Subject: I'm on SeaTurtle's side on this.
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Posted on: 2015-04-18 16:12:00 UTC
A fic like this is just too complicated to pull off. It would require too many Untanglers, Assassins and Floaters.
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If anyone wants a look... by
on 2015-04-17 21:49:00 UTC
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I found a crossover-in-the-making on DeviantART a while back that seems slightly familiar (well, certain canons do, along with the multicrossover aspect):
universescollideinc deviantart com
Do any of you recognize this/is it worth looking into? They have three writers, and they all seem to be in their 20s. Nothing seems to have been written yet, but the idea's all spelled out in journals and profile comments. There's also an original race, but that seems to be in order...
Seriously, they've been working on this for years, and that takes serious dedication. Gotta admire that.
I don't have a DA account of my own, so I can't talk to them myself. ^^;
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I agree with Scapegrace. by
on 2015-04-18 02:26:00 UTC
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These people have a naming system like Erin Hunter in Warriors, only less awesome. And besides that...
How in the holy name of Xerneas is a Celebi/anything hybrid possible?? (Though the Celebi/Shaymin fusion pic looks quite nice.) It's like she doesn't even know they're in the UNDISCOVERED EGG GROUP!
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*twich* by
on 2015-04-18 01:25:00 UTC
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I don't see how this is going to end up well...
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If worse comes to worst, we can still walk away/mission it (nm) by
on 2015-04-18 01:36:00 UTC
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Based on the amount of canons at issue... by
on 2015-04-18 01:40:00 UTC
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That might end up being close to an all hands on deck kind of thing.
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I know we [the Board, I mean] avoid Crises generally... by
on 2015-04-18 01:43:00 UTC
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But how many people would mission this, honestly?
Or how many would it require?
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I wasn't talking anything like that per-se, by
on 2015-04-18 01:53:00 UTC
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More so if it were completed and missioned, there are just so many parts that there would likely need to be multiple people to tackle all the mess. But I don't think it will be needed. It largely looks like it was discontinued at this point.
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Besides, we're not fanfiction police vigilante. by
on 2015-04-18 01:59:00 UTC
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If it's too complicated to spork then it's not worth it.
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Yeah, but it might have been fun to work it. (nm) by
on 2015-04-18 02:07:00 UTC
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I'm on SeaTurtle's side on this. by
on 2015-04-18 16:12:00 UTC
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A fic like this is just too complicated to pull off. It would require too many Untanglers, Assassins and Floaters.
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That does assume it ever got finished (nm) by
on 2015-04-18 19:24:00 UTC
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Yes. ^^ *passes out (nm'nm)s for all* (nm) by
on 2015-04-18 02:02:00 UTC
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Of course, since the original reason this caught my eye... by
on 2015-04-18 00:32:00 UTC
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...is that it seemed like prime badfic material (And a good place for a co-write, no less), I shouldn't blabber. ^^;
I'm just gentler than the average PPCer, it seems - I haven't the spark to spork/outright hate a work.
(Oh, sure, I'll snarl if certain favorite continua are included, but I won't bite the author or tell them that they suck. I just keep cooped up, and find better things to read.) -
I agree by
on 2015-04-18 00:35:00 UTC
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That many continua at once. There is a guarantee something will go horribly wrong. But do you have a link to any of the stories? I would like that before judging.
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That sounds a bit pessimistic by
on 2015-04-18 12:28:00 UTC
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Look how many continua the PPC crosses over with. And has that gone horribly wrong?
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I couched it in language that was too strong by
on 2015-04-19 23:08:00 UTC
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It is not a guarantee, but the more moving parts something have, the more likely it is for something to go wrong. Potentially horribly. Kind of like an engine.
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Wanna know the difference? by
on 2015-04-18 16:28:00 UTC
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We're good at this. Them? I am getting a distinct impression to the contrary.
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Okay... by
on 2015-04-18 19:13:00 UTC
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As I don't know anything about any of the continuities involved, I've got no way of judging what - if anything - they're doing wrong. From my point of view, it looks as if you're being pessimistic and assuming it's all going to go wrong without giving any reasons why it makes you feel that way.
OK, that's not quite fair. You menyioned something about hybrids or something, but this is a crossover. In story terms, is there any good reason why (for example) scientists from one universe couldn't use advanced techniques from all the different universes to create new, previously-unknown hybrids of creatures from another universe? (OTOH if the hybrids just somehow magically exist, with no explanation, then yes, it is bad. But until the story's written, there's no reason except pure pessimism for assuming that.) -
The Pokemon hybrids are with Legendaries. by
on 2015-04-19 10:39:00 UTC
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Legendaries cannot breed.
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Do Pokemon have DNA? by
on 2015-04-19 17:45:00 UTC
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Or, indeed, DNA-analogous structures?
If so, mix in a bit of Jurassic Park technology, and you can make any hybrid you want. Ingen managed to mix amphibian DNA into stem-bird DNA and create a viable creature with aspects of each - I'm sure they can do the same with Pokemon!
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They do, infact, that's the reason of why Mewtwo exists. (nm) by
on 2015-04-19 19:00:00 UTC
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Don't be silly, Mewtwo can't exist. by
on 2015-04-20 08:02:00 UTC
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It's derived from a Legendary, and, didn't you hear? Legendaries don't breed. ^_~
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Technically, wasn't; it's a clone... (nm) by
on 2015-04-20 16:30:00 UTC
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Uh-huh. by
on 2015-04-20 16:46:00 UTC
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All I can say is, whoever made him is really bad at cloning.
Or maybe really good... I mean, cloning consists of taking adult DNA (Mew's) and putting it into a viable egg. (In mammals that's an egg cell, which also needs to be implanted into a surrogate, but Pokemon are egg-layers.) Since we know Mew can't breed, it can't have eggs (that whole 'laid an egg' thing is clearly a misreading). So where did they get the egg?
The answer is obvious: Mewtwo is an inadvertent hybrid between Mew and another, yet-unidentified Pokemon. Comparison time!
Compared to Mew, Mewtwo has:
-A more pronounced tail/stomach.
-Longer and more round-ended fingers and toes.
-Shoulder armour.
-Squarer ears.
-More height and longer limbs.
-A more pronounced neck.
-A blockier head.
What Pokemon could be the source of those? Let's see, if we limit ourselves to Kanto... well, Clefable looks promising. It's got the ears, the tail, the fingers. But no neck. Let's keep looking... the Abra lineage would give the shoulder stuff, ears, height, neck... most of it, actually.
So there we have it. Mew's DNA was implanted into an Abra egg. Clearly, a ruthless scientist stole an Abra's egg (remember, no-one knew Pokemon laid eggs at this point), mucked about with it, and claimed it was Mew's; no-one picked up on the similarities to Kadabra/Alakazam because, well, Abra are annoying as heck to get hold of. They'd never seen one.
^_^
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Well actually... by
on 2015-04-21 04:41:00 UTC
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There's proof that at least Mew can breed, is just that trainers aren't allowed to, due to game mechanics.
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Actually, there's one Legendary that can. by
on 2015-04-20 11:10:00 UTC
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Manaphy, though the egg it lays hatches into Phanapy, which doesn't evolve, so there's some debate among the fans as to whether or not it counts.
Also, in the games at least, going through the Cinnabar Island laboratory, you come across old journals and things the scientists trying to clone Mew left behind. One of them mentioned that Mew laid an egg. -
The evidence is clear: by
on 2015-04-20 11:42:00 UTC
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Legendary Pokemon can breed.
They just suck at it.
Seriously, one produces mutant babies every time, another is apparently prone to Amazonogenesis. How badly wrong do you think the other pairings would go?
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... ohallright.
Experiment #72: Moltres/Zapdos. Pokemon communication translated by Professor Doctor Meowth, PhD.
"Oh, Moltres, you're so hot!"
"Zapdos - you electrify me."
"Take me, Moltres. Consume me with your fiery passion!"
"Right! Uh... do we do this in the air, or...?"
"I think Wailord and Skitty do it in the water."
"I'm weak to water."
"Maybe on the ground, then? If I lift my leg up-"
"And if I come up like this..."
ZAP.
WHOOMF.
"Owwwwww..."
Results: severe burns across 34% of Zapdos' body. Moltres rendered unconscious by electric shock.
Experiment #73: Deoxys/Meloetta...
Yeah, sounds reasonable to me.
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Thank you, for making me laugh. XD (nm) by
on 2015-04-20 18:14:00 UTC
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*too busy laughing uncontrollably to speak* by
on 2015-04-20 11:51:00 UTC
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Actually, you know what I'd pay money to see? Arceus/Giratina.
You're welcome.
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Hmm, how much money? by
on 2015-04-20 12:24:00 UTC
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The coffers at Castle Kwenaya are running a bit low, what with the
theftsecessionloss of Critta-Kalthin, and the considerable costs of moving the Cyclopaedia to- ah, but that's a secret.
Experiment #114: Arceus/Giratina. Pokemon communication translated by injecting it directly into the researchers' brains.
=So. You have returned.=
"Yessss. How long hasss it been, Arceusss?"
=Not long enough. Your presence cannot be tolerated, Renegade. Depart. Now.=
"Depart? But I am your creation, Arceusss, just as they are."
=You are as unlike your siblings as Dark is unlike Psychic. You exist solely because your Distortion World is safer when it has a master. Had I been granted but a little more time, you would never have been formed.=
"Now, Arceusss, isss that any way to ssspeak to your new mate?"
=... what?=
"Have the ssscientists not ssspoken with you? You are to create again, Arceusss. Our child will be the greatessst ever seen. Now come here, my lovely..."
Results: Blast radius 5 miles wide, destroying all structures but leaving living things unharmed. Giratina banished back to the Distortion World. Researchers left with bleeding ears and permanent deafness.
(Do they have canonical personalities? These seemed to fit. Also I fought hard to keep Giratina from saying 'my preciousss...')
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Oh dear goodness. by
on 2015-04-20 12:47:00 UTC
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I think the Bad Slashers just felt a chill. XD
And shaddap, I already said Lady Iximaz would e willing to provide that sand you wanted.
Speaking of the Cyclopædia, you still want help getting a Wiki set up and whatnot? -
Possibly/probably. by
on 2015-04-20 13:00:00 UTC
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Operation Sherbet Rain is currently in the planning/feasibility stages; once I've got the technical details sorted out, I'll throw something your way.
(Sand is all very lovely, but he'd much rather have the taxes and trade as well. ;))
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Dangit, why can't June come faster? by
on 2015-04-20 13:10:00 UTC
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Everyone I've talked to has been pretty excited for it.
And alrighty, I'm ready whenever you need me. *brain falls into the gutter* -
Obvious answer: by
on 2015-04-20 13:32:00 UTC
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Because this sort of thing takes time.
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Aha, that explains a lot. by
on 2015-04-20 13:41:00 UTC
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Plus, if we went straight to June, I'd be missing my birthday, and that would be sad.
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No, which is why I can't judge it myself. by
on 2015-04-18 00:40:00 UTC
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It hasn't been posted yet. :/
Of course, with at least three years and three authors (and therefore at least one designated beta) behind it, you'd think we could hope for the best.
Alas, that seems to be all we can do. >:[And these are twenty-somethings here! Badfic has no designated age range, of course, but still, it's disheartening.] -
One of them has a tricolour beagle. by
on 2015-04-17 23:19:00 UTC
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No, sorry, my mistake, that thing purports to be a Houndoom.
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Now, Now, Scapegrace by
on 2015-04-17 23:27:00 UTC
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I picked it for their writing, not their drawings - they even admit (further down the page) that they can't draw as well as they write. I'll withhold judgement until after I can see the fic. :}
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But it's garbage! by
on 2015-04-17 23:34:00 UTC
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If this is the approach they're taking to Pokémon canon, I dread to think what horrors they're inflicting on everything else!
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Fair Enough. ^^ (nm) by
on 2015-04-17 23:36:00 UTC
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Okay, so... by
on 2015-04-17 23:45:00 UTC
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I just had a look at their OCs.
The folder for their OC art is titled, and I quote:-
"Orinigal [sic] Universe OCs"
Now, leaving aside the tautology, I don't trust someone's writing skills when they can't spell as basic a word as that. Sorry, I just don't. =[ -
AND THERE'S A HOUNDOOM/CELEBI HYBRID- by
on 2015-04-17 23:26:00 UTC
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Breathe, Cassie, remember to breathe...
(hatehatehatehatehate)
Oh, and the patterns are just... weird. And clashing. And occasionally you get godless creatures like the hybrid Beautifly/Delcatty aberration and OH SWEET MERCIFUL ARCEUS IS THAT A HYBRID MOLTRES/ARTICUNO LEGENDARIES CAN'T EVEN BREED HOW DOES THIS EXIST SOMEONE MAKE IT NOT EXIST-
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*sees own name in post* *gets very confused* (nm) by
on 2015-04-18 03:22:00 UTC
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Sorry. Didn't mean to confuse. =/ (nm) by
on 2015-04-18 12:12:00 UTC
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Did you get a good look at the Kyurem/Absol mongrel? by
on 2015-04-17 23:29:00 UTC
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Oh, DeviantArt. Never change.
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I am endeavouring to pretend it isn't there. (nm) by
on 2015-04-17 23:35:00 UTC
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