Subject: It gets back to terminology...
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Posted on: 2010-07-08 10:23:00 UTC

Same as that whole "essay thing" a few months back.

Some of us are using "Mary Sue" to mean exclusively a fanfic character that is shallow, poorly written and distorts canon. By that definition, there is no such thing as a Canon Sue or a Historical Sue. It might be poor characterisation, but it's not a Sue.

Another way of looking at it is that "Sue" is a descriptor for an archetype of character - some of which occur in canon works, but the vast majority of which are in fanfic.

I like the definition that someone linked to around the time of that essay thing: the "Stranger in the Living Room". In fanfic, the Sue is just that: someone disrupting a place that's not theirs by right, bending it to their will, as opposed to a canon-compliant OC, who would be a "Guest".

For canonical characters, it's their own "living room" and therefore they can't be a stranger in it. Many "Historical Sues" work within their own living room canon, but would be jarringly out-of-place if put into another canon. (Beth from Little Women, I'm looking at you - but she works within her own canon even if she isn't a very realistic character).

Elcalion, who, extending the analogy, would love to trash Eragon's living room, but won't cause he's canonical, dammit.

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