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I found the Dreamwidth archive for Laburnum and Foxglove's missions, among others: https://rc88.dreamwidth.org/

Hello everyone, this is the original poster. I would like to relay another message at the request of the Bramanditook. I appreciate your patience in all of this.

"Bramandintook on gmail wants a copy of the deleted messages."

zdimensia's been spreading some pretty nasty lies in other places of the internet about us; people who jump to her cause aren't going to go "Hmm, maybe I should get the other side of the story?" before coming on here to defend her.

It would just be an extra way to fuel people's questions if we put her in the FAQ.

apparently zdimensia won’t ever let us forget her.

There may be a non-negligible risk that some innocent newbies, who just happened to hear the spreading rumors, have their threads deleted without warning and with no way to contact them and explain, which would give a very bad first impression of the PPC.

I would actually put this into a very prominent place, like a third paragraph to How do I, er, join?.

“Also, a fair warning: If you just want to ask about banned people, please don’t join. All the answers are already here.”

If everything involving zdimensia is linked on that page, the last link would be to this very thread here, and it should be abundantly clear that no further discussion will happen on the Board, so everybody who still tries is obviously just here to cause trouble.

HG

Since zdimensia expressed a Very Strong Desire to have acknowledged that she was a good enough writer to get Permission (which nobody actually denied), I wondered whether somebody might want to check how good this writing actually was, and then I wondered why I couldn’t find any links on the wiki.

You’re right; it doesn’t need to be undone.

HG

I actually forgot that zdimensia of too many names is also Toopurple and that maybe I should look there.

I wouldn’t trust myself or anybody else to write a summary that can’t be accused of being biased. Thus the idea of telling the full story by simply linking everything; it would be an advantage over everybody who wants to know "the truth" having to search through the archives on their own.

HG

I've been waiting for Peace Talks for a while now...

- Tomash

Her pages were originally put there by me, but later zdimensia requested that everything be deleted. It looks like Tomash relayed the request and doctorlit carried it out. For example: http://ppc.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Log?type=delete&page=September+Johnson

This could be undone, but personally, I don't see what anyone would gain from it.

~Neshomeh

So it looks like I've spread some out of date information a few times.

-Tomash

(For the less technical, A.B.C.D/16 is every IP address that starts with A.B)

- Tomash

The Hades sequence is one of my favourite parts of that book, and it's a good book!

... why has it been four years since the last Dresden book? Butcher pretty much did one a year up until then. I know he did Aeronaut's Windlass, but even that was three years back. It looks like he's just been focussing on graphic novels and a short story collection - which, I mean, that's good, but...

hS

I think by this point anyone who has a chance of identifying a Zdimensia sockpuppet can probably get in touch with a Nameless Admin one way or another; it's not like newbies with a degree in Invader From Dimension Z Identification are going to be popping up! This isn't a template for future decisions or anything - it's strictly a one-off way to deal with someone who has been haranguing the Board for four years now, and shows no sign of stopping.

hS

I was already working on constructing a timeline of events to go on the Toopurple user page, precisely for the reasons HG says. I was stumbling over locating the archive links in the bit you copied here. So, thanks!

~Neshomeh

This is said userpage. It could probably be expanded with a longer summary of the underlying circumstances or gain a lot more links. (It might even be a good idea to like to relevant portions of some of the more sprawling threads.)


On the deletion, I remember passing along a request from Bram to delete some of her agents from the wiki. I can go try to drag up the relevant DM history if people really want it.

- Tomash

It’s a story about reading and writing and growing up in the Third Reich, written by Australian author Markus Zusak. (Trigger warning for death of major characters.)

For further spoilery discussion, with obligatory warning for not always family friendly language, Mark Oshiro read it too. (To avoid confusion, the "fish fighter" is a typo meant to be a "fist fighter".)

HG

• zdimensia and her sockpuppets and meatpuppets are to be treated like spam
  
  - Threads a community member posts trying to rehash this will be deleted because we're more than done with this topic (and zdimensia's name will be moved from subject lines into posts for the same reason), and the Nameless Admin will privately explain the situation because we're not trying to hide the history.
  
  - People should suspected zdimensia socks to the Nameless Admin (do they have public contact info like an admin mailbox somewhere?) who'll look into it (by asking, because that tends to work) and block and announce the block if needed.
  
  - Confessed zdimensia alts get the same treatment, and also don't get to leave their confession up
  
  I support this because we really don't need any more discussion of zdimensia. The ban was enacted with consensus and leaving the ban violations up seems to only be inviting harassment of community members and wasting everyone's time and energy.
  
  - Tomash

May 2014: Zdimensia joins the Board.

August 2014: Zdimensia is banned for 1 year.

Internal links from archived post, as reconstructed this post:

You have ignored a direct request to expand on an apology for blatant racism which was only extracted from you with extreme difficulty, specifically three separate statements [These are my best guesses based on the timeline. Others that might be being referenced are this and this. ~2017!hS] that you need to do so to continue posting on the Board. Said apology reads very clearly as you feeling hard done by and only giving it under duress. It also contains explicit confirmation - not that any was needed - that you consider yourself genuinely racist.

August 2014: Zdimensia's ban is formalised.

June 2015: Zdimensia breaks her 1-year ban and is permanently banned.

April 2016: 'Bramandin' joins the Board.

May 2017: Bramandin admits to being Zdimensia, and is given a temporary block/ban, with lifting depending on her demonstration that she has changed. 10 users voted in favour of allowing this.

September 2017: Bramandin is permanently banned (vote: 22/26)

November 2017: 'Makkara' joins the Board
December 2017: 'Makkara' confesses to bring Zdimensia, and is blocked, enforcing the previous ban.

March 2018: 'Mythcreant' attempts to join the PPC with the sole intent of discussing Zdimensia; she is blocked as a sock or meat-puppet of a banned user.

May 2018: 'Mythcreant' attempts to join the PPC with the sole intent of discussing Zdimensia; she is blocked as a sock or meat-puppet of a banned user.

May 2018: 'Anonymous' posts as a confessed meat-puppet of Zdimensia.

~

As a potential point of interest, and based on this post, here are Zdimensia's and Bramandin's Permission requests:

Zdimensia, June 2014, denied by Neshomeh
Zdimensia, July 2014, denied by Delta Juliette
Zdimensia, August 2014, denied by JulyFlame
Bramandin, February 2016, denied by JulyFlame
Bramandin, April 2016, denied by Neshomeh
Bramandin, May 2016, denied by Desdendelle
Bramandin, May 2016, granted by JulyFlame

~

There are probably other relevant links, but most of them are going to be contained in the threads there. Note that a lot of what Zdimensia thinks was the problem is found in her Permission threads, so they're probably worth linking to.

All links after June 2017 are from the Board itself; anything before is from the Altchives.

And if you find any internal links you want me to try and pin down the original destination of, let me know and I'll do my best.

hS

The whole point of this approach is to let us forget about her, not to tell every newbie about her.

If you think a fuller version of this is required, I can probably pull together links to every thread that either a) involved a Zdimensia vote, b) was used as evidence in one, or c) was posted by her or her meat-puppets after Bramandin's ban.

hS