Subject: Discussion topic: On Aging
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Posted on: 2012-05-27 17:36:00 UTC
This is inspired by a conversation that happened in the IRC last night. Without wanting to rehash the whole thing, basically what happened is the topic of newbie integration came up, and I ended up talking about how my way of relating to the PPC community has changed as I've grown older, both relatively as a member of the group and in general. This also hearkens back to the conversation I had with Kaitlyn over the "Swansong" stuff. I'm now curious about other people's experiences with this sort of thing, so here we are.
Let me start off by relating my own experience—in a bit LOT more detail than last night, jeez this got long—and then I'll ask some specific questions to give you guys something to work with.
For reference, I'm going to be 27 on June 11, and I've been here about nine years. I think I joined in 2003, when I was seventeen, but I don't remember exactly, and there was a period of inactivity between my first post and me actually being seriously involved that felt like a long time, but I have no idea what it really was. So... it's complicated. I may have actually first posted as early as late 2002; I just couldn't tell you. But, I know for sure I was active as of sometime in 2003, when a notice about a questionable Farscape fic was posted to the old Odd Lots main page and I started (but never finished) sporking it with Artemis, so that's how I'm counting.
Nine years is a pretty long time, especially online. I've been through some important life changes since I joined—the most recent of which being that I got married to Phobos. I've gone from being a kid fresh out of high school to being a married woman with a job and rent and everything. I'm not the same person I was when I joined, and I'm not the average PPCer anymore.
The average PPCer has also changed a bit since I joined, in a few ways, but in general it's always been school-aged people who are involved in fandom. It used to be mainly high schoolers involved with Lord of the Rings; now it's mainly collegians involved with all manner of things. Possibly Hetalia is most prevalent, but maybe I'm only getting that because the Hetalians are loudest; I dunno.
Anyway. Point is, any way you slice it, I'm not in either one of those categories anymore. I'm well out of school, and fandom has taken a back seat for me. I just can't summon up the same energy for it that I used to—you won't see me talking about sporking my eyes out at badfic anymore, you won't see me playing as canon characters in RPs, I'll probably never finish that HP fic I swore many times that I would finish, etc.
I still retain a somewhat fanatical devotion to LotR canon, such that I'm a lot more nervous than excited about the Hobbit movie coming up, but in that case we're talking about something I grew up with from a pretty young age, not more than eleven, maybe as young as nine. It's part of my outlook, I'd go so far as to say part of my soul, in a way that not even Pern or Harry Potter can match, not even Farscape, though I love all three of them to death. It's not quite the same. Middle-earth was there for me when my parents were getting divorced, and I think the message that just one little person, like a hobbit, can muddle through and do amazing things even with the world falling apart around them really struck home and held me up at that time. Middle-earth is also something I share with my dad, who was the one doing the leaving in more ways than one, and that mattered. Peter Jackson using it for cheap one-liners and physical comedy... no. Just no. -_-; For those completely unobjective yet important reasons, I will never ever be okay with people mucking with Middle-earth.
My fanlove for LotR is what brought me here, by way of OFUM, and the shared experience of going through the release of the three movies and then the upwelling of awful, awful fic is the thing that most attracted me to this group. We went through some stuff, man. It was NEW then. I'd barely even heard of Mary Sues, and while I've never quite hated them, the bad writing and failure to respect the object of one's fandom was bad enough to make me want to participate in sporking stuff. It took me a few years to figure out how, through some trial and error (mostly error) using myself as a self-insert agent. I also had trouble because I was so very much a LotR fan that I couldn't bring myself to touch it, not even to spork badfic, because I was pretty sure it would be sacrilege. I'd just discovered there were people who knew WAY more about Arda than even I did, and it was a little intimidating, especially since I was also realizing that my one LotR character, who I'd used in a role-play once, was probably a bit of a Sue. (I'm better now.) But, in about 2006 it all started to come together when Twiggy mentioned there was an Andalite bit character in a fic she was sporking, and would anyone like to adopt him?
My PPC writing career really launched when I finally finished my first solo mission with Nume and Ilraen, in 2007, after starting to spork one story and then changing my mind and deciding to start the spin-off with a different one. Mind you, that's four years after I joined; I was about 21. I was involved in lots of stuff on the Board and AIM-based PPC RPs with Blayze, Hawkelf, and Oracle, and sometimes Kippur and Gen and others, but as story-writing goes, I was a late bloomer, and I was going to college by then. I only managed one more story, the one I'd originally started with, before 2008 hit.
2008 on the PPC Posting Board was some more stuff, man. Those of us who were around at the time have something in common that we'll never have with people who weren't there. It was kind of a big deal, and its like will not come again. I didn't get to resolve my reactions to all that until summer of 2009, when I graduated from college and was finally able to make some headway on "Gestalt Therapy," which got released later that year.
Moving to Chicago, finding work, and getting settled in a new life put a damper on things for a while, but I had sort of a Renaissance in late 2010 and 2011—I finally had a decent job and lots of free time not spent being stressed over not being able to afford Internet or, y'know, rent. I also had access to Tungsten Monk, who is pretty much awesome, and we have plans—witness "The Dark Side" and "Ring Child." I also did some co-writing with other people. My agents' timelines got quite a bit longer.
Then there was a wedding and a honeymoon, and here we are almost a year later.
THE POINT IS, most of the stuff in that really long, possibly uncomfortably personal ramble is stuff that I don't share with most of the current actives here. Many of you aren't diehard Tolkien nuts; to many of you, the existence of the Peter Jackson films was already old news when you started doing the fandom thing. Most of you are younger than I am, and in a different phase of your life. Very few of you have been here anywhere near as long as I have. The ways in which we can relate are really quite limited, and I've had to come to terms with the fact that I can't participate in this group in the same ways I used to, because I'm in such a different place from most of the rest of you.
This hasn't been an easy adjustment to make, of course, but at the end of the day it's just facing facts: I'm different. It's not for me to expect the new members to behave like I am now; it's for me to realize that just because I can't participate in the same way doesn't mean I should expect everyone else to stop freaking out at the badfic, or getting into long rambly conversations about Hetalia pairings or Madokaism, or whatever. That stuff doesn't thrill me now, but that's because I've changed, not because of any fault on anyone's part.
The main reason I'm still here is because I'm not done telling stories about my agents. I don't plan on quitting until I am. Secondary to that, I feel like my experience and sense of the history of the community is a valuable thing that I can still contribute. I've also found a happy place on the wiki, where I can organize things forever so it's easier for everyone to find and understand all this stuff PPCers have made. I've come to realize that my primary role in the group is no longer to participate for my own sake, but to make sure that everybody else can do it in a way that's fun and safe for them, and true to the intent of the original PPC.
I mentioned in the IRC that I feel a sense of isolation because of this, and it's true. I've never really been very good at deep friendship—this is some of the most personal stuff I've ever shared with any PPCer I'm not married to—and most of the people I was even remotely close to when I was at my most excited about fanstuff have moved on. Like I said, it's not an easy adjustment, particularly for me because I feel like I had such a short time to be fully involved between a late start and life getting in the way, and now the moment is gone. I'm getting used to the idea, though. It's bittersweet, but not painful; and I can still feel a sense of inclusion and involvement with my particularly good friends who are in similar places, like Tungsten and July.
And now I guess I'm reaching out to the rest of you who are oldbies, or are just older in general. We talk a lot about newbies and integration, but I'd like to take this thread to talk about oldbie integration. I feel like a lot of us "age out" without necessarily wanting to—lurkers, I'm looking at you—and I wonder if we can't help prevent some of that by talking about this stuff and helping each other find new ways to relate and participate as we get older. Because, as we're so fond of telling the newbies, we want everyone to be able to have a good time here.
So, here are my questions:
1. What brought you here? What made you connect to this community? How have your feelings changed over the years?
2. What stuff have you gone through, man? I wanna know. What did you bond with people about in your heyday?
3. What keeps you here now, even if you mainly just lurk? What do you get out of it, or hope to get out of it?
4. How do you feel about the latest generation of PPCers? Do you have trouble relating to their interests, such as fandoms, and to their place(s) in life?
5. How do you think you could get more involved, if you want to? How can we help?
And that's enough to start with, I think. I should add that newbies are welcome to comment if you want to, just please stay on topic.
~Neshomeh