People who know the canon are rather horrified by the content, I'm rather horrified by the SPaG, and, going off my poking at Google, the fandom at large is generally going "oh god why" and there seem to be a few folks doing recent reviews and sporkings (with one of the Google-snippets calling the fic "infamous").
So, yeah, this here's legendarily bad in my book.
- Tomash
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You've got my vote by
on 2018-06-06 21:58:00 UTC
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Suggestions to zdimensia by
on 2018-06-06 21:50:00 UTC
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I'd suggest to zdimensia that, if she takes us up on this offer, she take a few days at least to go through all the history and put together this one last message, making sure she's hit the points she'd like to address (and pointed at relevant quotes if needed).
I'd also suggest that zdimensia should find someone willing to help her with ensuring her message is coherent and understandable. I think the person I'm replying to (Anonymous) might fit the bill, but I'm not sure.
- Tomash
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Seconding Phobos and Tomash. by
on 2018-06-06 21:10:00 UTC
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This has been going on for four years. We can wait a few hours.
~Neshomeh
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I remain unconvinced that Mythcreant isn't a zdimensia sock by
on 2018-06-06 20:30:00 UTC
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(This is mainly based on their behavior on the Board and in my interactions with them back when they were around)
- Tomash
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I would say yes to that. by
on 2018-06-06 18:57:00 UTC
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I've never read the "Warriors" series, but I heard of this travesty just from bouncing around fanfiction sites. I've met a couple other people with similar stories, though the details escape me now.
(I even tried to read it once, but that ended right quick.)
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We will wait for you. (nm) by
on 2018-06-06 18:00:00 UTC
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Re: Okay, I'll make a deal. by
on 2018-06-06 17:21:00 UTC
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I will agree to this, but at this point in the day, I need to go to work, so please direct further dialogue to Mythcreant as I was asked to request. I would help more if I could, but you’d have to wait for several hours, and I’m not sure that would be a fair request or one you’d be willing to accept. Mythcreant, however, has agreed to help.
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I'd rather we didn't. by
on 2018-06-06 17:17:00 UTC
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If we're going to do this, I'd prefer that it be through a third party buffer.
~Neshomeh
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A separate, conditional proposal. by
on 2018-06-06 17:03:00 UTC
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In the event that Zdimensia agrees to these conditions, what are people's thoughts on unblocking her IP addresses so that she can respond directly, rather than through Anonymous?
hS
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Okay, I'll make a deal. by
on 2018-06-06 17:02:00 UTC
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Go ahead and post her message, and I promise I will read it and respond to it, point by point if necessary. Anyone else who wants to do the same thing is entirely free to do so.
But there is one condition:
-You first relay Zdimensia's agreement that this will be the last time. The last time she posts an explanation of why she believes she is in the right. The last time, in fact, that she or anyone acting on her behalf will post to this Board, or to any other part of the PPC Community. Whether she gets what she wants or discovers that we are thoroughly unwilling to give it - or any points in between those two extreme - after this discussion is over, she has to leave us alone.
You've said elsewhere that she isn't trying to get her ban rescinded, so I trust this will not be a problem.
As part of this condition, you (Anonymous) will be able to relay the following:
-The 'one more message' from Zdimensia.
-Any replies she has to direct questions asked during responses to the 'one more message'.
-Any comments she wishes to make in response to misinterpretations of her messages on this thread.
Any misinterpretations of previous events that she believes have occurred should be addressed in the original 'one more message'. This is not an invitation to a dialogue full of 'and another thing!'. She puts everything she wants addressed into one message, and that and that alone forms the basis of the discussion.
Agreed?
hS
[To the Board: Please see also this related proposal. ~hS]
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Guarded "yes". by
on 2018-06-06 16:09:00 UTC
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I've heard of it and its horribleness, but then again, I do like the Warriors books.
My only reservation is this: Is it famous outside its fandom? I honestly hadn't heard of it before I got into "Warriors".
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This is the request by
on 2018-06-06 15:51:00 UTC
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Hello all. I would like to assure you first that your suspicions about zdimentia and myself being the same person are indeed false. She and I have been in discussion about this for the past two weeks, and I read the backlog.
While I don’t have a full understanding of your community or its rules admittedly, I have read the backlogs that are available, and have discussed things with her at pretty great lengths. I understand some of the group dynamics that were at play. Not all of them, but enough. This has obviously disturbed their life a great deal, and I do sympathize.
That being said, I have posted some of the messages she has written directly, and have one more to post, which is why some of the things I posted here were in her voice. I do have another message to post of hers, and I really do hope that you will be willing to consider it at least. There’s no way to force things, but if you would at least hear her out, this may be a resolvable matter without further heartache on either side:
Myth could explain how both the group and Bram misread the racism situation if you allow her to explain. For one thing, Bram didn't deliberately ignore the request to expand on an apology. She's upset that the group is exaggerating a misconception about what she did and won't hear the truth.
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New introductory interlude! by
on 2018-06-06 14:28:00 UTC
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In which a newbie is introduced to the PPC - and much later, her very feathery trainer.
It's been far too long since either of us posted any PPC writing, so here you go. We hope you enjoy, and we're already in the process of writing our characters' first mission together, so be sure to look forward to that in the next few weeks! ;)
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I have become a terrible YouTube addict recently. by
on 2018-06-06 13:43:00 UTC
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Which Tomash has already heard me whine about, but anyway . . . it's the video essays about fiction that get me. Have some of my regulars! I should mention that a lot of videos in the lists I'm going to be linking have some casual swearing. I'll give more specific warnings if there's anything more NSFW than that.
Lindsay Ellis does probably my favorite video essays. Her modern work is a lot more in depth, and less gimmicky, than the stuff she used to produce as the Nostalgia Chick. I especially enjoy her Loose Canon series, which examines how a character changes over time through different adaptations.
My latest YouTube discovery is Jenny Nicholson. Her reviews tend to be really long, but her simple, quiet deadpan delivery and the creative way she examines both good and bad parts of the media she consumes make them worth the listen while washing dishes or such. As you can see from a lot of her video thumbnails, she's also a big fan of porgs, and a fan of big porgs.
Wisecrack is another good source of media analysis. This is the one channel here that tends to get a bit more NSFW when discussing certain stories, but it still never gets too directly explicit, I don't think. The "Earthling Cinema" series attempts to examine movies from a non-Earth culture perspective to deconstruct them, while "Thug Notes" summarizes literature and discusses its themes without getting tied down by formal language. Their other, non-themed videos on philosophy in fiction tend to be excellent, as well.
The videos on Nando vs. Movies look at a facet of a film or TV show that fell flat, formulates a solution, and walks that change through to see all the effects it would have had on the final story. It's mostly superhero movies, but there're a couple of Star Wars videos as well.
The content on Nerdwriter1 is literally all over the place—fiction, art, music, comedy, business politics. I only watch the videos that look interesting to me, so I haven't seen them all. But take a look; I'm sure there's at least something to capture your attention here.
—doctorlit, addict for sure
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One minor issuse: by
on 2018-06-06 12:34:00 UTC
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Largely, I have had no problems with your modship. However, I have gotten the nagging feeling that you have been breathing down my neck a bit. Maybe it's me being a bit irrational, but I feel like I have been a bit singled out.
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Thank you. More links to fix. (nm) by
on 2018-06-06 12:13:00 UTC
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Legendary Badfic Nomination: Starkit's Prophecy by
on 2018-06-06 07:20:00 UTC
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To you, my fellow Boarders, I propose a candidate for the Legendary badfic list: "Starkit's Prophecy." This fic is known as the My Immortal badfic of the Warriors fandom. First the criteria:
"The fic must be at least five years old." Research from Snowy and leafeyes confirmed they've heard about this fic as far back as 2010.
"Return a decent number of relevant Google hits from the past year, indicating that people are still talking about it." I did some research and found search results about this fic from the past year, and the first two pages were full. I didn't look further than that.
"Be famous in its own right, not because of the author/sequel/prequel/fanart/whatever." Yes, so much yes. Snowy knows of it, and he's not a Warriors fan, for example. Staying away from this fic was one of the first things I learned when entering the fanfiction of Warriors.
"Be acknowledged as awful by a majority of PPCers with an opinion." When I read this fic in Discord voice chat, everyone agreed it was nothing less than a trollfic. But this criteria, I believe, can be only fulfilled by the acknowledgement of the Board.
(A repost link since the original was taken down: http://starkitsprophecy.webstarts.com/the_story.html)
Some charges: the grammar and spelling is atrocious; there is a horde of mini-Sues; there is a prophecy, and the warrior spirits know that it's about the Sue right away; the Sue has a name that is forbidden by canon; she 's an impossibly good fighter at a young age, a canon character returns from the dead, has uncanonical powers, and is also evil for no reason.
(I am planning to mission this fic regardless of what is decided, and I will stop at the end of chapter four [or this fic's second chapter three.])
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I always thought it'd be interesting by
on 2018-06-06 02:29:00 UTC
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to sort of see that kind of necromancy in large scale warfare. The sort of context where it's literally just their culture and how they do wars - just enlist every dead person ever (whether they like it or not) and send them out in a huge army and wall themselves in. I figure you'd just end up with a situation where they're just locked inside forever and there's a war going on outside forever, all the plants and so on crushed into mud. Even if all the dead people all together went on strike and all left for greener pastures they'd just stay locked up, assuming it's still warring out there.
There's a lot of room for dark comedy and satire in there, anyways. Can't even die in peace!
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There are some Santa-equivalents out there that are crazy by
on 2018-06-06 02:14:00 UTC
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There's one where it's this lady - Frau Perchta. She's an Eastern European figure and in fitting with Eastern European things she is horrifying and depressing. Her descriptions vary - in some cases she's a beast, in others, just a tall woman. Sometimes she has literally two faces.
To the good kids she'd leave silver in their shoes. To the bad kids, she'd, er, cut them open and replace their innards with pebbles and straw. And take their innards.
There's also the Icelandic Yule cat, who eats ya if you haven't gotten new clothes for Christmas. Farmers used this as incentive to get their workers to work, because if they didn't, they'd get no clothes gifted, and they'd get eaten by a giant cat.
Also Santa in the Netherlands has a sidekick in blackface with him.
But, uh, otherwise, Santa himself is usually the benign figure. In his most dire cases he has a Krampus sorta figure with him to do the dirty work. Like that guy in blackface. He's the evil one.
Phew.
Meeeerry Christmaaaas!
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Lemon had a confused expression on her face. by
on 2018-06-06 01:43:00 UTC
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Mobian? she mouthed.
Chelsea blinked in surprise. “Sorry. It’s still kinda weird for me to hear about ‘world-building’ about my own world. But yeah, the world building’s pretty cool.”
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Seconding the TIerZoo plug (nm) by
on 2018-06-05 21:34:00 UTC
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Aaand I mucked the html up (nm) by
on 2018-06-05 20:42:00 UTC
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Another Plug by
on 2018-06-05 20:41:00 UTC
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHsRtomD4twRf5WVHHk-cMw”>TierZoo, which turns the animal kingdom into a Video Game
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More Pluggage! by
on 2018-06-05 19:22:00 UTC
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I watch a LOT of Youtube. So here's a few of the best.
XboxAhoy: Winner of TotalBiscuit's Arbitrary award for "Best Youtube Channel That Isn't Mine," Xboxahoy is one of those bizarre channels that has no right to exist or be as good as it is, but is and does. Ahoy does TV-documentary style... well, documentaries. Like RetroAhoy, a series about classic videogames, their development, and what makes them so special, and Iconic Arms, about real-life weapons and their portrayal in media and games. In addition, he does various absolutely fascinating one-off projects about things like the roots of Open-World, the DNA of Minecraft, the history of FPS on the Amiga, and a five part series on the influence of the Cold War on videogames, all with his characteristically polished graphical and audio production.
Bruva Alfabusa: If The Emperor Had A Text-To-Speech Device is brilliant, and it's practically an institution amongst all the 40k fans I've been able to find. Watch it, and SUMMON WIND-UP KITTEN, IN ATTACK MODE in your local game of Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roulette-Hypercube-Chess-Strip-Poker forever more.
And... dangit, I've wasted all my time and space. Here's a quick list of other people who are equally worthy of your time:
Tom Scott and associates
Ashens
Door Monster
Extra Credits
Accursed Farms (Freeman's Mind)
>Killian Experience
>Gigguk
>James Veitch
Miracle of Sound
>Noclip
>Super Bunnyhop
Probably missing a few. Oh, and also pointer to GeekNights, which is a pretty good podcast, and they also do the best panel.