Subject: Why the second?
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Posted on: 2010-07-09 07:23:00 UTC

Whether you include canon and historical "Sues" in the definition or not, the Department of Mary-Sues still deals with Mary-Sues.

Also, Barid isn't proposing re-naming anything, if you'll notice. His argument is actually that the names are fine the way they are, because sometimes it's okay to be a Mary-Sue.

(My position, on the other hand, is that we ought not to call them Canon Sues and Historical Sues, because in my opinion Sues are something that can only occur in fanfiction. But since I can't think of a more convenient name for canon characters that share traits in common with Mary-Sues, it'll have to stay the way it is. But, like Barid is saying, that doesn't mean they're bad in the way that fanfic Sues are.)

~Neshomeh

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