Subject: Yeah, Christianity ripped it off from Judaism, I think.
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Posted on: 2021-01-15 09:44:49 UTC

I promise I was aware of this, I was just snarking. ^_~

On checking, Wikipedia claims Christian numerology actually had its start in Pythagorean philosophy! But it also barely makes passing mention of Jewish numerology at all, so I'll take it with a pinch of salt (NaCl, so 11-17, which spells out KQ - 'King Queen', refering to salt's position as the monarch of all minerals).

I would like to imagine that nobody actually uses words of the King James Bible to do their numerology, but you know they do...

I know it's a translation artefact, but I do love the image of a bunch of scholars sitting down and earnestly discussing the esoteric symbolism of the number -3761.

On the Oral Torah: obviously 'oral tradition gets written down' is a tale as old as, er, writing (see: Gilgamesh, Homer), but is Judaism the only case where long-term oral tradition was both written down, and still used as teachings, rather than stories? I know Islam has recorded oral tradition, but I think the hadiths were recorded fairly quickly. Similarly, the Christian Gospels weren't written 'live', but all come within 2-300 years of the events. The Jewish timespan is much longer than that.

... turns out a very brief check shows I'm wrong. Early Buddhism followed exactly this approach, and it looks like the Sikh Guru Granth Sahib may have elements of the same thing, though tweaked by being written by the human gurus personally, and by being not just a teaching but the official teacher and Guru of Sikhism (which remains one of my favourite facts). And, um, the Qu'ran was carried orally for centuries before it became economically viable to write it out much. It's still a fascinating trait, and not the least lessened by occuring more than once.

... I've just discovered that Catholicism claims it has an unwritten oral tradition which has been passed down continuously from Christ to present-day Bishops. That, um... seems unlikely.

I wonder if there's any actual data on the accuracy or otherwise of oral transmission of traditions? I know most cultures claim to do it perfectly, but it seems very hard to prove - and the ones who are most dedicated to the idea of getting it right are also the ones most likely to destroy evidence of getting it wrong. It would be nice to know if, for example, the tales collected by the Brothers Grimm go back centuries or are just 50 years older than the written form.

hS

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