Subject: Re: I dislike 'Mary Sue' being only for fanfiction.
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Posted on: 2010-07-09 23:58:00 UTC

I would agree with that. The primary thing I think of when I use the term Mary Sue is canon warping. That goes for a fully manifested Sue or the Sue-Wraith that warps the canon characters without being visible.

The poor quality of plot, spelling, grammar, etc. does tend to go along with that, but not always, and I dislike extreme canon warping in all its forms (badly written or well written). Which is almost contradictory, because I will read and enjoy good AU's, of course good ones make a change and then keep characters in character while dealing with the circumstances of the change, so I guess that even applies to AU's.

The Sue/Sue-wraith can only be a character that warps canon, all other traits are just common symptoms, is just my view. It does preclude the existence of Sues in canon except in rare cases of late cast additions to long running series, because they can't warp canon if they are canon. There are a lot of different definitions.

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