Subject: I have an epilouge to my Apocalypse fic!
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Posted on: 2010-07-11 10:55:00 UTC
It's positively diabolical.
Subject: I have an epilouge to my Apocalypse fic!
Author:
Posted on: 2010-07-11 10:55:00 UTC
It's positively diabolical.
Will FanficLand be re-opening for business again this year?
If I don't try and update as we play, I can do it a lot easier. Would everyone be okay with that? Or at least, everyone who's reading this particular post?
(I've already written out the opening post for the 2010 Contest, so it looks likely to go ahead)
hS
But I can't imagine anyone will mind; as long as we can see last year's work on FfL and this year's stuff on the Board, nothing will get lost.
Should I make a new thread on the first page to ask?
I love Fanfic Land, and it was last July, wasn't it? Eeeeeeexcellent.
Excuse me, I'm off to dig out and dust off LAdy cyskia and HonestCritic from my Alter-Egos box :D
It's positively diabolical.
I'll go through and add a note about how the theory is regarded in the real world.
It's not like I've made an idiot of myself on here before. I'd rather not people bring up specific incidents, but I have done some pretty stupid stuff here, so it's expected for me to flip out a little once in a while.
I overreacted a bit myself, to be honest. Anyway, don't worry about it.
(I know exactly why, of course - I was using the markup for a livejournal post in the other window and typed it in the subject header here out of habit. Apologies for that - I didn't mean to make it out like I was shouting.)
I'll also add that the agents undergo situations no real person has ever suffered, so you can only guess how their thought processes during and after the incidents would work. Some of them are pretty SIMILAR to real situations, e.g. it's possible to look up the effects of drunkenness and sleep deprivation, but no real person has become addicted to drinking bleach, had their physical sex abruptly swapped, or been demonically possessed. I'd say most of the agents are reacting in perfectly reasonable ways to the craziness they face every day.
... Some Real World faiths do believe in demonic possession, and I didn't mean to offend anyone who belongs to one of those faiths when I said "nobody's ever been demonically possessed". I could have phrased that better; nobody's ever been officially proven to be demonically possessed. Just covering my tail here.
On the other hand, I think everyone agrees that nobody HAS ever become addicted to drinking bleach or had their physical sex abruptly changed without their permission.
I can beat my bleach habit whenever I want to. I'm not addicted... Honest!
The sane people are just boring. :)
*fist-pumps*
And darn proud of it ;)
*though just la-la-ing along, because she's got no talent for filking, but very enthusiastically*
Will you go nuts and sing with me?
In the badfic cavalcade,
Is there a Sue picked out for thee?
Will you go disguised as an Orc 'til the canon goes free...?
~Neshomeh, randomly inspired to continue the filk. ^_^
This is an organization of people who kill other people for a living. They are not going to be the well-adjusted, normal people you see on the street.
Also, they are stories. Stop taking them so seriously. If you don't like it, then don't read it. Complaining on the internet doesn't help.
Their basically their authors (us), only with all their personality dials cranked up to 11.
Excuse me while I bang my head on the wall for being such an idiot.
I cannot for the life of me tell if this is sincere or sarcastic.
For sake of peace, if nothing else.
"See badfic, see Sue, kill Sue"
I'm not sure anyone's noticed, but dialogues about What We Are and What We're Doing that contain bits like this kind of exclude some of us. There are some of us who never involve this element in our missions at all. There are some of us who don't really have to worry about turning into what we're sporking. There are some of us who don't have to think about whether we're killing people creatively instead of en masse. Not all of us kill people. Can departments outside the DMS maybe be recognised in these discussions about Our Raison D'Etre? Not only would it be nice, but it'd also make us non-assassins a bit less likely to get bored/uncomfortable and so go elsewhere when such discussions come up.
But that "See badfic..." phrase kinda makes me want to write a PPC-style picture book. "See Sue. See Sue run (away from Agents)."
Maybe it's a sign I've been playing with my one-year-old nephew a little too much!
Elcalion
I'm fairly sure that Bad Slash was added before Crossovers.
Bad Slash was mentioned before Implausible Crossovers (thanks to Lux's skill with taxidermy), but Implausible Crossovers had the first full mission from a department other than DMS when Jay and Acacia were transferred there.
...only because of the Grandfather clause. Many of these stories would be eye-rollers if we read them by modern standards, but we allow them their effectively bad writing because they were cornerstones of literature.
As I said before, many of them were (and still are) well written and well liked. And giving them a pass does not make them not Sues.
Also, a different standard of writing back then does not mean bad. A Tolkien character is on that list and I don't believe for a moment that anyone here would say that Tolkien's writing is sub-par by today's standards.
That will require one of two things happening:
1) In the official PPC terminology, Canon and Historical sues will be recategorized so that they are not a sub-category of Mary Sue.
2) Department of Mary Sues is renamed.
Just because "Sues are bad" doesn't mean automatically "All Sues must be killed". Sometimes they're fairly benign, staying in their own canons and affecting only their home worlds, and don't need to be dealt with. Would their worlds be better if they weren't Sues? Yes. But killing them would be a bad thing because they've inserted themselves into the canon to the degree that they're partly supporting it. It's sub-optimal, but it's an equilibrium that doesn't get worse.
I also restrict Sue to a certain type of fanfic character, and have never much liked the Canon Sue and Historical Sue terms, but like everyone else, I don't have a good easy replacement term. Without something easy and catchy to replace it with, the terms are stuck.
However, I think that there is also one more basic trait to qualify for Suedom: The desire of an author to gratify himself at the expense of his work or another's. If one writes a story just so he or she can hook up with a hot person just because he/she is hot, get the love interest out of the way by killing or convering his or her love interest, or administer the Worf Effect to the strongest characters in the setting using powers pulled out from his ass, then that character is a Sue.
That said, I like Superman, and while I've only read two of the Drizzt books (Exile and Siege of Darkness, neither of which I bought), I don't really think badly of Drizzt either (though some of the things he writes in his journal are Narm).
See St. Dymphna's Academy, where many of the Mary Sue characters are actually not quite Mary Sues--because they don't force the plot to revolve around them, and can't, because there are other people behind the other characters! Despite having Suvian traits like immortality, magical ability, or extreme genius, many of them have become realistic characters. It's really a fascinating experiment in Suvian psychology.
I believe drawing attention to all of that was the point of the article, actually. In my opinion, it's satire at its finest. {= )
But rest easy--we're not moving in that direction as much as you may think. If you look at the bulk of recently-released missions, I think you'll find they're all nicely low-tech and amusing to some degree, and no emergencies. {= )
~Neshomeh