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Points to Kilik Rung from Soul Eater (nm) by
on 2017-07-02 16:56:00 UTC
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Moderate amount is a bit subjective by
on 2017-07-02 16:04:00 UTC
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So basically what you are saying it that having a somewhat large moveset that does not defy canon is fine if it is used in the story, not plot breaking, and relevant? Would you consider it a decrease in character relevance if some techniques overlapped in usage (such as a character having both a fire fist and lightning fist attack)?
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Not if the fic is to remain logical by
on 2017-07-02 15:29:00 UTC
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Well I do have to make my characters outsmart opponents either way. But, if I take away the stuff that makes them powerful, many people will question how my characters are even making a scratch, outsmart or no; it's not as if my characters have access to PPC technology. I have already limited their power to the minimum required to plausibly beat a Huckebein member via smarts; and, I have given them drastic consequences to using full power. I am really stuck on what to do, any less powerful and my characters have to rely on deus ex machinas to win.
If you want a reference to how powerful the villains are, check out the Standing in the Battledome portion of this link and maybe a couple of the Huckebein pages, especially Curren, Cypha, and DeVille:
http://www.outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/14-fiction-profiles/525-magical-girl-lyrical-nanoha
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A character's not a list! by
on 2017-07-02 15:27:00 UTC
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What a character is supposed to be is an entirely different thing from what a character actually is in a story. Which is an important distinction to make, because delivery of a character is everything. Technicalities about what powers a character has and how they can use them and how skilled they are with them and how many flashing lights those powers can create don't mean anything when they're separated from a character, in action, in their story. You can (I mean, within reason, I suppose. There're some things that just... can't be done well,) use the bio of a Mary Sue to deliver a good character in a story, and you can use the bio of a well-written character to deliver a Mary Sue. You got to look at things like how the techniques affect or reflect their character, or things about the reason for the character having said technique in the first place.
A Mary Sue has lots of techniques and powers essentially for bragging rights - you'll see a million Sues get bestowed heaps of abilities and powers which will get used once to show off and be forgotten, which aren't shown at all, or which are used but don't even affect the plot or anything. They're supposed to be all skilled and have all these techniques and all, and in practice they just look like a sockpuppet being held up by a badficcer who's surreptitiously saying 'Lookit me, I'm real cool!'
A well-written character who has lots of techniques and powers will actually have those techniques and powers relevant to them, whether it's as extensions of their character and backstory and all (be a bit weird if a ninja character couldn't be sneaky or any such,) or whether those techniques and powers will actually contribute to the story at hand. It can go a lot of ways, from the ninjafellow using his sneaking to bypass some obstacle, or maybe he gets all angsty about his sneaking because his love interest has an unnecessary hatred towards sneaky things. However it's done, a well-written character's skills are directly relevant to them and their plot, and if you took away said well-written character's skills, they would be losing important aspects of their character. If you took away a Mary Sue's skills, they would be losing annoying bragging rights. And of course, the Mary Sue and the ninjafellow could very easily have the exact same skills and techniques and bio - it all comes down to how it's delivered in the story.
There is a bit of a problem with large numbers of techniques generally being associated with Mary Sue types. It, once more, goes down to the issue of how the techniques relate to the character and why they're there. An interesting character generally doesn't need that many skills or techniques to be interesting. Sometimes it's even better to have less, to put emphasis on the ones they already got. Meanwhile, a Sue, which has no interest in any of that kind of stuff, can stuff themselves with as few or as many techniques as they want, because the techniques, for all purposes, essentially don't exist.
So, lots of techniques does not equal Sue. It might imply a Sue, it might be a symptom of a Sue, but it doesn't equal a Sue. Don't get me wrong - I will be very suspicious of a character with heaps of skills as opposed to one with a more moderate amount. And I do not think that I am incorrect in being so. But, nah, doesn't outright indicate one, I don't think.
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And therein lies the problem by
on 2017-07-02 14:52:00 UTC
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Having characters master too many abilities is a bad thing for sure. However, "know" and "can use" is not the same as mastered; assuming the author meant mastered a technique when he says that a character simply knows said technique is fallacious, unless shown in the fanfic that the OC has indeed mastered it, though this is up for interpretation. Also, many people seem to equate number of techniques with power. Although this is usually true in a Magical Girl environment, it isn't the case in many other settings.
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It depends on how it is executed. by
on 2017-07-02 14:19:00 UTC
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One reason to call "Mary Sue" may be that the OC is assumed to be quite young (teenage self-insert) and cannot plausibly have the twenty years of training canon characters needed to master a similar large arsenal of techniques.
HG
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The dreaded nitpicker is back. by
on 2017-07-02 13:51:00 UTC
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"Tales in the Nursery":
Owain looked up blue eyes bright in his pudgy little face.
Punctuation is my weak point, but I’m quite sure that there should be a comma between "looked up" and "blue eyes".
"Come As You Aren’t":
PPC gatherings are very important for building morale and, and cooperation between agents and departments.
I’m not entirely sure that the double "and" is intentional, although it appears to work for me (conveying that Dawn is excited and speaks a bit faster than she can think here?).
As always, I enjoyed reading your stories.
HG
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Happy very belated birthday. by
on 2017-07-02 12:43:00 UTC
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While I’m here, I spotted a tiny mistake in one of the previous interludes, "Illogic Bomb":
Ripper accidentally tipped his bowl and spilled a bit his drink onto the table.
I guess this should be "a bit of his drink".
And in the current birthday interlude:
... my author decided I was best suited to Remnant in light my characterization.
Shouldn’t this be "in light of my characterization"?
— a sectioned bo staff staff like Nami’s —
I may be wrong, but I don’t believe that a "bo staff staff" is a thing in any word world.
“Hey, good to see you again!” he said, beaming.
I guess "he" is Chris talking from the console, but using his name instead of "he" would make this clearer; there’s a confusing lot of people around.
I’m looking forward to getting the still spoilery answers to the quetions I would like to ask from your future writing.
HG
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About people calling out Mary Sues by
on 2017-07-02 09:45:00 UTC
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I find that a lot of OCs in action fanfics are subject to this; does having a large number of techniques and/or use a couple of canon loopholes to have a plethora of abilities really indicate a Mary Sue? I personally think that this is only the case in certain genres of action because the concept of power works differently. However, I see a lot of people hating on characters because said character has a large arsenal of techniques. I feel that this is unfair to a lot of fanfic authors who have characters with a lot of skills without warping or breaking canon, stretching canon perhaps, but definitely not breaking canon. So, I wanted to ask the PPC community for your opinions on the matter.
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I agree; they're getting pretty spammy. (nm) by
on 2017-07-02 08:54:00 UTC
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*teacher voice* I don't know-can you get a hell yeah? (nm by
on 2017-07-02 01:49:00 UTC
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Re: row limit by
on 2017-07-02 00:55:00 UTC
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The current hosting for T-Board limits us to 10,000 database records (there's one per post, among other things). We're currently about halfway to the limit. However, that includes all of the random test junk from when I was showing things off initially and all of the old Other Board from 2008 to 2012. So, at the rate we're going, in about five years we'll need to clear off some of the junk and in a bit less than a decade we'll need to think about some archiving (or finding more suitable hosting).
So, tl;dr, feel free to use T-Board for RPs and such. The problem is far in the future, and we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
- Tomash
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Yep. We moved. by
on 2017-07-02 00:44:00 UTC
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Among other things, not having the Board and backup Board on the same systems is nice.
The old Other Board is still around for historical reasons (and because I haven't archived it all yet)
- Tomash
- Yes. Germoney. by on 2017-07-01 17:40:00 UTC Reply
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Wait a minute... by
on 2017-07-01 17:32:00 UTC
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Is the T-Board the same as the Other Board now? I saw that on the Wiki, there used to be links to a Board, Other Board and T-Board, and they were separate, but now I just see the Board and T-Board. Have they combined? Has the original Other Board gone out of use?
-Twistey
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Accidentally hit post before I finished by
on 2017-07-01 17:30:00 UTC
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Maybe we could put them on the T-Board for the sake of making things a bit easier. Is there anything I need to know about the T-Board?
-Twistey
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Do parties count as RP? Who runs the T-Board? (nm) by
on 2017-07-01 17:29:00 UTC
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Ah, that explains why I don't remember you. by
on 2017-07-01 17:27:00 UTC
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Because you weren't active :P
Either way, still take my newbie gift. You can use it to take out Mary Sues very efficiently ;)
-Twistey
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And the answer is... by
on 2017-07-01 17:22:00 UTC
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Yup! Figured we'd have a party to celebrate Germoney stepping into the circle of countries that respect their people! ;3
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Seems like it :3 (nm) by
on 2017-07-01 17:20:00 UTC
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*squints* Can I bring Alex Fierro? (nm) by
on 2017-07-01 17:17:00 UTC
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Then I have my theory. by
on 2017-07-01 17:12:00 UTC
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You're inviting gay people, aren't you? Or, well, Magnus, at the very least, is bisexual, so let's just say LGTBQ+.
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Certainly! (nm) by
on 2017-07-01 17:10:00 UTC
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That's a no again... by
on 2017-07-01 17:09:00 UTC
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But say hi to our newest guest, River Song.