I do not know wether you are going to read this post or not, but in case you are, I want to apologize to you.
Even though I did not post as much as others during the incident, I am still guilty, like every other person present at the time, of not stepping in. Yes, emotions were running high. Still, that does not excuse the fact that I did not take a step back and did not realize what kind of action was being discussed. Instead all I said was that I was "not sure" about posting the picture on the board.
I know how hypocritical it comes off to apologize so late, but I both wanted to take a few step backs and think about what I was going to say, and go through the chat logs so I knew exactly what happened and what was being said, and what I did. Emotions can cloud the memoryjust like they cloud the judgement, and I did not want to make the mistake of letting that be the case this time.
Once again I apologize to you. I can understand your decision to leave, especially after this incident, and I cannot and have no right to try and stop you.
~Akrinor
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My apologies by
on 2017-03-20 16:26:00 UTC
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Here's the ban votes from down below. by
on 2017-03-20 16:16:00 UTC
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I've gone through and tried to find the most recent votes by everyone who hasn't (yet) posted in this thread. Here's what I've got:
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Desdendelle - bans for everyone involved in the Discord discussion.
ninny4370 - no bans.
Sergio Turbo - abstain at this time.
[EvilAI]UBEROverlord - long-term ban for Tomash, some form of 'discipline' for Alleb and Granz, no bans for others.
Akrinor - no bans.
Alleb - no bans.
Aegis - no bans.
18th
PoorCynic - permaban for Tomash, year ban for Alleb, Granz, and Khrssty, 4 month ban for Aegis and Ekyl, no other bans.
SkarmorySilver - no bans.
Granz - no bans.
The Triumvirate - 6 month ban for Tomash, 2-3 month ban for Alleb, Granz, and Khrssty, 4 month ban for Ekyl, no other bans.
Iximaz - 6 month ban for Tomash, no other bans.
Seafarer - 6 month ban for Tomash, no bans for anyone else.
Badger421 - no bans.
Mattman the Comet - 1-6 month ban for Tomash, no other bans.
Neshomeh - 3 month ban for Tomash, no other bans.
19th
Hieronymus Graubart - no bans.
There's pretty clearly no support at this point for banning anyone other than Tomash. That could obviously change (anything's possible), but only four people have even suggested it.
The tallies for Tomash, including in this thread, are:
-Permaban: 2
-6 month ban: 4
-Long-term ban (unspecified): 1
-1-3 month ban: 2
-TOTAL BANS: 9
-No ban: 11
-Explicit abstain: 3
-TOTAL VOTES: 23
There may be some errors; feel free to recalculate when it needs updating.
hS
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*hugs* (nm) by
on 2017-03-20 14:06:00 UTC
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I respectfully abstain due to lack of knowledge. (nm) by
on 2017-03-20 14:06:00 UTC
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That is true. by
on 2017-03-20 09:30:00 UTC
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But it was either that, or not apologising for what I did at all, which is unacceptable.
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Betas for Permission request by
on 2017-03-20 09:17:00 UTC
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I'm currently working on my Permission request. If you're interested in beta-ing, could you please PM me on Discord.
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My three cents by
on 2017-03-20 09:09:00 UTC
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1) As I think I've made clear, I am completely pro mods. I wish we could all be trusted to use our judgement and get things done, but we quite obviously can't do that. We need mods to officially propose votes, to officially announce verdicts, and to just be proactive about things that cause a lot of dithering otherwise.
2) I vote to ban no one but Tomash, and only to ban him for a month, or not even that.
3) I don't think we should change the Discord. The community feeling of the PPC is a lot stronger because of it. Yes, it causes problems, but no more than the Board does. Things get quite heated here too.
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I'm abstaining from this vote (nm) by
on 2017-03-20 05:54:00 UTC
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Making NSFW/NSFB fics off limits might solve that by
on 2017-03-20 05:37:00 UTC
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It would also prevent older PPCers from having an advantage, because there's a lot of NSFW badfic. I've got a decent list, so I think I can handle that.
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Re: Why not specify... by
on 2017-03-20 05:35:00 UTC
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I think the time limit on fics would be a good idea. I was trying to accomplish something similar with the ban on anything linked in the PPC wiki, but I think your idea accomplishes that better.
As for hunting only in a single fandom, I'm not sure about that. I have seen fandoms unexpectedly go dormant, and then not come out of hibernation on the expected date. However, it would also help prevent everyone from finding swarms of HP/LotR items.
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What I did isn't your fault by
on 2017-03-20 02:38:00 UTC
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Yes, I was worried about you at the time I posted that information in chat. However, that absolutely doesn't excuse my actions, and it certainly doesn't make you responsible for them. You didn't cause me to make that mistake. Neither you nor your words somehow crawled into my brain and turned off my ability to not do something really stupid for a few seconds.
Like Nesh said somewhere, we all need to take responsibility for our own choices. I'd prefer that you stop blaming yourself for mine.
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Matt. Dude. by
on 2017-03-20 01:56:00 UTC
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July has made it very clear that she does not want you to talk to her, at all, ever. You don't get to decide when or where that ends. This was not smart. You HAVE repeated your mistake. Please get it through your head that NO means NO.
~Neshomeh
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That's reassuring by
on 2017-03-20 01:39:00 UTC
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Hopefully, this person either doesn't want to kill you anymore or wasn't on the Discord at the time.
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It wasn't from this time. by
on 2017-03-20 01:20:00 UTC
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The death threat in question was from the last time all of this happened, here in the PPC with the irc.
Thankfully they didn't know my actual name at the time.
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Uriel called for the group to regroup. by
on 2017-03-20 01:14:50 UTC
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"Alright my friends, I believe that we should finish stocking up and proceed to the next room," He points to the map, specifically Room 7. "I say we proceed to this room, beelining towards the room with the river of acid." He let his finger linger on the map, allowing his Eldritch Presence to store a copy into it's incomprehensible memory.
Bellas, having left the treasure room, nodded along, working on enchanting the new bow.
((Uriel attempts to use his Eldritch Presence to create a copy of the map. Bellas is working on enchanting her bow.))
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Oh god (censored swears inside if you want to avoid them) by
on 2017-03-20 01:09:00 UTC
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(I've said a lot of this stuff to July, but I think it needs to be out here)
Outing someone's real name on the Internet without consent like I did in a moment of complete idiocy is wrong in all circumstances, but now it seems that this case was worse than most.
It appears that my belief (stated in another post) that none of us would want July killed isn't (or used to not be) true. That means that my posting in the Discord could have actually had a decent chance of ... f**k. I didn't know about any of the history until yesterday afternoon, but that's no excuse. I f**ked up real bad there, and I wish I could go back in time and slap myself silly.
Now, I have to ask. Did anyone who was participating in chat at the time know about this stuff, especially the death threats? If so, I'm surprised that I didn't get any calls to "DELETE THAT NOW" or similar, either in chat or privately, from someone who knew the full potential consequences of my actions. I assure you, I would've listened.
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Re: your ban by
on 2017-03-20 01:06:00 UTC
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I think you're being too hard on yourself there. There's no rule that says newbies have to stay out of the serious stuff, and in fact, your lack of previous involvement might have in many circumstances been a good thing, because you wouldn't have been coming into the discussion with some preconceived notions about various people. And from what I can tell in the logs, you weren't running around calling for bans or anything like that. You mostly confined yourself to summaries of what was being discussed and general proposals for reform.
That said, if you want to ban yourself (from the Discord or the PPC) for a while in penance, I can't possibly object. Your call.
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Round 25 - Return of The Dungeon Crawler! by
on 2017-03-20 00:48:57 UTC
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Virro: (10) Looking through the scrolls in the chest, you find a battered old scroll that, despite its state, absolutely reeks of necromantic power (if such a thing could smell that is). Picking it up, you read it (silently of course, you don't want to accidentally do something with it whilst you're not prepared), and you realise you have stumbled across an artifact long thought a myth by most necromancers. The Scroll of Black Death, is an artifact with a mind of its own, only letting its finder have a certain number of uses of it before it disappears to be found by the next necromantic prodigy. You instinctively know you have 7 uses of this scroll before it leaves your hands forever, an you can use these uses to either: Raise a loyal Zombie Lord from a dead corpse in the same room as you, Deal 1D20 damage to every living thing in a room other than yourself, and heal undead and yourself by the same amount, Or Control every undead creature in the room and keep them under your command indefinitely.
Evard: ()
Uriel: (7) You manage to work out that there are absolutely zero secret passages or hidden traps of any kind in this room at all. You also manage to sneak a quick look at the map https://s7.postimg.org/ymlalaky3/SWATCOTHA_full_map.png
Keegra: (9) You find some bracers that have the same styling as your belt. Sure enough they are Bracers of Monk Training and give you a bonus to fighting unarmed.
Xiv'riit: (11) You find what would look to most like a simple robe, however you are able to see through the illusion and know it is a Robe of the Elements, a rare set of Cleric robes given to exceptional Shardmind Clerics. Praying your Gods won't mind you wearing it, you put it on, and feeling no damnation coming for you, you think they do not mind. Now you are not worried about your Gods, you feel the benefits of the Robe. Besides being padded enough to provide some armour, it also gives you four Blessings that are always effective, Blessings of the Earth gives you the ability to withstand blow you simply could not before, Blessings of the Air gives you acrobatic skills beyond what you have ever learnt, Blessings of the Flame gives your weapons an extra touch of damage in combat, and Blessings of the Water makes you resistant to other Elemental attacks.
Kali: ()
Yeleni: ()
Priya: ()
Bellas: (10) You find a nice composite longbow on one of the weapon racks, whilst your short bow is currently better, it is enchanted whereas this one is not and you feel it would be better once the enchantments are laid upon it. In addition, this longbow feels like it would be better at piercing armour than normal bows. Gained Composite Longbow (+4, Ignores half of targets Armour in combat)
Centorea: (5) You fail to find any armour on the weapon racks unsurprisingly, however you do find a semi-decent Axe, which if not for use in combat could always be used to break down any light obstacles in your way. Gained Axe (+2)
Davug: (10) You find a nice looking set of Heavy Armour that you quickly put on. Gained Banded Armour (Heavy, +5 Arm)
Shaban: () You wait in the Room 4 for Virro's next orders
Room 5: There are five male warriors standing a little bit back from the door in a line. The outer two are Lizardmen, whilst the other three are all dwarves The dwarves are clad in plate mail, and wield a shield and an axe each, the two Lizardmen are wearing some kind of Heavy Armour and are wielding Greatswords. Each of the Lizardmen are also holding the collars of a Guard Dog and seem ready to release them at a moments notice. Further back there is a female elf wearing Leather armour, wielding a Longbow with a full quiver of arrows on her back, Next to her is a female Centaur wearing Mail Armour with some Javelins strapped to her back. Finally, almost out of sight is a small Kobold in Light armour with a sling. The room itself is another long rectangle, although this one is thinner than room 4. There do not appear to be any other doors in this room, although a lone painting seems to stand out almost at the far end of the North Wall and two lighter shades of stone are almost opposite each other on the North and South Walls about a third of the way down. The rest of the room looks well used, a temporary smithy/kitchen seems to have been set up alongside some benches and desks with things going on on them and a small sleeping area. Noticing you are not Undead, the Warriors seem to relax slightly, and bid you welcome to, as they call it, "The Last Bastion."
Room 6: The room is relatively small, probably the smallest room you've been in so far, although the contents of the room may make it feel smaller than it actually is. In one of the corners there is a massive amount of weaponry, in another a massive collection of armours, a third has rings, belts and amulets galore, whilst the fourth corner holds a single chest. Directly opposite you is a map that looks different to the ones you have seen previously. The door that lead into this room has mysteriously disappeared, and in front of the now vacant doorway is a small rectangular welcome mat. This must be one of the treasure rooms scattered around the dungeon that you have heard about.
Rudig: () Arms full on new armour you take it back to The Last Bastion to begin Improving and fixing so that it'll fit who it needs to.
Gikur: () With Rudig's arms full of armour you go and search through the weapons in case anything is better than what you, and the rest of The Last Bastion currently have.
Urouk: () You stand guard, looking out of the known entrance to The Last Bastion.
Trijask: () You continue to guard the door to The Last Bastion and watch for enemies to kill.
Gantuxuz: () You stand in room 6 watching out for any traps, and offering a hand to Gikur to help him carry the weapons back.
Guard Dogs: () you wait for Trijask to give you an order and attack.
Renna: () You move over to where Rudig has put the armours down and help him go through them.
Prilanos: () You move back to The Last Bastion and move to help Rudig.
Blearm: () you giggle quietly, the normal people in The Last Bastion ignore you as they always do, you know you're not right in the head, if you were you wouldn't be where you are.
Characters:
Virro: Weapons - Pure Longbow (+8 (5 + 3), +1 Dam against Undead) Quiver(35 Arrows), Armour - , Other - (+1 Cir when guarding a door or doorway), Orc Bodyguard (You control what your Orc Bodyguard does each round), Undead Orc Bodyguard, Necromantic Genius (+2 Cir when trying to raise undead), Necklace of Poison Immunity, Scroll of Black Death (Raise a loyal Zombie Lord from a dead corpse in the same room as you, Deal 1D20 damage to every living thing in a room other than yourself, and heal undead and yourself by the same amount, Or Control every undead creature in the room and keep them under your command indefinitely. 10 uses) Health 26/26
Evard: Weapons - Dagger(+2), Dagger(+1), Armour - Studded Leather Armour(+4, Invisibility), Other - Invisibility (Can turn invisible for one round (counts as a passive action), Cannot be noticed or attacked by enemies whilst invisible, +1 Circumstance when attacking whilst invisible. Invisibility can be activated once every 4 Rounds (Rounds Remaining 0, Invs ready to activate)), Health 27/23
Uriel: Weapons - Club(+2), Armour - Sturdy Robes(+1), 2 Leather Armour(Light +2 Can't be Worn) Other - Belt of Advanced Monk Training (+3 Dam when unarmed.), Knife-Hand (+2 Dam when Unarmed, Can only hold items with one hand, Improved.), Club(+2, Not used), Tea, Ring of Hardened Skin (+2 Armour) Health 37/29
Keegra: Weapons - , Armour - , Other - Ring of Thur ('Rub thrice and drop it' and a mysterious stranger may arrive to help you for a turn, One use only), Belt of Monk Training(+1Dam when unarmed), Undead Bane (+3 Cir When fighting Undead), Rudig's Horn (Can be used twice to summon Rudig and a random number of others from the Last Bastion to help you until the end of the fight, can be used as a free action whilst in a fight), Bracers of Monk Training (+3 Dam when unarmed) Healing Potion (3 uses left), Elemental Resistance Potion (3 uses left), Mystery Potion(3 uses left). Health 26/22
Xiv'riit: Weapons – Spork(+3), Fatal Touch (+6, Lethal Touch, Return Policy), Armour - Robe of The Elements (+1 Arm), Other - , Ring of Thur ('Rub thrice and drop it' and a mysterious stranger may arrive to help you for a turn, One use only), Known Enemy (+2 Cir when interacting with Zombie Lords), Undead Bane (+2 Cir when fighting Undead), Lethal Touch (Once per room you can activate Lethal Touch to double the attack bonus you gained in the round you activated Lethal Touch and the damage dealt by Fatal Touch in that round, this is done before the dice roll for combat. However you lose 1D6 Health every time you activate Lethal Touch), Return Policy (If the item with this rule is not in your hand, or on your body it will automatically return to your hand (if one is free) or sheath itself to your side (otherwise), Blessings of the Elements (+5 Health, +2 Cir when defending, or doing something Acrobatically, +1D4 Damage, Take 1D6 less damage from elemental attacks) . Bag of Holding (Inside, spiked metal ball) Health 33/33
Kali: Weapons - Deer Shot(+3, Deer Fling), Armour - Leather Armour(+1), Other - Deer Fling (Once per room, you may fling a Deer instead of a stone at an enemy. This does +1D8 damage, and the difference between the offence and defence scores (either way) is taken as damage by the Deer. If it survives this it stays around as a permanent companion following your orders), Health 16/12
Yeleni: Weapons - Quarterstaff(+2), Armour - , Other - , Health 30/26
Priya: Weapons - Monk's Spade(+2), Armour - Banded Armour (Heavy, +4), Other - , Health 19/25
Bellas: Weapons - Shortbow (+5 (2 + 3)), Composite Longbow (+4, Ignores half of targets Armour in combat, Not Used) Quiver (99 Arrows), Short sword (+2), Short sword (+3), Short Sword(+2, Not Used) Armour - Sturdy Robes (+1), Other - , Health 16/12
Centorea: Weapons - Long sword (+4), Axe (+2, Not used)) Armour - Shield (+3) Studded Leather Armour (+3), Banded Armour(+1, Not Used) Other - , Health 24/20
Davug: Weapons - Mace(+2), Handaxe(+2) Armour - Banded Armour (Heavy, +5), Studded Leather Armour(+3, Not Used) Leather Armour(+2, Not Used), Other- Admirer(+2 Cir when fighting alongside Keegra), Health 22/26
Shaban: Weapons - , Armour - Leather Armour (Light +2), Other- , Health 3/7
Gikur Ironfeet: Weapons - Waraxe(+2, Improved), Armour - Full Plate(Plate, +7), Shield(+3) Other - , Health 25/21
Udouk Goldtank: Weapons - Waraxe(+2, Improved), Armour - Full Plate(Plate, +7), Shield(+3) Other - , Health 28/24
Rudig Stoneheart: Weapons - Waraxe(+2, Improved), Armour - Full Plate(Plate, +8), Shield (+4) Other - , Health 29/25
Trijask: Weapons - Greatsword(+3), Armour - Banded Armour(Heavy, +6), Other - , Health 33/29
Gantuxuz: Weapons - GreatSword(+4), Armour - Banded Armour (Heavy, +7), Other - , Health 22/18
Guard Dog 1: Weapons - Teeth(+2), Armour - , Other - , Health 10/6
Guard Dog 2: Weapons - Teeth(+3), Armour - , Other - , Health 8/4
Renna Liaran: Weapons - Longbow(+5 (2+3), 99 Arrows Remaining), Armour - Leather Armour(Light, +3), Other - , Health 29/25
Prilanos: Weapons - Javelins(+1, 22 Remaining), Armour - Holy Scale Armour(Mail, +4, +2 Cir When Healing/removing injuries, +4 Health given when restoring Health), Other - , Health 31/27
Blearm: Weapons - Sling(+2), Armour - Padded Armour(Light, +3, Can only be worn by Kobolds, Goblins and Halflings), Other - Hyperspace Market Stall (Can trade with people), Health 14/10
Loot in Room 4: 2 Leather Armour(Light +2), Mace(+1), Scale Mail(Mail. +3)
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Re: Shall we vote in an official capacity now? by
on 2017-03-20 00:35:00 UTC
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- I vote for no mods, of any sort.
2. No bans. I've been on too many boards and involved in too many communities that have had overzealous, almost draconian mods using banhammers like sniper rifles in a Deathmatch game. I don't want to see this community go the same way.
3.I don't know Discord well enough to suggest changes, so I'll leave that to those in the know.
- I vote for no mods, of any sort.
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This is also to test the thing! (nm) by
on 2017-03-20 00:28:00 UTC
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Seeing as how this board is dead... by
on 2017-03-20 00:27:00 UTC
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I will use it to test a thing! A wondrous thing!
maybe
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If by any chance you feel like reading this... by
on 2017-03-20 00:16:00 UTC
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These are the first words that I mean to direct at you since the incident I've caused, and now so it happens those shall also be the last. I know you hate me, and you have the full right to do so, but for that one final time I would like to get your attention:
I have no excuses for my behaviour, both this one and almost six months ago. I didn't do anything to prevent the mob from rising, I let my emotional attachment overtake me, and for that I will accept any punishment the community should impose onto me. The previous time I acted high-and-mighty, tried to force my way of thinking onto you, and completely ignored your decisions, all while under the delusion of being a friend.
Truth be told, I am still grateful to you for what you did back in 2015 for me. You are honest, direct, and no-nonsense to the absolute maximum, but whether you are a bully or not... that's not for me to say, and I shouldn't build my opinion based on the events I wasn't there for.
I will not repeat my mistake and will not even think about stopping you from leaving. What we did put you in potential danger and as much as I would like for us to part ways with at least neutral relationship, that's unfortunately nothing I can do about anymore.
So, to sum up, if any of this has any worth to you anymore: I am sorry, JulyFlame, for all this messed up stuff I've put you through.
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Good idea to move this to a new thread. (nm) by
on 2017-03-19 23:24:00 UTC
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I'm sorry. by
on 2017-03-19 23:09:00 UTC
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There's no point in trying to make a long post explaining myself because I know nothing I say can ever make up for what I did. It was wrong, it was stupid, and it was horrible of me to say what I did and cause this to happen to you.
Take care.