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I use male pronouns, however I have no problems with people using the singular they or any kind of gender-neutral pronouns when referring to me.

This isn't drama, and I'm very glad you didn't make a clean break of it.

I hope you enjoy your time acknowledged by the rest of The Board! Here's a Coppermind, to store all the memories you'll make here. Otherwise, what are your preferred pronouns? I'm never sure what to call people here. I'll see you around, I guess.

*Hides Frozen Claymore*

Thank you! *sniffs, then starts eating* Mmmh, tasty.

Hello, and welcome aBoard! For your newbie gift, take this plate of freshly-made SPaGhetti!

You've answered my usual questions, so I'll just say I hope you like it here. :)

Okay, now I know what the earmuffs are for, at least until I have practised a lot more.
As for fandoms, there are quite few. Reelatively high on my list are probably Harry Potter, PJO and HoO, Discworld, and the Mirrorworld cycle by Cornelia Funke. I do like LotR, although it's been far too long (let's see... woah, must've been around ten tears already *grins in embarrassment*) since I've really reread more than just a couple chapters at a time.

Hope ya have fun here!

Of course it doesn't, and of course it shouldn't. That's why I started the post by asking Data to cut it out. But again, your posts feel just as disrespectful to them as theirs do to you.

Your actions seem reasonable and merited to you. Data's actions seem reasonable and merited to them. I assume. On this thread, I would say Data certainly crossed the line first. They saw an attack where none was intended. ...I assume.

On the other hand, if someone replied to you with this:
Wonderful. I'm glad you were able to correct my lack of trivia knowledge without addressing the fact that your argument, point, and premise were entirely wrong.

...would you -not- see it as an attack, or at least, unmerited snark? I'd be a bit defensive.

Again. Please don't think I'm trying to attack you. I promise that's not my intent. But lately, your replies to Data feel a lot like my earlier replies to July. I saw them as necessary - contradicting stands I saw as wrong and needing correction. It culminated with this, if you don't remember. She, correctly, saw them as a knee-jerk response to someone I had a beef with. I was being immature and holding a many-years-long grudge over past drama. This, between you and Data, is obviously very different, in large part because it's very recently that Data has said some really nasty things about you, and very recently that you proposed a ban for them. So the wound is pretty recent. And I'm not saying you don't have legitimate cause.

What it comes down to is that I don't see Data or you responding to urgent issues that need responses, I see both of you taking opportunities where you have a legitimate reason to argue with someone you have a beef with. I'm honestly convinced that it's a matter of time before there's another drama blowup (and I'm not convinced I haven't just started one, which would suck a lot). Ideally, I'd ask you both again to try and work this out. But at this point, you've made it clear you see no point in trying to mend fences with someone who deliberately antagonizes you. (Given Data's behavior, I assume they feel the same way.)

I understand that you'd like to utterly ignore Data Junkie whenever possible. I get it. Essentially, what I'm asking is that, either you not make exceptions for things like this, or that you bear in mind when you do, that you're reading their posts through a very specific lens.

And I would very much give Data the same advice, if they would listen. That they are reading all of your posts through a lens of "We Speak Different Internet Dialects" and also through "We Don't Like Each Other." If they can't put this lens down, and even if they can, it would ultimately be very helpful if this would stop happening.

Are the ideal features of a chosen badfic?

Mission writing guide suggests that you need to be able to show the fic's awfulness, along with your characters, and that a fic ought to be able to be made into a story someone will want to read.
These are all probably the sort of things that you just know after a while, but are there specifics?
Or, at least, what you'd reckon would be a good reason to choose a specific badfic?

Brilliant idea, though!

For my newbie gift, I present to you an urple ocarina, complete with wilver earmuffs to block out the noise. =]

May I ask what your fandoms are? I'm into LotR, Narnia, Worm, and quite a few others.

-Alleb

Well, Hi guys, and girls, and other, and square bracket insert preferred form of appellation square bracket!
I've been lurking around here and the wiki for about half a year, give or take, after discovering the PPC through TV Tropes and seriously getting investested with the characters of some of the stories.
I've already read the constitution and am currently in the middle of the original series.

... is to utterly ignore Data Junkie whenever possible. But sometimes it isn't possible, like when they want to create rules based on nonexistent age rules.

I agree that being responded to with a put-down, drive-by or not, doesn't feel very nice. Are... are we saying it should? I tgought putting people down was a bad thing?

hS

That 'the zodiac has been changed' news reports go back to 1995, when it was the Royal Astronomical Society that had supposedly done it. The truth is, the signs of the zodiac are miles out from the constellations anyway; they're just shorthand for 1/12ths of the sky.

Though I intend to engage in specylative astrology tomorrow...

hS

Since you're betaing for one of my fics (and no, it is not dead), it would be remiss for me not to return the favor.

I can help with the PPC prelude (of course), and I happen to have played a Pokemon Ranger game (though not Shadows of Almia specifically; IIRC, I played the very first Pokemon Ranger game).

First off, what Des said. Please cut it out, Data.

Second off, can maybe both of you A) refrain from replying to each other for a while, or B) seek some kind of conflict resolution? Every single time I see that Data has replied to hS, or vice versa, I have this brief moment of hope, where I think that maybe it'll be something of a peace offering, and everyone will calm down. Instead (and I just glanced back through the past couple pages), nearly every time, it turns into snarking irritably at each other.

I'm not blaming either of you for this overall pattern, for the record, though I suspect that will offend both of you.

I will admit this is guesswork, based on what I know of your respective personalities. If I offend you in this, I apologize - I'm only trying to point out something I think might help. That said, this is what I think is going on:
Data has a posting style that tends to be brief and irreverent, and hS has a posting style that tends to be detailed and narrative. When hS feels his posts aren't getting adequate responses, but drive-by put-downs, he naturally feels disrespected. When Data's posts get lengthy, word-by-word responses, they feel attacked and undeservedly dressed-down. This is, I suspect, due to the fandoms and fandom experiences both of you have been through. Regardless of its origin, it remains that regardless of original intent, both of you have the tendency to quickly feel disrespected and upset after conversing, and start firing back. I see Data get into insults more quickly, but again, I suspect that's because they are -reading- hS's posts as insults.

Again, I've been hoping for a long time that a peace would naturally occur between you. But it doesn't appear to be forthcoming at this point, so I'm going to ask, in light of the fact that almost every time you interact it turns into a personal argument of some sort, that we start talking about a solution. Of some sort.

If I've overstepped my bounds or am being condescending or have upset either of you, I really do apologize. I don't mean to. I'm just very tired of seeing two people I tend to like as individuals ripping on each other.

-VM

When you press 'open in new window' instead of 'open in new tab'.

But I'd like to see what the community thinks. If nobody objects by... Wednesday when I return from work (around 18:00 Israel time), I'll add it to the doc.

... that we have never thought to add 'and why you've chosen it' to the request to name a badfic. It's such an obvious idea!

Desdendelle, I think you're 'in charge' of tweaks to the Permission process right now; I'd like to propose we add this.

hS

So first of all, I'm looking for one or two people who would be willing to look over my Prelude for my PPC agents before I post it.

Secondly, I'm currently planning on writing a few fanfics in the next year or so, and thought whilst I was asking for beta's for the PPC thing above I'd ask for people who would be willing to beta a fanfic in one of the following Continuum's:
Elder Scrolls (Skyrim)
Star Wars: The Old Republic
Dragon Age (all three games though starting with Origins)
Pokemon Ranger: Shadows of Almia (Pokemon would probably be enough, but knowledge of the Pokemon Ranger games would be appreciated)


If you're interested in beta-ing my PPC Prelude, or if you want to learn more about the fanfics (and when the time comes beta them) let me know.

Storme Hawk

That you were this close to being banned five months ago because, to put it in your own words, you were a dick to a lot of people. I suggest that you tread lightly indeed.

And I would say yeah, having a new writer picking their own fic is so we can see they have an eye for what makes an interesting mission. Nothing says they can't claim something from the unclaimed list for later, though.

Isn't the reason we ask newbies to name the badfic they plan to spork first so that the PGs can see that the applicant knows what makes a badfic sporkable? IIRC, people applying for Permission have been denied for choosing from the Unclaimed Badfic list, let alone adopting one that a community member with thorough knowledge of PPC missions has abandoned.

Not to mention, since Ix is back, she might want to re-claim the fic? I don't know how this would work.

--Key

If you think you can make a clean break from us you have vastly underestimated how much we all care about you. *shakes finger in your face, then lightly taps your nose* And I'm so glad you're still around.

And to everyone else: you all are important to me too. If you have posted to this Board even once, I have taken note of you and developed an emotional investment in you and firmly believe you need to carry on, and you will like it much better if you keep going. I'm not exaggerating.

Beige and brown it, why are so many people suicidal or self-destructive. How do we fix the world.

--Key

This dude's really thorough (I bet he's a huge stickler for canon; yay)!

--Key, irregular female pronouns.