Subject: I had an epiphany about TVT after reading this.
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Posted on: 2012-05-29 15:23:00 UTC

TVTropes is like the Movies for us, I think: it brings the fandom to a much wider audience, breaking it down into the simplest possible terms for easy access. Most of the main ideas are still there, but the finer details get lost along the way thanks to being forced into a new medium whose rules weren't designed with the original in mind.

There's nothing specifically wrong with coming to a fandom this way, but for every person who gets really interested in reading the books and learning the background and everything, there are ten who aren't. The main difference between people who join a fandom via the Movies and ones who don't is that people who come from the Movies aren't necessarily big readers, and that goes for TVT, too, given the breaking things down into easily digestible nuggets of text that can safely go in one ear (eye?) and out the other.

That's where the learning curve for the PPC gets really steep: we are HEAVILY based on reading, and we expect the information to be retained, internalized, learned. That's fine for the ten percent who are readers and can easily absorb information from text, but for the other ninety, it's an issue.

I don't really know what we can do to make it better, apart from approaching people with a bit of patience and understanding for the fact that they may be trying to do something they aren't necessarily used to doing. And let's not forget that some people aren't big readers because reading is actually difficult for them, in the same way that math is difficult for some people (numbers tend to float right out of my head; I can't keep track of them on my own), or the way that social cues/interactions are difficult for others. That doesn't mean they should avoid doing those things, though, especially if they're interested in pushing themselves to grow.

That said, I think we definitely need to make it clear that our expectations for people who want to write PPC stuff involve lots of reading, and that it's going to be challenging for people who aren't used to it. We shouldn't lower the reading level of the wiki or anything else indefinitely, because ultimately it won't help anyone. A certain level of reading comprehension is necessary for writers. And we still don't have to give them Permission unless they're really up for it.

'Course, if they just want to hang out, that should be okay. If rule-breaking occurs due to lack of reading comprehension, appropriate sanctions can happen, but otherwise I think it isn't worth getting stressed out over. My impression has been that most of the ninety percent of non-readers who show up here quickly realize they're in over their heads and fade away within a month or so, and we're left with the ones who are really determined to stick it out for one reason or another. If we ask questions and find out why that is, then we can use that information to work with them in the most effective way.

The biggest impression I'm getting from this thread is that we all need to work on getting to know people as people again—not just the latest new screen name that doesn't get it. That's all I got. My hope is that looking at TVT in a new way will make its existence easier to bear, easier to respond to without so much worry.

Also, I realize this is a pretty narrow response to a pretty broad post, July, so I'm sure I've overlooked points you had that might be relevant, or other things you might have wanted to see answered. Apologies in advance! Let me know what I've missed and I'll cover it. {= )

~Neshomeh

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