Subject: Re: Haha. So true.
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Posted on: 2009-05-26 10:07:00 UTC
At Odeon they've a trailer for the upcoming summer of films, featuring clips from various ones. It's got Spock crouched down immediately after being beamed onto Vulcan. It's only for a second or so, and it's only after seeing the film three times that I've realised no, they're not trying to blag my head by putting clips from TOS in there, that is actually new!Spock.
What did people think of it?
If it was a fic, what would we, as PPCers, do about/with/for/to it?
Why didn't they give the girls any pants? I'm not allowed to wear skirts that short at my school.
Is time-travel a good thing or a bad thing?
Has anyone shown Nero the Evil Overlord List? I don't think anyone's shown Nero the Evil Overlord List.
I haven't seen very much of the original television series, so I'm not really in a position where I can check the movie against canon. But does Iowa really have huge cliffs in it?
Oh, and... when snogging a guy, make sure your nail polish matches his hair. This is very important.
Aside from the opening scene, with James Kirk being born, which I have to admit I found a bit cheesy. *shrugs* Could just be me; I have a low cheese tolerance.
The rest was *awesome*. I feel sorry for Archer's dog, though :P
It might be cheesy but it gets me every time. Hell, even listening to the damned soundtrack is making me a bit sad.
Plus, the way you could actually see George Kirk being flung forwards into the main viewscreen just before being engulfed by the explosion was seriously cool. Normally films just wuss out and have the explosion surround people.
I'll allow the inertial dampeners to fail without me complaining about how they should all be dead.
But I can now finally get through that scene with only a minimal lump in my throat. W00t!
I've loved Star Trek: TNG, DS9, and Voyager, but I saw a few episodes of the Kirk series (and the newer Enterprise one) and just didn't like it. Too young, I guess; it felt contrived. So I went in with fairly low expectations.
They're sort of... gone, now. :D
I think that time-travel was the only reasonable way to make a movie like this without having it nit-picked to death by obsessed fans, and with that in mind, they did a really good job. I think we have to bear in mind that these Professional Scripwriters don't know crud about derivative writing like we do - we've seen how horrible it can be and are jaded by iffy but can-be-done-well concepts like time travel AUs. When that particular revelation came in the film, I grinned and thought something like, YES! That works everything out!
Of course, that gave them leave to demolish Vulcan, which made me very, very unhappy.
I don't like the womens' uniforms either - I would NEVER wear one - but it has the excuse of a 60s canon, so... *shrug*
As for Spock/Uhura, the most volitle issue... it didn't bother me, but if they'd left it out I would've been just fine. The sense of Uhura being put in a relationship because she's the only lead woman is annoying, and as far as I see, they could've picked Sulu or Scotty as easily as Spock, and only chose the latter because he's the most important character. It could've been worse. Actually, I went looking for Spock/Uhura fics to see if any fanfic writer out there could sell me the pairing. So far, they haven't, but maybe they would be more likely to if I found Spock as attractive as the fanbase does.
Nero... wouldn't think of himself as an Evil Overlord, but that aside; no, definitely not. He made many classic mistakes.
If it were a fic, I would caution the author to be more traditional, but then, that is my style, and it has been done quite well. Admittedly, the music and the great visuals hit me a lot more strongly than a description of the bridge as being "clean and white", or whatever.
(And yeah, why did no one start this thread sooner? *is puzzled*)
"(And yeah, why did no one start this thread sooner? *is puzzled*)"
I just figured that it had been done to death already so I didn't make it myself.
I will admit that it was better than anything I could have possibly dreamed of. None of the pre-release trailers/interviews/whatever inspired confidence in me because they seemed to mess up Canon completely with bad time travel. The plot as a whole, though, removed those doubts. It was awesome.
Of course, it had a smegload of plotholes in and the second I get the DVD release, I'll be writing a list of them. Every. Last. One. Including the fact that they probably killed Tuvok and/or his family, thereby messing around with Voyager. They also ruined Unification Parts I and II.
As for the mini-miniskirts, this has made me laugh much as I try to watch TOS. Seriously, I'm not even sure if they're wearing skirts. It actually does seem to be underwear and a shirt a lot of the time. And I laugh loudly every time I think this. For all the great equality and enlightenedness of Starfleet, they sure do love to humiliate their female officers. (And 60s TV has nothing to do with it. The least they could have done was give them midi-skirts like actual female military officers wear nowadays).
And what exactly is the Evil Overlord List? I've heard vague things about it, but nothing helpful.
http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html
It is very hilarious.
"I will not transform into a snake. It never helps."
*favourites instantly*
fortunately only needed a few of the hints. :P
...shocking, isn't it? But that is beside the point. I'm thinking of some which are specific to Evil Overladies; for example, "Chain-mail bikinis are not a suitable replacement for well-made body armor."
Doubt there's anything that's not common sense, but common sense does seem to be lacking in this world, doesn't it?
It was great, and I think the reboot/AU idea is fantastic, because it's going to give the whole Trekverse a new lease of life.
If it was a fic I would applaud it!
The girls having no pants is standard Trek - it is the FUTURE! Therefore we wear skimpy skintight clothing BECAUSE THAT IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE! (and presumably those who wanted to wear baggy pants were burnt at the stake, or something, I dunno) :P
Time-travel ... good or bad, is hardly a *new* thing in Trek ... Voyager, anyone?
No, he hasn't seen it. But then, if he'd seen it, he might have won, and THEN where would we be? O.o
I believe that was supposed to be an open-cast mine, rather than a canyon. I know, it got me too the first time I saw the film. I was all 'wtf, enormous cliffs?' and then the second time I took notice of the whole chainlink fence and stuff and went 'OH! it's a mine!'
Cheers for the tip :P
- Trojie, still wildly overexcited about this movie and therefore jumping up and down and being giggly and OTT.
Fourth time today. (Glods bless Odeon and its cheap Tuesdays - I'd happily go alone but this way I get to attempt to convert friends.)
It is amazing. I went in with middling expectations and not much idea of what it was going to be about. Didn't even have a clue who they'd cast, except Simon Pegg. We went for the last showing of the day, and at the end of the end credits my friend and I both bemoaned the fact that we couldn't see it again until the next day. And I have rapidly become obsessed.
If it were fic, depends how well it were written. Could be done either way. A good writer could've done a good job, but I'd've been seeing the old characters. This way I've finally (semi-unwillingly) got rid of my dislike for Kirk, and have, er, turned into a bit of a rabid fan.
The women always wore short skirts in TOS. It was the 60s. Dax had to wear one on DS9 when they went back to TOS era, it was ace.
I really enjoyed the movie. Like you, I don't know enough about the original series to make a detailed comparison, but it did sound like everything was explained by the "time travel creates AU" thing. Which is really awkward as a plot device. But still.
What I want to know is if they plan to remake the original series. Some of you might be having aneurysms at the thought, but give me a minute. We have better technology now. We have better science, better special effects, and, let's face it, better plot devices than "Kirk gets the girl." We come armed with the knowledge of how the five-year mission goes, so we have the potential for a series with more scientific intelligence and better internal consistency. This could be really cool. I just don't know if anyone is actually planning this, or if they could carry it off.
I'd probably watch it just to see what happens to it.
If the movie were a fic, it would depend entirely on the quality of the writing. If it's well-written, there's no reason for us to bother with it.
~Neshomeh, who decided that if Leonard Nimoy is okay with it, then so is she.
"What I want to know is if they plan to remake the original series."
Last time I checked, Wikipedia mentioned nothing about it, so it may have been cancelled, but this film was meant to kick off a new TV show. It would have been set far, far away from the Enterprise, but it would have been TOS era.
Minus Spock Prime, that is.
They started the script in March, hoping for a mid-2011 release.
Huzzah, huzzah, for the "Hobbit" movie is coming in 2011 too! *brain overloads on geeky glee*
Hobbit movie, maybe. Depends how much craptastical fanfiction appears in it's wake (like Star Trek XI has). I'm not looking forward to Lord of the Rings: The Adventures of the Young Frodo Baggins though. Seriously, nothing happened between the Hobbit and LotR that's worth making a film about. Why make another film?
Because they can make money from it?
Let's just hope del Toro doesn't make it all in Spanish with English subtitles.
I can't understand a word of CSI: Miami sometimes when they speak Spanish.
I did not particularly like Uhura's character. She felt to me like she was just the typical 'strong female character' and she didn't actually do anything. But again, that's just my opinion. I did like the rest of the movie and Nero's ship was scary.
The no-pants thing...well, it's canon. At least for that part of Starfleet history. The time-travelling Romulans probably didn't have much impact on military fashion.
Time travel as opposed to an unexplained retcon? Good thing. Time travel that lets Nimoy!Spock give the Vulcan salute to Quinto!Spock? Good thing. Time travel as opposed to just working with the canon that was already there? Meh, not sure.
Yes, but if someone had shown Nero the Evil Overlord List, he would have killed Spock, and that would have made me very sad. And it would have been a very short movie.
The parts of the movie that deviated from canon were all explained as part of the time-travel thing, which was certainly preferable to just disregarding canon without explanation. And I felt that they did a fairly good job at staying true to what the show really meant.
But I plan to. My mom's a Trekkie minus the cosplay, so I'm bound to. I just know that I'll be spending the entire movie reminding myself that Spock's not gonna slice people's heads open.
by one thing I heard. Not sure if it's accepted as a difference or not, but I heard that Trekkies are fans of the show, Trekkers are the cosplayers that embarrass the Trekkies.
Great. So I'm a Trekker then.
He could have just been honestly mistaken, or misinformed himself, or maybe it changes according to region, or ... lots of things other than 'talking rubbish'
- Trojie (half-assed Trekker herself)
so I'm probably right.
... I make a hobby out of giving the benefit of the doubt.
Admittedly it's bitten me in the arse before, but it's kinda fun to come up with the alternate hypothesis :D
then I realised that humanity as a whole doesn't deserve it. Bunch of morons with few exceptions.
... actually mostly humanity is a bunch of nice people too shy to say anything - you just run across the morons more often cos they're louder :P
My mom said it's the other way around.
I did spend the whole movie reminding myself that Spock is not going to slice people's heads open. I thought the actor did a good job, though. I thought he was the closest to the original of all of them.
~Neshomeh
during the entire movie. So that's good.
I thought Bones was most like the original. Guy had the same speech patern.
Didn't like that they let Sulu say his experience in man to man combat was fencing, and then they gave him a katana rather than an epee to battle the Romulan.
At Odeon they've a trailer for the upcoming summer of films, featuring clips from various ones. It's got Spock crouched down immediately after being beamed onto Vulcan. It's only for a second or so, and it's only after seeing the film three times that I've realised no, they're not trying to blag my head by putting clips from TOS in there, that is actually new!Spock.
surely the decent CGI should have alerted you? :P
It's a split second image of the spitting image of Spock crouching on a desert planet that looks just like all the TOS worlds did. Really, I thought it was Nimoy.
...on a desert planet... or buildings... on a desert planet...