Subject: Lemme try.
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Posted on: 2008-12-01 22:56:00 UTC
If you have original bit characters in there that don't ooze of Sueness themselves, you can leave them be and they'll reintegrate into the canon.
Generally the main goal is to take out the Sue's influence, from there the canon will correct itself.
That what you mean/wanted?
...Because the first one sucked, and it's going to be Very, Very Dead soon anyway. Hope that thing where only certain questions are answered and the thread dies doesn't happen again. It seems to be very common for me.
Did anyone notice the four 'fics I reported recently in one post? My old Report thread was pushed off the front page shortly after, and I'm wondering if anyone saw it.
Also, if I ever go for Permission (Highly improbable, but it's a possibility), which department should I write Agents for? I'm looking for either the worst fics or the most fire. I think I'd go for DOGA, DoWTF, or DoF.
Also also, how's the Movie going? I can't wait for the release, it looks like it will be very, very awesome and full of much win.
Oh, and am I the first newbie to bring very large amounts of Random Shinies and cute stuffed toys? And am I actually allowed to distribute said shinies, or do I have to wait until I'm at least a semi-Oldbie to obtain shiny object-giving rights?
Lastly, can I mention random PPC-related things in an original fic I'm trying to write? I won't be using the PPC and its technology directly, I'll just be referencing it a lot.
In one of Manx and Shadow's missions, there's a line that 'canons cannot die before their author deems so'. I'm not sure how widespread this is, but if you're in there before the death occurs, it's probably an idea to intervene. Otherwise, I'd guess either they'd be in a plothole or things should snap back to the way they should be.
…maybe it's an improper lightsaber?
Shameless plug: I also posted several bad to awful Star Wars fics. Windwalker is reserved.
Questions:
1.Whatever happened to the Star Wars Fan Fiction Academy?
2. Would it be possible to establish a Halo Fan Fiction Academy?
3.What happens if a Sue is infected with a contagious disease/cursed? A few examples would be Smith from the Matrix, the zombie virus, and the cursed springs from Ranma 11/2
4.Are Agents allowed to take Sues to a different time/place within the canon universe for their punishment? I had ideas involving Yavin IV's piranha beetles and the Taris Rakghouls...
I origionally started writing the SWOFU with a partner, but that fell through. We stoped and it was given to another person, and I don:t know what is happening with it.
Leto
I might be wrong, but I think you still need permission from Miss Cam to start an OFU. If not from her, then probably from the Permission-Givers here.
As for #3, I think it would depend on the Sue and the circumstances, but you'd have to be careful with something like Agent Smith--your average Sue would probably manage to "rewrite" him and maintain her personality and appearance while gaining his abilities. We do NOT want a Sue version of Agent Smith running around the Matrix. O.o Same goes for zombies/vampires/werewolves/etc. The Ranma 1/2 springs would probably just be an excuse for her to be more speshul. Nine times out of ten, you're better off just killing her.
~Neshomeh
If not from her, then probably from the Permission-Givers here.
While, yes, it's admirable to want to keep some form of control on the OFUs, the problem is that the PPC is only one part of the OFU fan community. We as Permission Givers were chosen as stewards of the PPC -- not of the OFUs. I'm not sure we have the right to claim authority over the latter as well. Remember that the PPC were fans of OFUM before Miss Cam ever knew they existed...
hS
Permission Givers were just for PPCings (I feel like Miss Cam was even one of the original PGs, but it's been a while, so I could be making it up). OFUs and the PPC are one in purpose, and there's a wide overlap in the respective fanbases, but we are separate.
I think the main thing about OFUs is that there should only be one per fandom. A lot of people were starting up more OFUs in LotR and Harry Potter, and it was not okay.
Miss Cam was one of the first three PGs, along with Thalia Weaver and GreyLadyBast, after Jay and Acacia.
But I think one big thing is that a lot of OFU-writers are also PPCers. What I was trying to get across was that while OFUs are separate entities, it's usually a good idea to check out with other people first before going ahead, even if it's only to ensure that there are no blunders like creating more than one per fandom.
And when it comes to checking things out around here, it seems that a lot of people's natural instincts are to turn to the people who give go-aheads, e.g. the PGs. Admittedly not a great idea, but maybe from now on we can just give anyone looking to do an OFU the basic advice? The OFU Commandments, for example, or something entertaining but informative.
"Thou shalt credit Miss Cam for creating OFUs" etc. etc.
I'm rambling. *shuts self up*
Those were the three people I'd come up with for the original Permission Givers. No wonder there's no room in my mind for studying and stuff like that, my brain's full of useless PPC trivia. :P
I think the PPC Board is an awesome--and usually untapped--source of writing advice, especially for something with established tradition, like an OFU. I just also think that if anyone's going to extend authority over OFUs to the PGs, it should be the illustrious Miss Cam herself, instead of us trying to place limits on something that isn't ours. Of course, I run everything I write past hS for approval, but, you know, that's because he's my husband. :P
The Ten (or however many, I know the PPC does get a little carried away with lists sometimes. XD) Commandments of OFUs sound like an excellent idea that would basically solve all of these issues. :D
Wouldn't nine be most appropriate? *g*
Let's see...
1. Thou shalt give credit to Miss Cam.
2. Thou shalt not create more than one OFU for a single continuum.
3. Thou shalt espouse the doctrine of Learning Through Pain.
4. Thou shalt declare a species of mini for thy OFU.
5. Thy Headmaster(s) and/or Headmistress(es) shalt be the creator(s) of thy continuum.
What else?
~Neshomeh
Recall that HSA was run by Dumbledore, to the best of my recollection. The creator-as-Head concept is not fixed in stone.
And #4 should point out that there are already minis for many OFU-less continuua.
However, as an alternate #5, Thou shalt have the canon characters teaching the classes would be a good one (well, yes, you'd /think/ it'd be obvious...)
hS
I'm pretty sure HFA (I'm assuming that's what you meant?) refers to a Headmistress--or at least, the sequel does for sure.
Canons teaching classes is good, though.
#4: Thou shalt declare a species of mini if thy continuum has them not.
~Neshomeh
Miss Cass and I just jumped in and started writing ours with no permission from anyone. We gave Miss Cam credit in our disclaimed, of course, but other than that nothing. I think having the PG's blessing is probably a good idea though.
she said that no official permission from her is needed, but you should credit her.
And Permission Givers' blessing is always good. But I;d suggest getting Permission first. *shrug*
For 1, I think it got pulled off. That's all I know, though. I've been wondering where to find it myself, as Google is useless for that and it vanished before I even knew about OFUs.
For 2, it is very much possible. The only thing needed is an Author and a mini designation. I'm personally voting for mini-Flood Juggernaut, a very large Flood form that was cut from the final game. Mini-Juggernauts would definitely be deadly enough, that's for sure. Besides, they're the only very large not-really-sentient creatures in the continuum. Hunters can think too, you know... Check the Halo Wiki for details if you want to know more.
Not sure about 3, I have no experience with that particular situation.
For 4, I think it is allowable. Trojie and Pads did that in one LxC mission, by taking the Dino-Sues to the meteor of mass extinction and death. Oh, and execution by Rakghouls sounds very, very fun...
It *is* frowned upon to take Sues out of the canon they're in to another one to exorcise them; we took them to the Real World, albeit the Real World 65mya ago ... and Agents Trojie and Pads will probably end up getting in some trouble for that one, probably in the form of a particularly horrific mission in the Potterverse - the Flowers like inflicting Marauder-era pain on them when they do wrong.
The reason, I suspect, that it's not allowed is that they already contaminated one Word World - by moving them to another you give them a chance, however slim, to contaminate another. Remember, a Sue is a canon-warping influence.
For 1, I'm not sure. I guess you should wait for one of the veterans, they have more experience. I think it might be possible though, because I remember a new POTC OFU I saw on FFN.
For 2, I think mini-Grunts wouldn't actually be able to keep fanbrats off Canons, being small and squishable. Hunters or Juggernauts might be a better choice... Besides, there are going to be a lot of Generic Normal Grunts running around anyway. The whole Covenant army's probably going to show up.
For 3, yeah. That would be very, very bad. I do NOT want to see Gravemind under Sue influence, or superpowered Rakghouls.
For 4, the Flood seems like a very painful and fun way to kill someone. Just make sure to glass the area or chop up the corpse with an Energy Sword afterwards, because a Sue Form would probably be quite hard to kill normally. Taris death sounds quite fun, especially if it's recorded somehow to watch later. May I also suggest feeding one to Nihilus or throwing one in the Pit of Carkoon? Sarlacc is a bit slow though. You'd have to portal forward a few years to make sure the Sue is dead.
2. But can Hunters throw blue "spider"s at said annoying fangirls? In any event, my vote's for Hunters.
3.Let alone mind warping, god-moding plague vectors or intelligences.
4. Flood might actually be a bad idea for Sues. If their blood is contagious, things could go downhill in a hurry. Better to simply reserve the Flood for dying bit characters. Carkoon and Nihlus seem to be Very Bad Ideas, if only because the Sue's life force might be dangerous in the hands of a xenocidal, power-mad loony. As for the Pit of Carkoon, do we really want a Sued Fett/Anonymous Victim or the Sue herself to escape through a plot hole.
Forgot about that thing with Nihilus, and the Sarlacc being escapable. Nihilus would probably be possessed by the Sue's soul if that happened... That, or he'd get some new Sue powers and eat the galaxy much faster. And I completely forgot about Fett getting out of Carkoon and mysteriously appearing plotholes. Flood for bits sounds like fun though.
Hopefully, these suggestions will be better. Tie a Sue to a UNSC NOVA-class bomb or dangle her over a MAC cannon barrel. That, or you could chuck her off the tallest point in High Charity. The really long fall should only be for the ones who can't fly by any means, though.
For Star Wars, maybe feed her to the very big fishes on Naboo, the Kamino sea life, or a random krakana? You could also stick one to the Death Star's laser. Summoning thousands of Hssiss with the Dead Jedi corpse in the Korriban tomb and watching a Sue get eaten by them is also fun. Jekk'Jekk Tarr poison gas is sadistic, evil and absolutely perfect. Just tell the Sue you're letting her go in front of the door, and that she should have a nice drink.
Oh, and mini-Rancor. Can I adopt Nihlus? I always wanted a Star Wars mini. By the way, mini-Hunters sounds like a pretty good idea.
*random and unwarranted*
They're also called "plasma grenades" by those unaware of the tru7h. (7 very much intentional)
What's that?
But I have seen every episode. Why?
P.S. Can you help with my canon/bit character problem?
If you have original bit characters in there that don't ooze of Sueness themselves, you can leave them be and they'll reintegrate into the canon.
Generally the main goal is to take out the Sue's influence, from there the canon will correct itself.
That what you mean/wanted?
Yeah, thanks. What happens if a canon gets killed in the story, but they're not supposed to die at that point/place?
I think there's at least one TOS mission with that happening, but I can't remember.
I think the one you claimed was the first one I put up, actually. Not one from the latest very, very large amount. Well, as far as I know, anyway.
That's good to hear about the Movie's progress. Another thing: Where will it be posted, and how long is it estimated it be?
For the last one... Somehow I forgot that the PPC is technically a Canon Universe now, complete with its own history and background. Thanks to everyone who answered this one, it got that thought back into my head.
We have no idea where it will be posted. At the moment getting it put together is more important than where we'll put it when we're finished. And as for length, it's going to be at least an hour long, probably more. We have ten different threads following over eighty characters. That's not a fifteen-minute Youtube. :)
July covered the rest, so here's my two cents on these:
3. I know for a fact there's still recording to be done, because I have to do some of it (though I'm still waiting for my latest parts). Then there's the animating. I have no idea how Cassie and Trojie plan to see that done, but art takes time, and animating, I'm sure, takes longer. Add in the fact that none of us are professionals (as far as I know), and that we're all busy with other things, and we're looking at a good long production period. So, as Farscape's Pa'u Zotoh Zhaan would tell you, the answer is time and patience.
5. I've already recommended not mixing the PPC with original work to someone else, so I'm doing the same here. We're allowed to play with the PPC as its own entity, always giving credit to Jay and Acacia for the original concept, but once you cross the line into your own original work, it starts looking like idea theft. Also, the fact that only other PPCers would likely get the references makes it kind of pointless for you if you expect any sort of legitimacy for your work.
~Neshomeh, wearing her Permission-Giver Hat.
Trojie emailed one set of lines to your hotmail address, and I emailed another to your gmail. Which one are you checking more often? Neither of us have had a reply.
If you've changed your addresses recently, let us know pretty please and we'll send you your lineses again. Promise.
I don't check my Gmail very often, and I wasn't aware that that address was involved. I checked, though, and the lines are there, so I'll get on that as soon as possible.
By Hotmail I assume you mean Yahoo. I did get Lucien's revised lines, too, but I've been trying to bribe one of my male friends into doing it. >.>;
~Neshomeh
1 Yes, people did notice the four fics you reported. Most everyone tends to look at all the threads. If you want you can add them to this page here.
2 I'm going to be honest here and say I don't care/have an opinion. You should go with the department you think you'll enjoy writing for the most.
3 The movie is a topic I have no idea on, and so you'll have to wait until Cassie or Trojie pop up to answer that question.
4 No, you are not, and yes, you are allowed, last I checked.
5 I don't know in this case, but I'd have to venture a guess and say it would probably be a no. Of course, I'm not sure, and that's something a PG would have to say on for sure, but I don't think it'd be a doable.
Aaah, I just noticed I misspelled my own name. Keyboard-fail-tastic!
*hugs Buta no Kaabiic* Ahhn't 'oo jus adowable?