
Oh goody, I was a bit worried about that. by
on 2013-04-08 07:13:00 UTC
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Now I can be more concerned with Clara!
I'm tempted to write a scene where he runs into one of them, but I'd have to ask hS or Fish Custard but seriously though, can you believe the amount of fluffy angst that would happen if the Doctor met Morgan or the Fisherman?
I'm also planning a scene where he meets Makes-Things. :'D
Ooh, I saw the preview in the end of the latest episode. Oh gosh, I'm excited. -
Smells like Das Boot. by
on 2013-04-08 07:53:00 UTC
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And in a Russian submarine, judging by the AKs the sailors wield.
With an Ice Warrior stomping about.
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Smells a bit like Slorp, too, by
on 2013-04-14 09:16:00 UTC
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considering that the Ice Warrior got chained up, broke free, and rampaged through said submarine during a blackout.
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For a time traveler, there can be as many 3:00s as you want! by
on 2013-04-08 02:18:00 UTC
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Will you be writing a Part 2?
Also, will this story take place during the Blackout, when the failure of HQ's shields let the angels in, or shortly afterward, when the shields would be back up?
Or will the Doctor be running into the Weeds while they're trying to set the shields back up? That could be an entertaining scene.
Also, I love how there's a hole in space inside the tunnel through time. That is hilarious. How would that even work? Would the TARDIS drive into it somehow? Does everything that passes by that point in the Vortex fall through the plot hole? How can anything not be there "last time" if it exists at any point as an anomaly within the timestream itself? It's just the right shade of implausible, skirting the near edge but being able to be pushed back to non-critical levels when suspension of disbelief says "This is still Doctor Who. Things work a bit differently here."
...I intended that to be a compliment, but it didn't come out sounding like one. I'll just say something unambiguous for my next sentence. Basically, this was fun to read, and I'd like to see what happens next! -
Jammie Dodgers for everyone! by
on 2013-04-08 02:31:00 UTC
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Working on it. Currently it's set in the power outage, and the Doctor and Clara have encountered my Agents and the question gets asked.
I imagine that the Weeds wouldn't stand much of a chance against the three Angels running through HQ because they don't have eyes to see the Angel with? Although they might have tech that makes up for it, I have no clue.
At the moment I'm thinking that the plothole is just extremely unstable and likes to hop around the Vortex, sucking innocent bystanders into it. Maybe that's how things like Creepers and Angels got in. How would one go about sealing off a plothole like that, though, is anyone's guess. -
Angels turn to stone when observed, not necessarily seen. by
on 2013-04-08 04:16:00 UTC
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According to the Reorganization story, Flowers perceive their surroundings through a combination of light patterns caused by motion and perception of surface thoughts. They'd be able to know that the Angels were there, if only from the telepathic aspect, which would still activate the quantum-lock.
Of course, this raises the question of what happens to the Angels when observed by a Flower. They wouldn't be able to move regardless, but I remember something being said about them not looking like angels when they're able to move around. Since the Flowers don't "see" per se, would the Angels still turn into their sharp-toothed winged humanoid form when quantum-locked by Weeds? I think it's an interesting question.
Well, the shields were down during the Blackout, so HQ might have just started slowly coming apart, creating an increase in plot holes. Since the holes get bigger and nastier when the null zone is broached, I'm pretty certain that's what led to HQ being tangled up with the other worlds in the roleplay. HQ's undefined nature would allow other worlds to imprint on it, and in turn, allow temporary interdimensional transit. In turn, the Creepers and Angels could just come in through the cracks.
Of course, since SeaTurtle started the roleplay's element of dimension juncture, he's got the defining say on why all the Creepers and whatnot showed up, so this is just a theory for now, and one without much precedent at that. Still, I think it sounds pretty plausible, given HQ's nature. -
Minecraft spawn mechanics explained! by
on 2013-04-08 04:53:00 UTC
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As you, Steve? (yes, the question mark is part of the name), move about the world, the game loads and unloads "chunks" of land around you so that your map seems infinite. The chunk is a 16X16X256 piece of land with various things running though its length and depth.
To spawn a monster (a "mobile entity" or "mob" as it were) the game checks to see how much light surrounds the player. To spawn a hostile mob, the game needs an empty space with a light level of 7 or less. This usually is found in the underground areas of the chunk Steve? is in. This is why Minecraft players light up important areas like a Christmas tree: it's to prevent hostile mobs from spawning around them.
In this case, the section of HQ in question was built in a Minecraft cave. When everything went dark, the world's rules still applied and Gaspard got mobbed (heh heh) by a Creeper and a huge spider that spawned nearby. If the lights were still on, that part of HQ would still be secure.
Weeping Angels are just something thrown in for fun. I was thinking of throwing my DIA Patrol team into the Weeping Angel corridor for kicks and giggles later... -
So HQ's interdimensional structure... by
on 2013-04-08 05:12:00 UTC
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...is unravelling because the shields that (for the purposes of narrative simplicity) keep plotholes within HQ stabilised as well as keep nasties out were lowered during the blackout. That particular juncture which was in the Minecraft cave happened to spawn Creepers, while the Angels entered through a destabilised plothole (another destabilised plothole brought in the Doctor).
Therefore for my fic the Doctor has to somehow get power back to HQ as well as remove the Angels before they send Agents back in time. However, I doubt the RAs would be functioning properly if the shields that helped stabilise the plotholes are down, since RAs harness plotholes for travel. I guess the best way to get things done, then, is to just run. -
On the other hand, though. by
on 2013-04-08 21:00:00 UTC
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Let's not try to pin all things down with a single, solid, definite explanation? HQ also runs on the Narrative Laws of Comedy, etc. So I think it'd be safe to say that messing around with portal technology of pretty much any kind is going to have unforeseen side effects. (And I say this, I should note, for at least partially selfish reasons, since Minecraft teleporting is sorta the backstory for one of my agents.)
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In what way is Lily's explanation contradicting your story? by
on 2013-04-08 23:17:00 UTC
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What I saw in "Jof's Origin" was: Cafeteria Workers portal into the future and unwisely leave their portal generator on, Cafeteria Workers invoke Ironic Overpower, portal opens to Minecraft-verse, Enderman comes through, Enderman makes eye contact, Enderman chases Cafeteria Workers down the halls, Cafeteria Workers meet Cadmar, Cadmar talks about pumpkins, Cadmar eats a sandwich, Cafeteria Workers acquire pumpkins, Cafeteria Workers wear pumpkins on heads, and Cafeteria Workers say that Enderman is cute and presumably recruit him.
There's not really anything in there anyone could dispute. Equipment malfunctions, meta-explanations, cameo appearances, and odd recruitment scenarios are all factors the PPC practically runs on. Coupled with that, when something falls through a plot hole, all bets are off as to whether it would actually belong wherever it was sent, and Endermen don't really belong anywhere.
Poor little guys. Even on the floating white islands of their home dimension, all they do is wander around and stare at each other. It's no wonder Jof decided to stay with the PPC, even if he does have to distribute the Cafeteria's notorious pseudo-food.
Now that I think about it, I may be just misinterpreting your grievance entirely. I tend to do that on occasion. -
It's not. by
on 2013-04-09 01:09:00 UTC
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Yeah, that was my point - right now, there's nothing in any of this that contradicts anything else. I'd like to keep it that way. I never specified whether or not Lyn and Mohan left their portal generator on, though. The way I was planning on having it go, canon-wise, was Lyn making eye contact with Jof, and him teleporting "towards" her when she looks away - because of HQ's reality-bending nature, and perhaps because they're already breaking the rules a bit by being in the future, he crosses over the Multiverse and winds up on their side of the divide.
Mostly, I'm just cautioning about laying down one-hundred percent This Is How It Works rules, because it's generally a lot more fun when things have multiple plausible explanations, and leaves more room for future authors' creativity. No grievances here. -
Which is why... by
on 2013-04-09 09:48:00 UTC
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... we have two contradictory theories of the Mirror Multiverse phenomenon (if not more), and two materials (concrit and generic surface) which both make up 'most' of HQ, and absolutely no unity in how the Flowers sense things, or exactly how getting lost in HQ works, or how portals work, or... anything. In fact, I don't think we even know how Flowers move!
And it's awesome that way.
(New theory: maybe the laws of even comedic physics vary depending on what universe you're in. And since HQ is [probably] scattered across all universes, what happens depends entirely on which piece of corridor you're in...)
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Well, yes. by
on 2013-04-08 22:33:00 UTC
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But the traditional RA shouldn't be working in the scenario. Any plothole fuelled tech shouldn't be working, but the narrative laws of comedy could probably make any working portals go extremely wrong.
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Some theorising. by
on 2013-04-09 10:00:00 UTC
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In my head, at least, portals are made by a) generating a plothole and b) stabilising it. This implies that an open portal wouldn't immediately close in the event of power outage - but it would be destabilised. Whether that would lead to immediate closure, alteration of far-end location, change in shape and size, or a 'tunnelling'-type flip to another type of plothole altogether... probably depends on the portal (and the Laws of Narrative Comedy).
I haven't been keeping track of the blackout thread, but I assume the portals which link the various parts of HQ are still active? (I see that they are - though the differences between the sections have become more pronounced). One might hypothesise that this is because those plotholes were created in the Cascade, and so are 'naturally' stable - and, perhaps, that some disguise-generator-esque technology was attached to them to give HQ that uniform 'drab grey' effect we all know and... know.
All of which gives me fantastic ideas for the House Of Rhodes. My original conception was 'a handful of the original corridors left' - now I'm seeing 'sprawling abandoned mishmash of different, battle-scarred buildings', with the occasional 'tunnelling' portal turning into a different sort of plothole altogether. That's... pretty awesome, actually.
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True! That would make sense... (nm) by
on 2013-04-09 01:14:00 UTC
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Would you like a jelly baby? by
on 2013-04-08 02:53:00 UTC
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You deserve a jelly baby. They're delicious, and that was amazing.
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There is, of course, a simple answer. by
on 2013-04-07 15:31:00 UTC
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Portal that sucker back where it came from, this instant.
But since that wouldn't be any fun, I'd say take full advantage of how wonky HQ is and mess with it first. So, okay, it grabs you and you get zapped back in time. Oh noes! Maybe you wind up in another part of HQ that exists in that time... and just wander casually back because it's all hooked up by portal anyway. "Oh hai Weeping Angel. Miss me?"
I also wonder what would happen if you lured one into a Reality Room. Perhaps that stone statue is just a stone statue, which can be destroyed. Or turned into a lawn ornament. As you like it.
Also, if you need a group of people to keep their eyes open, you could do worse than knocking on Ilraen's door. He's got four eyes, after all, two of which can watch behind him. ^_^
Or hey, what about the Flowers? They don't even have eyes to blink.
... In other words, I don't think a single Weeping Angel would stand much of a chance at all. But it would be hilarious.
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According to this article: by
on 2013-04-09 02:28:00 UTC
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Weeping Angels are possible.
So I don't think the Reality Room will be able to destroy a Weeping Angel completely; it may just neutralise the whole send-back-in-time stuff and turn the thing into a vanishing statue that you'll never find in the same place twice. -
I'm just gonna go hide in a corner with a sledgehammer. (nm) by
on 2013-04-10 19:31:00 UTC
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I'm not really sure about that. by
on 2013-04-09 19:47:00 UTC
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Considering that the canonical Weeping Angels retain their minds while being in their stone form, the Reality Room would still be able to throw that out of whack, since stone isn't favorable for high-speed conduction of the sort that would be needed to regulate a sapient being. The statue might or might not dematerialize when it was looked at, but it would essentially be dead even if it could, meaning that it would never be able to shift position again. At that point, you could just disintegrate it and throw the bits into an ocean.
Plus, that article's later claim that positrons are just electrons moving backwards in time throws all of the rest of its scientific credibility into question, but that's not really connected to my other statement. -
Eh, it's hardly a new claim. by
on 2013-04-09 22:11:00 UTC
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I first ran into the antimatter-is-time-reversed-matter in James Blish's Cities In Flight (I think). It makes a certain elegant sense when you think of the spontaneously appearing particle/antiparticle pairs which apparently exist:
(Time runs down the page)
Positron transforms into electron;
reverses time direction
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Electron transforms into positron;
reverses time-direction
It's very neat and elegant. It just doesn't take into account that when we describe time as a dimension, we actually mean 'axis on our convenient graphs'. Space-time is a mathematical construct designed to model the effects of, er, time, on 3-dimensional space. The fact that I can draw a graph of distance versus time (to drop down to a 1-D analogy) doesn't mean an acceleration curve has a physical existence.
But still. It's an idea which I've seen before.
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I don't know what could cause electrons' charge to change... by
on 2013-04-09 23:43:00 UTC
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... but I'm not a particle physicist, so I suppose I should have expected as much.
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+1 for lawn ornament Weeping Angel. (nm) by
on 2013-04-07 19:20:00 UTC
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Totally supporting this. by
on 2013-04-07 16:18:00 UTC
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There are enough species and gadgets in HQ that the Weeping Angels would surely find someone umiliating them enough to die of shame. Or go insane, which is the usual reaction to any living being that stays in HQ for a prolonger period of time.
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An insane Weeping Angel? by
on 2013-04-07 17:52:00 UTC
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I don't know how I feel about that...
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Nothing interesting. by
on 2013-04-07 04:49:00 UTC
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If someone knew what it was it'd be gone pretty quickly, to be honest...
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Bad things by
on 2013-04-07 04:46:00 UTC
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Probably it would eventually get gone, but a lot of agents would be DEEEAAD.Or gone. Pfff, whatever.
On a random note: On the phone the other day with a friend. She mentions Weeping Angels. The phone dies. Tell me this is not weird. -
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on 2013-04-07 17:51:00 UTC
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This is not wierd.
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Brain twin, this has gone far enough. by
on 2013-04-07 18:00:00 UTC
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Seriously, I was going to write that. Then, I scrolled down and found that you had done it first. (...Barrowman? *shakes fist*) (insert new paragraph here, since I'm on my phone, of all things, and it won't let me. Where's Tony when you need him?) Also, I started writing the Adventures. And, of course, I started from the next visitor on the list (Mr. B.) rather than from the beginning. It's quite fun. (Look at me, using code. Bet you a cookie someone can figure it out if they can be bothered to try.) ~DawnFire
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You were? by
on 2013-04-07 23:26:00 UTC
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Really? Ahaha, I'm sorry, brain twin.
And yay, Adventures! I will take that bet. -
Of course I was! (Code-breakers, now's your chance!) by
on 2013-04-08 16:19:00 UTC
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Well, the first bit, anyway.
(Code-breakers: ...to win Karen a cookie!)
(It's ok, I suppose. *pats* At least one of us said it.)
Ok! Now we just need to find someone interested enough to try breaking the code...
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Pff. As if there wouldn't be nasties coming in every day. by
on 2013-04-07 01:56:00 UTC
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That's, like, three-quarters of the DMFF's duties. They're the ones in charge of hunting down and sending out or killing otherworldly life forms or structures that appeared in HQ due to the massive amount of plot holes that keep the place suspended in a null zone.
World One has the most, because HQ is suspended... I'd say above it, but that doesn't really make sense because that would imply a three-dimensional direction when we really need to look in causal directions instead.
Anyway. The plot holes constantly drop things in, and the DMFF has to go around and get rid of them. Sapient and non-omnicidal beings are usually be sent to Personnel and either recruited or neuralyzed and brought home, but if there's some sort of dangerous creature or a potential biohazard, they'll have to send a team of Agents to dispatch it. If they don't, a Land Before Time sharptooth or a clutch of Cthulhuverse Mi'go can come in through a rip in space-time and start wrecking the place.
Of course, External Security would give them all of the rot jobs, because the DES is there to protect HQ from being permanently damaged, invaded, or compromised, and thus would feel they had better things to do than be animal control.
... Okay, about half of that was approximated, but now I really want to write a story about these guys.
Oh, and a final note. If there isn't a plan being made for Weeping Angel disposal by this point in time, one should be made as soon as possible, because SeaTurtle and Pretzel's roleplay let a few of them in during the power outage, and all their agents did was abscond as fast as their legs and the out-of-battle use of a Pokémon move could take them. Not a bad course of action, but that means that they're still in the halls.
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Um. It is? Since when? (nm) by
on 2013-04-07 09:21:00 UTC
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Like I said, I approximated a lot of that. by
on 2013-04-07 12:46:00 UTC
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They don't have a lot of stories, and their purview is incredibly specific if you consider it from a "mission-only" standpoint, because the DIC or DF would take most of their mission fodder. Combine that with the need HQ would have for someone going around and collecting all of the plot hole refugees, and you reach the point where I sort of got carried away.
It still sounds like something that would happen, though. To me, at least. It isn't as though those holes in space-time only drop in teenagers from World One who have fervent love for a particular fandom. If one type of being can come in, they can all come in, from the little chipmunks to the giant mechanical beasts. -
Okay, but... by
on 2013-04-07 15:14:00 UTC
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You might've mentioned you were making things up on the spot BEFORE you started going on like it was all fact. In addition, using the correct verbs to indicate you were only supposing would've been helpful. There's a big difference between "is/are" and "could be."
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Sorry. (hides head in humiliation) by
on 2013-04-07 15:26:00 UTC
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I did in the later part of the post, but I admit it would have been better to have said it before instead.
I saw a few people putting ideas on the Board as if they'd already happened before, but now that I've gone back and check, it wasn't anything of this scale. I didn't want to mislead anyone. Again, sorry. I'll do better to mark ideas from potential PPC events in the future. Embarrassment is counted among the best teachers, after all, and I'm very embarrassed right now. -
Wait what. by
on 2013-04-07 03:21:00 UTC
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What's this about Weeping Angels in the PPC. Somebody needs to link me because AH CRAP I BLINKED --
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It was in one of the topics pretty close to this one. by
on 2013-04-07 14:09:00 UTC
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Well, it's nice to see that you at least managed to hit "post reply" before the Angels got you. Somebody needs to get them out of here before they time-shift another Boarder!
Here are posts from the Weeping Angels scene in the roleplay, for when you finally manage to reach the point in time where they exist.
Finding the Weeping Angels
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It looks something like this. by
on 2013-04-07 01:21:00 UTC
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Wut? by
on 2013-04-07 04:53:00 UTC
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Wut? Blinks. Steals.
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I am loving you right now. (nm) by
on 2013-04-07 03:15:00 UTC
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There are a few scenarios I can think of... by
on 2013-04-07 01:04:00 UTC
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One is that the agents would band together and find a way to kill it. Blasting it with a mineing lazer perhaps? Diamond pickaxe to the face?
Another is that, because of the impossibility and timey-whimyness (totally a word) of HQ, the angel would gorge itself on time energy from the vast amout of time bending and time travel ocurring in HQ every day. It would be like if the angel got into the TARDIS, and would be a very bad thing.
The final senario I can think of is that the angel gets locked inside the pool room and becomes a statue because of the lack of energy. Of corse, this is impossable, as there is TOTALLY NOT A POOL. -
I like the last scenario. by
on 2013-04-07 03:18:00 UTC
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The Angel - which, from what I understand, is a paradox of time and space that should not exist - getting locked in the pool room THAT TOTALLY DOES NOT EXIST. XD
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Actually... by
on 2013-04-07 05:42:00 UTC
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...the Angels are just another type of predator and not a paradox. They feed off potential temporal energy: by sending you back in time, they can nom on the future you could of had.
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A grenade launcher should do the trick. by
on 2013-04-07 14:20:00 UTC
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Weeping Angels? Pass me the AS-24 Devastator. They're going to have a good reason to weep afterwards.
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What, and waste another potential food source? by
on 2013-04-07 14:15:00 UTC
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That'd be like eating a buffet and then when you get home, throwing out all of the food in your fridge because you're still full. Plus, if they send you back in time, that doesn't mean that time stops working on you or anything like that. You still have a future, but it's in the past.
ONWARDS, Aoshima!
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Not just any food source. by
on 2013-04-07 19:17:00 UTC
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The large quantity of energy we're talking about here is a starship's drive core: food for eternity, wot. Killing the others instead of sending them back isn't as wasteful as it first seems, especially when one of them is the Doctor.
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Hmm... by
on 2013-04-07 00:23:00 UTC
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Presumably, rather unpleasant things.