Subject: He's not actually a harpooner
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Posted on: 2018-11-26 02:01:00 UTC
He's, at the most, the guy with the lance. Harpooner sits next to him, hits the whale, gets in close, and he tries finishing it off.
Can't recall if he ever throws a harpoon. Hm. He might, at the end of the book.
Queequeg or such might fit that more, being that he's one of the harpooners.
Caster of course, fire to the face tends to work on most people.
Noble Phantasm: Well, Darquesse could be it, letting loose the alter-ego. Unfortunately, she wondered off into the dimension of the Faceless Ones.
But my brother had some interesting ideas, chief among them Agatha Heterodyne and Bugs Bunny. No idea what class either of them would be, though.
... in our lives.
Ladies and Gentlemen of the PPC, I wish to present to you... Jeanne Alter Santa Lily!
Also known as: An absolutely adorable smol ball who is this year's Fate/Grand Order Event Santa. Today was Day One of the event and I'm already half-tempted to ditch Cú and Tamamo-no-Mae for this little bundle of joy.
I think Illya might be as good as a solution. With Herakles at her side at any moment she's not bonding with the other members of her family
Beowulf's Noble Phantasm is, surprisingly enough, *not* Grendel's arm. He does, however, throw his swords away and start wrastling people to death - at least, that's what he does in Fate/Grand Order. Also, fun fact about Beowulf - he's actually a very reasonable Berserker, due to his absolutely staggering Madness Enhancement rank of... E-.
I told Phobos that Beowulf's Noble Phantasm should be that he gets uber-powerful if he gets naked. I'm pretty sure that was in the story. And if it wasn't, it was definitely in the recent-ish horrible CGI mess of a film adaptation. ^_^
~Neshomeh
In that case, strike him from the record. He shall henceforth be replaced with all the sons of Feanor to be summoned sequentially as a single Berserker Servant.
-Phobos
... but she's still a Feegle; I'm sure I could persuade her to class as Berserker.
...
Does this make the Masterharper our new Gonnagle?
hS
Robinton has Zair. The Feegles have Hamish.
Do we now have a tiny, angry blue dragonrider?
"Crivens!"
hS
Which I don't think even summons a Grail properly... F/SF is super weird. It's basically Mages in America seperate from the Association copying the Ritual/War from data collected during the 3rd HGW... But they didn't copy it 100% right, so they can summon bizarro servants.
And the first time it's a fake war and then it's a real war that DOES summon a girl... I dunno. Haven't read it, and it's by the guy who wrote Baccano! and Durarara. Convolution is a specialty.
Would y'all please stop overthinking this? {= P
~Neshomeh
If I win, I am now wishing for a mint chocolate chip ice cream cone and I'm not sharing. {= P
~Neshomeh
I bet they do.
The Grail War is over. Let the Ice Cream War begin.
hS
Where Fujimura initiates a war for the "Tiger Grail."
It's a fighting game, and you can play as Saber wearing a lion costume in the expansion. Yes, this is real. No, I'm not making it up. Yes, it's a parody featuring chibi versions of the characters.
No, it wasn't localized. :-(
The Grail is corrupt. No wish would really be free of this. For that matter, it isn't the Grail that wants to manifest itself.
The explanation is spoilers for Heaven's Feel, so I don't really want to give it unless you're sure you want it (because you don't want to wade through a long Visual novel or wait for the rest of the Heaven's Feel movie trilogy to come out), but TL;DR I wouldn't wish on the Grail if I were you.
But I remember that Grand Order's big organization, Chaldea, was created thanks to funds and means its founder secured thanks to a wish to the Grail he managed to not duck up.
Unless you count what happened after him and his Servant got their wish without immediate monkey paw effect...
But if that's the case, firstly, I don't know how old Chaldea is, and secondly, I'm almost certain GO is set in an AU. Which means that it's irrelevant: The Grail may never have been corrupted in that universe.
In the prime Fate timeline, however, The Grail is absolutely corrupt. Even if Kiritsugu hadn't won, and the wish had been more achievable by peaceful means, the Fuyuki Grail can only destroy.
Almost all Fate properties are in some variant alternate universe. But also keep in mind the grails in FGO are very different. For starters there are a ton. Some are more corrupt than others and require cleansing others are fine as is.
For example Fuyuki was extremely corrupted, which is why there was only one non-corrupted servant (aside from Mash and any the PC brings) in that entire singularity. Orleans was also particularly corrupted (hence Jalter's Existence), but Okeanos was not corrupted.
The corrupted Grails in those cases were due to those who wished on them, not the actual Grails themselves. Orleans was corrupted because of Gilles making the wish, while Fuyuki was corrupted by Saber Alter.
... I think you're reversing cause and effect in Orleans.
I'm assuming we're talking about the Fuyuki Grail, post-IIIrd War. Other AU Grails aren't necessarily the same, although I'd ask the Fate Experts.
Have either some form of corruption or are at least Monkey's Paw like wishes.
Apocrypha's Grail was fine, right?
There was the Fate/Apocrypha grail war where there were two teams each having one of the seven standard servants (one for each team). There was also the Extra/Extella versions where there was no particular limit to the servants summoned, but that involved the Moon Cell. Then there are also the Grand Orders which allow multiple servants of any class.
However, the teaming up in a Grail War would increase the likelihood of a Ruler getting involved, especially if it was to overthrow the Grail War System.
Or is it more of a 'bad/interesting/Dwarf-Fortress!Fun' thing?
Because I know nothing about this whatever-it-is except what's been in this thread.
hS
Are your Rulers somehow powerful enough to avoid being a) picked up by both feet and b) headbutted into submission? And on the arbitrary assumption that the clan were able to take it down, what would happen next?
I have no idea what an Apocrypha situation is, but it does sound like something we'd do.
hS
Are we using the Fuyuki Grail War system? Because if not, the summoning conditions can be changed.
That if the Grail thinks that one of the masters is cheating, it tends to fight back, which means that in our PPC Grail War we met get a Ruler Class summoned which throws everything for a loop.
... I say 'entertainment'.
Also: you say 'ruler', my Feegles say 'Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! Nae master!'
^_^
hS
There's a phenomenon in Civ 5 called the Carpet Of Doom, in which a high-level AI builds up a frighteningly vast military and shows up with it basically covering most of the map. I think this is what's happening.
Also, you're more vulnerable to teleporters than you think. Your clan might not be bound to the rules, but your Kelda is. You're going to need at least some manner of bodyguard, and against a Ruler class, you might not be able to muster enough defence to ensure the Kelda's safety.
... something about the way you describe Nune makes me feel like instead of the classic Presence Concealment, or perhaps in addition to it, he would have the Espionage skill - you may notice him, but after all, he's just a geek in a pinstripe suit. What's he gonna do?
As Shiro points out, there's no rule that says you HAVE to kill the other Masters, and as for the Servants, they're spirits. At worst it's banishment back to wherever they came from. I reckon there's a song for that, so it doesn't have to be cruel or bloody. ^_^
That thing you point out could be a problem, in which case the only solution is, again, Shiro's. That's fine, too.
~Neshomeh thinks winning by compromising your principles is actually losing. Sorry, Ahriman; sorry, Kiritsugu.
You don't have to kill the masters, but the servants (at least, those copies of the heroic spirits) have to be killed. Otherwise the war can't function.
... in the Servant Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart is. Although perhaps his music might even be powerful enough to count as a sonic attack, if push comes to shove, as that's how I interpret Mozart's attacks.Of course, it might be that I don't want Robinton compared to Shakespeare because how dare he do that to Berserker!
I've got three choices in mind here:
-Harry Dresden as Caster class Servant.
--Revan from Star Wars as a Saber, (although he might fit in another class. Maybe Caster because Jedi, or Rider for the armies he commanded...)
-Persona 5 Protagonist, with Assassin as probable fit (maybe Caster to account for the Personas, dunno if he could fit other classes...)
... you tell that last to Karna and his Noble Phantasm.
Caster Angleton would be pretty safe, Beserker Angleton would ruin the place.
Nagisa Shiota from Assassination Classroom - as an Assassin, obviously. Both a sweet kid and an incredible assassin, and, I recall, an excellent teacher.
If I were to restrict myself to Fate, I'd summon Karna, a Lancer Class servant.
Outside of Fate, though, I could have some real fun. Hiccup Haddock, Rider Class Servant from HTTYD. Riding Toothless the Night Fury as his Noble Phantasm, most servants will only get to hear the telltale shriek before they get blasted.
That Bathory and Charmilla are also summonable, despite one being the inspiration for the other. Also, multiple versions of Arturia have been summoned in the same class, so I'd say it would be totally possible to summon different versions of the same character.
... of these characters don't exist, but that they're so similar as to be discounted if we're supposed to be using characters of our own thoughts, rather than just borrowing ones from Fate. After all, the Bathories and Carmilla are all very much related, and all acknowledge this. Repeatedly. Usually by trying to stab each other.
I summon Basil of Baker Street!
Even though, as memory serves, he lives... in Sherlock's wall, actually, he's so linked with Sherlock that you could basically say he is Sherlock as a mouse. Then again, you could go ahead and summon Sherlock as a mouse, given that i think that even as a Servant, he'd get squished.
I summon the Champion of Slaanesh and Lord Commander of the Emperor's Children, Lucius the Eternal! His disgusting personality will ensure that anyone who kills him will take some pride in it, meaning he will possess them and become my servant. All he has to do is lose all the time and I'll win.
He would likely be a Saber given his status as master swordsman, tho Assassin is also a possibility given how he can potentially 'kill' anyone that kills him.
That characters existing in the Fate Universe as servants are probably off the table. Otherwise I would go Arthur/Artoria as Saber or Gilgamesh Archer.
While I want to say Dumbledore or Gandalf as a Caster, I feel like it would be against my actual fighting style. So I think I'm going to go with Yoda as Saber (though he could be summoned as a Caster as well)
I would be trying for Artoria - Saber or Mordred - Saber, though Gilgamesh - Archer.
Though now that I'm thinking about it I might go with Ryougi Shiki Saber or Assassin (unless that's cheating since she was featured in FGO)
Having consulted the local Fate nerds in the Discord chat (bless ya, Thoth and Granz and Remnant), it has been concluded that he would either be a Berserker or a Rider, with him being kinda nuts and all and also having a ship.
I'm not sure how this setting works at all, and whether or not a theoretical Rider Ahab would have the entire Pequod. But that sounds mad cool.
He could be a Lance-class Servant if you count a harpoon as a lance.
-Phobos
Given that harpoons are typically thrown Archer is also possible.
He's, at the most, the guy with the lance. Harpooner sits next to him, hits the whale, gets in close, and he tries finishing it off.
Can't recall if he ever throws a harpoon. Hm. He might, at the end of the book.
Queequeg or such might fit that more, being that he's one of the harpooners.
Good grief. There's a whole chapter dedicated to him making a harpoon for himself, and it's real cool.
Pardon me!
Probably not archer-et, still, but.
Medusa doesn't actually ride anything in her legend so I'd say it's still a possibility.
Sure, she doesn't ride anything, but she is the mother of Pegasus, which I'd wager is probably a more intense connection than Ahab has with a harpoon?
Ahab's last act was stabbing the White Whale with a harpoon so Lancer is viable.
Realistically Ahab would be Avenger first (Fate/Strange actually has Ahab saying he would be an Avenger), Rider (all seafaring servants are Rider Eligible), Berserker, or Lancer
He's definitely Avenger Class.
We talked about it for a while, and multiple people pinged him pretty quickly as an Avenger.
One of the Manga (I think it was Prototype) he was an Avenger Servant.
Um... alright. Let's see... actually, I have a question - does a character's repute in our world make a difference in their power? Or perhaps their repute in their home universe? Because that makes a difference and the latter probably nerfs all Assassins to oblivion. Even moreso than usual, anyways.
If their reputation does matter, then what universe are we fighting in? Or are the battlegrounds designed that each Servant gets the full power offered by their reputation at the seat of their power?
Jehovah
For real tho, the Raven King from Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell. Caster class.
There are canonical servants from works already (Holmes, Moriarty, Phantom of the Opera, Frankenstein) but you could just summon a different version of them.
For example, I could summon the Holmes from Sherlock, or the one from Elementary. Or I could summon Sherlock Gnomes.
And his trusty sidekick, Wilson?
... Actually, I have no idea how that would work. And he'd be a pain in the ass anyway. {= /
~Neshomeh
Most intellectuals are summoned as the Caster Class, see Edison, Tesla, and Sherlock Holmes (When not a Ruler).
How does that actually manifest as useful abilities? He can diagnose the other players' non-existent illnesses really well, and then what? Attack with his cutting sarcasm?
... Wait, that might work. Part of his whole thing is knowing right where to poke a sharp verbal stick when he wants to. Give that magical empowerment, and it could cripple the opposition. And then the playing field is, um, equally abled? {= )
~Neshomeh
Another 40k character. Cypher to be exact. Definitely an Archer as he focuses on wielding ranged weapons...twin pistols, one bolt and one plasma. He also has a C'tan phase knife, and doesn't. He kinda broke physics with it
Confession: I know next to nothing about Fate beyond what Thoth's told,me and I've watched maybe two episodes od UBW. So feel free to correct me.
Because in that case, I'm going to call on the Bad Wolf entity from Doctor Who. Caster class, natch.
But what form would they take? Would they be Rose during her time with 9, Rose in the anniversary special, or would it manifest as the words 'Badwolf' randomly popping up everywhere?
...Rose after absorbing the Time Vortex at the end of the first season. "I am the Bad Wolf. I create myself."
Would probably be the Foreigner Class. Which their class requirement is defying the madness upon coming in contact with an "Elder God"
Foreigner it is, then? I'm afraid my main knowledge of Fate is from popcultural osmosis. :P
I am more familiar with Fate and the Nasuverse than many, and even I didn't know about Foreigner. And those classes don't usually participate in a Grail War (although there's nothing that says that they can't, AFAIK...).
I just read Phobos' original post. He specifically asks which of the "seven standard classes" they are. So Foreigner is disqualified.
Or would you suggest something else?
The only alternative I could think of is Beserker (on account of the fact that Bad Wolf is very much Rose sacrificing sanity for power. But it feels wrong.
I'll go with a 40k character. I'm trying to summon Shas'O Kais, Tau one man army. I'm pretty sure he has the Archer class.
