I still like how we always assume

Subject: I still like how we always assume
Author: richardhednil
Posted on: 2015-03-23 21:46:00 UTC

that these bad Mary Sue fanfics are written by girls :P

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Harry Potter fanfic: Tears of an Angel by Jaster on 2015-03-23 20:23:00 UTC Reply

So. Yeah...

Thoughts?

If no one has laid claim, my Agent is rather ready to get back out on the field.

(List of crimes so far: OCxDraco; character revisionism; Mary Sue)

Looks missionable to me. by Neshomeh on 2015-03-23 21:08:00 UTC Reply

It doesn't seem so bad at first, but then the questions start raising their ugly heads. Why, if Rose's family has a tradition of being Gryffindors and her parents were members of the Order of the Phoenix, are they friends with the Malfoys? Since when was Draco ever "sensitive," and how exactly is it "their time at Hogwarts" that has changed him and not, say, the influence of his Death Eater father and their Death Eater friends? Why the heck is Rose allowed anywhere near Grimmauld Place when Harry, Ron, and Hermione were only barely tolerated? I know what Nargles are, but what's a Nargel? Why must the title remind me of Jaycacia Thornbyrd?

... Yeah, have at it, I say.

~Neshomeh

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You're right. by Jaster on 2015-03-23 21:10:00 UTC Reply

Definitely not the most offensible material out there, but I'm rather rusty, so I need something to dig into. She seems to fit the bill enough; especially considering how much character revisionism she does.

I still like how we always assume by richardhednil on 2015-03-23 21:46:00 UTC Reply

that these bad Mary Sue fanfics are written by girls :P

Is it really an assumption? by Neshomeh on 2015-03-23 22:27:00 UTC Reply

I mean, in my experience, the vast majority of Mary Sues are written by female authors. I'm sure you can find some that aren't, but when I hear hoofbeats, I tend to think horses, not zebras. Doesn't Occam's Razor apply here? Where's the line between an assumption and an educated guess?

Just to be clear, this is meant as philosophical thinking aloud, not a demand for answers. {= )

~Neshomeh

You get a gold star by richardhednil on 2015-03-23 22:43:00 UTC Reply

for the most excessive and technical analysis of the word "assume" that I've ever heard.

Welcome to the PPC. by Neshomeh on 2015-03-23 23:03:00 UTC Reply

If excessive and technical analysis of words isn't your thing, you are so in the wrong community. ^_~

(Plus, that wasn't even an analysis. If you want that, I'll have to go study the etymology of the word for a while.)

~Neshomeh

Ooh, ooh, pick me! by Iximaz on 2015-03-23 23:11:00 UTC Reply

*clears throat*

Assume: from the Latin words ad (toward) and sumere (to take).

Its first appearance in English was in the fifteenth century in the form of the Middle English word assumpten, in regards to the assumption of the Virgin Mary.

I haz an internet!

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I demand an Analysis by richardhednil on 2015-03-23 23:08:00 UTC Reply

That is your homework for the evening. Bring me a two page paper on the word "assume"

Aw, crud. by Neshomeh on 2015-03-23 23:13:00 UTC Reply

I'm too ~~lazy~~ old to have homework. Can I give you a bunch of links instead? I've actually already got this one open. I was curious. >.>

~Neshomeh

Fine by richardhednil on 2015-03-23 23:17:00 UTC Reply

But you won't get any extra credit on the next assignment.

To be fair... by domirossi on 2015-03-23 22:26:00 UTC Reply

It's a common stereotype that most fanfiction writers are girls. And these Sues usually tend to be self-inserts, so...
Not truuuuuue by Jaster on 2015-03-23 21:51:00 UTC Reply

I did some dredging of the author's bio and found her blog. Most definitely of the feminine sort.

The only thing I don't know is her age... you agist. :P

I just looked now as well by richardhednil on 2015-03-23 21:54:00 UTC Reply

It says she is 17, and if I am really agist, that would mean I am agist against myself, since I'm also 17. Maybe it's just another part of my own self loathing ;-;

Hey, nothing wrong with being seventeen. by Iximaz on 2015-03-23 22:04:00 UTC Reply

*points to self, then realizes who she's talking about*

Uh, never mind. Carry on. ^^;

Now I'm confused. by Desdendelle on 2015-03-24 10:43:00 UTC Reply

There's an -ist for age now?! Man, I'm only 20 (nearly 21) and I'm already feeling old.

It's mostly in regards to old people. by Iximaz on 2015-03-24 10:49:00 UTC Reply

Here we go, Wikipedia, the bane of teachers and the love of just about anyone looking for information!

Ironic. by Desdendelle on 2015-03-24 23:00:00 UTC Reply

This word is apparently older than me by a good 23 years...

Why is it that almost every Harry Potter MS is named Rose? by richardhednil on 2015-03-23 20:46:00 UTC Reply

Anyway, from what I just read, I've defiantly seen worse, but it looks like it would make a good mission.

Because flower names are pretty. by Cassie on 2015-03-24 00:56:00 UTC Reply

And it's keeping a theme of sorts... Harry's mother was Lily, his aunt was Petunia, so Rose is another in the list of flower names for the family.

Why couldn't they chose Tulip? by [EvilAI]UBEROverlord on 2015-03-24 02:30:00 UTC Reply

Or Violet. They could also use Amaranth, Azalea, Daisy, Holly, Iris, Jasmine, etc.

More flower/plant names! by Neshomeh on 2015-03-24 05:21:00 UTC Reply

Because why not? I like plant names. Shush. >.>

Acacia (hello, agent!)
Angelica
Aspen
Basil
Belladonna
Burdock
Carnation
Cassia
Chamomile
Chestnut
Chicory
Clary (I used this one for a halfling D&D character once)
Clove
Clover
Columbine
Crocus
Cyperus/Cypress/Cyprus
Dahlia
Damiana
Dandelion
Daphne
Dill
Dittany
Dock
Durian (For all that's holy, don't name your character this unless you're being intentionally cruel! {X D )
Echinacea
Eglantine (bonus points if you remember Mrs. Price from Bedknobs & Broomsticks)
Ephedra
Eugenia
Fern
Forsythia
Foxglove (hello, 'nother agent!)
Gardenia
Gentian
Geranium
Germander
Ginger (hello, yet another agent!)
Hawthorn
Hazel
Heather
Hemlock
Henna
Hibiscus
Honeysuckle ("Honeysuckle Weeks" is the real name of a real actress; she plays Sam in Foyle's War)
Hyacinth
Ivy
Juniper
Laburnum (gosh, we do have a few flower-named agents, don't we?)
Laurel
Lilac
Linden
Lobelia
Lucerne
Lupin
Magnolia
Marigold
Marjoram
Melilot
Melissa
Mignonette
Mimosa
Nigella
Olive
Orchid
Peony
Primrose (it's still got "rose" in it, though)
Privet (haha, I dare you)
Prunella
Rowan
Rue
Saffron
Sage
Sorrel
Tansy
Thistle
Valerian
Vervain
Willow
Yarrow

And that's just what I can come up with looking through the index of my herbs book, and a few off the top of my head, leaving out anything I know already belongs to a character in the Potterverse. Some of 'em could even work for a male character.

~Neshomeh

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Because it sounds too much like 'Two-Lip'? by Iximaz on 2015-03-24 03:18:00 UTC Reply

Chrysanthemum is a nice name, and easily shortened to Chrystie.

I have seen way too many Sues named Holly, Violet, and Jasmine, as well as Lily/Lilly. I would send out a general plea for originality, but that's when you wind up with names like Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way.

Is it Ebony? by [EvilAI]UBEROverlord on 2015-03-24 03:26:00 UTC Reply

Not Eboby or Enoby or Ebory? And I don't think it is all that original. I mean the "relationship" between Tara/Raven is almost a ripoff of the Tara/Raven relationship from Teen Titans Animated Universe. At least that's what I thought when I read bits of it.

Her name is Rose? KILL IT WITH FIRE! by Iximaz on 2015-03-23 20:33:00 UTC Reply

~~No it's not like I'm biased~~

Ugh, that title makes me want to retch.

Just in the first chapter she has her OC house-elves acting OOC; they don't say 'milady', they say 'miss' or 'mistress'.

But who is this chick and why is Harry staying at her house and not the Weasleys'? What is this what is going on aaargh!

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Rose? Rose?! Exterminate! Exterminate! (nm) by Dalek Caan on 2015-03-23 21:43:00 UTC Reply

EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! (nm) by The Host of Daleks on 2015-03-23 22:53:00 UTC Reply

EX-TER-MINATE? by DALEK SEK on 2015-03-23 23:13:00 UTC Reply

TOLERATE! by DALEK FAUST on 2015-03-23 23:14:00 UTC Reply

That is not Dalek! Exterminate! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! (nm) by Dalek Caan on 2015-03-23 23:26:00 UTC Reply

*grins deviously* by Rainbow Dash on 2015-03-23 23:45:00 UTC Reply

GLUE FACTORY! GLUE FACTORY! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! (nm) by Dalek Caan on 2015-03-24 03:12:00 UTC Reply

Oh MLP fandom. Never change. by World-Jumper on 2015-03-23 23:25:00 UTC Reply

No matter what we do by richardhednil on 2015-03-24 00:04:00 UTC Reply

It always comes back to My Little Pony.
Oh my god. by Iximaz on 2015-03-23 23:26:00 UTC Reply

*tears up when she sees pony!Rose*

CURSE YOU, JUMPER!

Aw, there, there. by World-Jumper on 2015-03-24 10:50:00 UTC Reply

There's no reason to cry. In this world, she is still traveling with the Doctor. See, look! It's canon! So, nothing to be sad about.

You know... SPOILERS FOR SEASON FIVE

I am really looking forward to what they do in the 100th episode. They have said that Dr. Whooves would become even more canon (though not full canon, as the BBC has not given permission) and join in antics with other background ponies. I hope for the best in that episode.

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Words cannot describe how happy I am. (nm) by Iximaz on 2015-03-24 11:02:00 UTC Reply