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First off, I'm very impressed that you got so much of it done! I find Sindarin an awful grind, so well done.

On the formatting: I actually didn't bother with columns. My version is a carefully-hidden table, with cell breaks to keep things lined up. It sends the whole thing wildly over to the left, but keeps it organised.

On lentition: I had to put myself together a little checklist of when it's needed, which I left in place at the bottom of my script. Feel free to crib it.

Rather than start... well, technically it's betaing, isn't it? Rather than start betaing your script, I'd like to ask where your vocabulary and grammar comes from. My preferred source is Ardalambion, but I can see you're using words that don't show up there ('Edel' for stranger, for instance). You also didn't use the common fanfic term 'daeradar' for 'grandfather', so it doesn't look like you're working from a fanficcy dictionary. What are your sources?

(Ardalambion Sindarin wordlist and grammar is based on David Salo's work, and is fairly comprehensive. I'm not saying it's right, so if you have a different source I'm definitely curious.)

hS

A bit late, I know, but oh well.

I think that runs afoul of the 'intentionally', plus it doesn't explain what we mean by 'harasses'. As shown in the previous thread, I interpreted it as 'engages in bullying-style behaviour towards', and that reading is implicitly supported by Article 9.

Putting it another way, this conversation:

OlderThanThou: Hey, Lacksi! Quit harassing Oaken (= replying to everything she says and name-dropping her in every post).

Lacksidacksical: That's unfair! I'm not harassing (= bullying, insulting, and attacking) Oaken, and saying I am is a personal attack!

Both OTT and Lacksi are 100% correct, and furthermore Lacksi isn't doing anything intentionally - she's just kinda obsessed with Oaken. ((Note: because this is Lacksi's character, not as a stand-in for GlarnBoudin, whose motivations I don't know.))

I do like the idea of slotting it in like that, but I think we need to be clear what the word means. How do you feel about 'pester'? It's a little lighthearted, but I think the connotations are closer to what we're talking about.

Re: 'stop means stop' - where it impinges on the Constitution, I think this is covered by parts of articles 5, 9, and 10.5 (the various 'if you're told you're doing something wrong, check whether you are and stop' clauses). Given that it is scattered around so much, I think it's somewhat diluted - might a restructuring of Section 2 to give 'what to do if you're being told off' an article of its own?

If you're worried about 'I don't like your opinion so shaddup'... urm, then I don't think there's much we can do. The old Constitution went with 'don't tell someone not to share their opinion', and that was thrown out (on the grounds that, eg, the opinion "homosexuality is sinful" is not allowed to be shared). I think we considered having a list of Protected Categories, but decided that would just lead to rule-lawyering - "oh, but income isn't protected, so I'm allowed to say that all poor people are scum!". At present, we have 'not limited to' and 'such as' in article 1, which avoids the previous two issues, but opens up room for "your opinion that spiders are cute is harmful (because I'm Australian and spiders are deadly) so you should be banned!".

((There was actually an episode of a children's TV show banned in Australia because it taught that spiders are super friendly and harmless...))

I think we have to have a certain level of trust in the PPC community. We have to trust that people won't try and abuse the rules - and that when they do, they'll be slapped down for it.

hS

PS: Does this mean that the Neshomesh/Huniesoron friend'ship is snuggly canon? ^_~

That there's a lot of fandoms the PPC is drowning in, that is!*
I reckon you'll do well here, then, oy?

That there's also a lot of fandoms I'm not part of, but that's besides the point!
My fandoms are very small, rather obscure and, frankly, probably rubbish.

Also, were you asking about my fandoms?
If so, thank you very much!
This feels a bit like I'm a carpenter and one of my clients has just come over to my house out of nowhere and installed the wooden outdoors toilet.
Assuming that's the case, anyhow.

If it's not the case, I suppose I'll just follow nature's calls indoors.



*Keep your grain of salt a-ready, for not only am I rather dumb and unobservant with a bad memory, but estimation is technically a part of maths, and I am therefore rubbish at it.
But, I swear, at least three of that four have other people knocking around following them.
Dunno if we got Inheritance people here. Perhaps!

Skarmorys have feathers made of steel... Sharpy-sharpy stabby-stabby.

What about just inserting the word "harasses" in Article 1? Like so:

The PPC community will not tolerate any individual or group who intentionally harasses, discriminates against, abuses, persecutes, or otherwise attacks others in any way, shape, or form, for any reason. Et cetera.

"For any reason" seems to cover attention-seeking that crosses the line into stalking, I think, without outlawing repeatedly reminding someone to follow the rules and behave as fits an aspiring writer?

I feel like we might want to say something along the lines of "stop means stop," too—especially if multiple people are saying it—but I'm not sure if there's an elegant place to put it, or how careful we'd have to be to avoid a situation where someone can use Power Word NO to shut up anyone who has an opinion they simply don't agree with, or wants to talk about something they simply don't like. I seem to recall some concerns with that sort of thing being raised in a previous Constitution-amendment discussion. I don't think we want to silence our occasional serious discussions about religion, politics, etc. We just want them to not devolve into flaming.

~Neshomeh

P.S. C'mere, Huinersoron! Neshomesh and Huniesoron have Canon Cookies, and I'm sure they'll share. ^_^

I agree about Bilbo, and The Hobbit in general.

I forgot to mention that I'm also in the Septimus Heap, Shannara, Redwall, Dragonlance, and Inheritance fandoms.

Awwwwwww!
He's heartbreaking, he's so cute, the little critter!

As a fine fellow who is largely unversed in The Hunger Games, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, and any of the Generic Fandoms (I've been trying to get into 6, I swear!) I can safely say we have essentially no fandom crossover. Other than those two times I read The Hobbit.
Or was it three times? Or fifty-seven?
Er. Bad at math.

But, yes, those were an absolutely brilliant one-hundred and thirty-eight reads, they were!
If there's a book out there with a soul, it's The Hobbit.
And Bilbo, mate. Don't get enough characters like him.
Or, well. I don't read enough characters of that type.

Unless you are Cassie Cameron-Young in disguise, you can't actually hand out mini-Balrogs. Sorry. Cassie is keeping that list. (And incidentally, Borromior is not on it. Where'd he come from?)

Unless she deputized you and I missed it?

~Neshomeh does miss things occasionally.

ThankyouthankyouThankYouTHANKYOU, fellow Boromir fan! I will take very good care of Borromior.

Also, thanks for the popcorn.

Here's some popcorn and, since you're so interested, Borromior the mini-Balrog! He likes bacon, raw eggs, and fangirls. Nice to see someone else giving Boromir some love. :)

Link here. =]

I was just curious about why, it makes sense though.

So, a rather important thread has fallen off of the front page without conclusive resolution being reached on several important matters. We have reached consensus on the idea of a world-readable mod channel, and #upstairs has been created.

However, the question of what, if anything, to do about GlarnBoudin has not yet been fully resolved. The vote was initially called for in this subthread. A current vote count (which hasn't changed much since the previous one) is below. We seem to be in general agreement on Option 1 (giving Glarn one last chance and automatically banning him for a year if he breaks the rules again), but the matter is not entirely resolved. In addition, the mod team has been able to locate evidence of misconduct due to the introduction of a search feature to Discord.

As a result of the evidence and discussion surrounding it, Huinersoron has called for Constitutional amendment proposals, if needed in response to an apparent lack of clarity in the Constitution on the subject of stalking and other similar forms of harassment.

Current vote counts (same trickle-down count as before):

Number of people who voted: 19 (Tomash, Tira, Good Mod Addict, Desdendelle, SkarmorySilver, Granz, Neshomeh, Akrinor, Delta Juliette, VixenMage, Mattman The Comet, eatplaylove, Hardic, Sergio Turbo, Storme Hawk, doctorlit, Matt Cipher, Aegis, Huinersoron (I think))

Option 1, as written: 84% (everyone except eatpraylove, Mattman, and Akrinor)

Option 1, but with a permaban: 16% (Tira and doctorlit)

Option 1, but with a 3 month ban: 95% (everyone but Mattman)

Option 1, but with a 1 month ban, and then a permaban if it happens again: 5% (Mattman). If the "and then" is removed, I could interpret this passing unanimously.

Short, symbolic ban: 10% (Tomash and Akrinor)

Chat probation on return: 5% (Tira)

Ban: 0-5% (I'm not sure if Huinersoron was voting in favor of it or not)

Please don't reply to the thread that's not on the front page. If you want to continue a discussion from there, please quote and/or link to the post you're replying to from the other thread.

- Tomash, this week's designated paper pusher

Oh my GOSH! It's THE Neshomeh!

Actually, there was a Balrog x Acromantula hybrid in HFA. I'm assuming it's the result of misspelling a character's name in a crossover fic. I was wondering if there were more...

Thanks for answering my question.

I've recently been working with this very information, and every mini article on the wiki should have information about how to adopt that mini in its infobox. For a lot of them it's just "try asking on the Board," but in the case of mini-Balrogs, there is actually an adoption center! You should ask there; or if that fails, try cassie.dramateacher at gmail dot com.

Now, I'm not sure if you meant to say you also want a mini-Aragog or if you were being silly and/or looking for some sort of terrifying Balrog x Acromantula hybrid. I can help with the former, but not so much with the latter. ^_~

~Neshomeh

Have one of my own shed feathers and a complimentary kit of Spikes!

EEEEEE!!! URPLE! It SOUNDS so urple!! Thanks for the earmuffs, they're quite unfortunately necessary.
Everything is perfectly fine at Awesomeness Central ;), apart from the urple noise (it's fast become my Plovermir's favorite toy *shudders*) .
So glad you like "The Skipper."

Welcome to the PPC, fellow LotR fan! How is it at Awesomeness Central? My newbie gift to you--an urple ocarina! And some wilver earmuffs. For the noise.

I'm actually familiar with that fic. I'm not up to writing an in-depth analysis of it in regards to Legendary status at the moment, but such a thread should be made, and I will comment on it.

-Alleb

Yay! Black-hole coffee.
And there's no way that any coffee whatsoever will be left for the other peoples, I have the black-hole of coffee (muahaha).

I have been faced with the friendly reminder I am unable to do two things. One is write in Sindarin. The other is formatting in Google Docs.

Here is mine . Warnings for a large amount of Sindarin grammatical errors and improper lenision (which i still can't get the hang on) as well as the mess that happens when nice, orderly columns are put through the Google publishing process.

At the very least, horrible as my translation can be, I managed to finish the first two real scenes. I also coined an (unused) phrase for the Tardis: Lú Ar Narnen Genediad Athra Menel (Time and Related Measurements Through Heavens)or for short: the LANGAM.

It's growing on me.