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Fandoms: Harry Potter, RWBY, Discworld, random one off novels that I wish had more fanfic, too many tv shows, Sherlock Holmes (all of them)
I fear the remnants of my attempt at a mission still little some pages so I'm going to go uh-- deal with that.
Eventually.
Pronouns are he/him.

Thank you?
I still have that fishing pole someone gave me the first time around I wonder if that will...
Oh god, you weren't kidding about the singing were you

(I should probably greet newbies and returnbies more often.)
Welcome (back) aBoard! I don't think I was here when you were active in the PPC, but it's nice to see you here! c:
Anyway, have this... I'm not sure what this is. Don't look at it for too long, just to be safe. And do not pay attention to the singing.

I remember your user vaguely but mostly what I remember is being kind of an edgelord. Sigh.
Also should I do the listing of fandoms thing because they've changed some.

I remember you, too! Have this plate of welcome-back SPaGhetti!

So three years ago I posted here under the name "lightdarkpheonix" for a while, obtained Permission and then began but never finished a sporking of the fic Life of Cristancia.
It is now three years later and I kind of miss the PPC but have no idea how to return.

So uh, hello!

Everything said on Discord can be checked again, but the thing is, if I wanted to, say, search for a message from October, I would have to scroll up through thousands upon thousands of messages before I found just the correct month.

Luckily, Discord is going to implement a search feature to look for old posts... one of these days... (It's basically still in development and only available on a few servers at the moment.)

Do Discord channels maintain a permanent or at least medium-term record of what's said on them? I get the impression they do, but I don't think anyone's said directly.

hS

I'm going to assume you don't mean Section 3 should be followed in emails, and that you're mostly looking at Sections 1 & 2. By and large, they should indeed be followed - but check out the context: Don’t engage in bullying behaviour, and don’t say anything about another PPCer you wouldn’t say to their face. Harassing others by private means is just as serious as harassing them in public, if not more so, and will be treated as such.

There are things you'll say to your friends that you wouldn't say in the same way to someone's face. If Sassafras is refusing to listen to concrit, you might email your friend to say "argh, why won't they listen?!" - whereas to them, you'd say "I really think you could benefit from taking this on board." In a community space, the former is borderline flaming, because you're broadcasting your frustration to everyone. In a private email, it's just an expression of frustration.

It goes the other way, too: I've been more forceful to people about their own behaviour by email than I would be on the Board, because I know that it won't be picked over by everyone else - it won't influence how other people view them.

Coming back to your question: I was the first commenter. No-one had suggested the PMs at that point. ;) As far as I'm aware, they're just emails under a different name, so I don't know that it would be different.

(Not coming off as antagonistic, don't worry. I deal quite well with direct 'what is your opinion about X', and even 'I think you're factually wrong about X'... most of the time, at least.)

hS

Section 2, article 9 says, "However, the rules of civility and respect do not disappear outside PPC community spaces" which to me reads "when engaging with other PPCers in private conversation, you should still follow the Constitution".

Unless I'm reading too much into that?

And as for the community space vs private email thing, how is email any different from the mods PMing each other? A group email versus a group PM?

(I'm not trying to be antagonistic here and I'm sorry if I'm coming off that way, I'm genuinely curious.)

Specifically, this post and the preceding ones.

Well, I didn't see that many missions where no killing is involved, or DIC without any sort of things which should be killed (guess it's time to fish for more DIC Spin-offs). Make for an interesting read.

Anyways, I found the mission good at showing what was bad in the fic, especially with the writing...

On one hand, I can understand Ilraen being in love and wanting to fit with his supposed culture, but... Farilan is a textbook Andalite, and Andalites are these guys with planet-sized egos, dripping xenophobia as qualities. You deserve far more and far better, dude.

And if you really want to try your chance, find a way of making her eat cinnamon buns. Andalites seem to have a problem with them.

V nyfb yvxrq gur sberfunqbjvat sbe Fhowhtngvba jvgu Ahzr. And nw, I'm curious about how the poor guy was burnt in the past to develop this mindset...

Little furry macropod hobbits, is what they are.

That you've ignored roughly 90% of Nesh's post. There was more to it than "you shouldn't have said Iximaz should be ashamed".

As a community, we provide various spaces - the Board, T-board, the chats, the LJ-DW comm - for people to interact in. We have expectations about how they will do that, embodied in the Constitution. And we have community oversight: if something happens contrary to the Constitution, everyone can know it happened, and have an informed opinion.

An official PPC space where some people can't go breaks that. It says: 'we are the ones allowed to judge our behaviour. Your opinion, as a member of the community, is no longer relevant'. Whether or not the people in question - and all potential future users - are trustworthy, that's a message I don't like the sound of.

(I'm aware that the old chats also lacked that kind of public record. Things on this thread have implied Discord retains logs, which is good.)

It's also simply exclusionary: in a supposedly equal community, there is suddenly a place that some people aren't allowed to go. Cat also suggested adding certain oldbies to the channel, which means it's not just elected moderators: it's 'this channel is for the worthy, and you are not worthy'. Again, not a message I feel we should send.

Contrast email. It's not a community space. It hasn't been set up by the community. It's not under the full Constitution. It's not... official. If I email one person and not another, that's not because I'm excluding the latter - it's because I didn't choose to email them.

Did that make any sense?

hS

The Quokka!

Specifically, the only things that I would expect to have discussed on a mods-only channel is the sort of oldbies-only discussion that we've had via email. From where I'm sitting, an email exchange between the two of us and assorted other oldbies talking about Board drama is really not terribly transparent- it would fail both of your questions, if I'm understanding them correctly.

Why is the difference between a PPC space (separate Discord channel) and a non-PPC space (email) significant to you?

I won't use 'bad words' in acting either, or in reading aloud - and only in a couple of very specific circumstances in writing. In hindsight I shouldn't have let so much of that leak over into the way I wrote the '[Winces]' post, and I'm sorry for coming over aggressively; my aim was to clarify the situation, not to accuse.

Thank you for giving a clear answer without getting riled up by my tone.

hS

(PS: oddly, one of those specific circumstances is Morgan and her 'b-bombs'. I think it's because the first one came from Lily in the Blackout fic, but for some reason I've been able to adopt that without much trouble.)

I do actually think that 'is not used to attack' and 'is not percieved as such' should be requirements for any moderation process (as I'm sure everyone does?), but I'd not describe my post as trying to impose them.

As to the rest: Cat's post specifically discussed avoiding things that caused problems in the IRC. I used that as a hook to explain my concern. For what it's worth, while I'm concerned that the current proposal seems to be being analysed for its positives rather than its negatives, I can't actually see any problems with it. So, yay?

I don't see the chats across history as a monolith - the problems with the Bravenet chat are very different to the problems from the IRC - but I do see live chat as a fertile breeding ground for serious issues. Apparently you've already had at least one, per the discussion up-thread. But yes, I have an outsider's and a skeptic's (or cynic's) view, and those tend to highlight the negatives. So I'll believe you when you say it's generally a good place.

As to your comparison with the Board:
-The Board isn't moderated.
-Actual spam is deleted without discussion.
-Bans are publically discussed and voted on.
-Neither the Nameless Admin(s) nor the Permission Givers use a PPC space for private discussion, which was the proposal here.
-Ultimately, the answer is that we are all moderators on the Board, and that discussion happens publically or by email.
(Since you know all that, I'm just gonna assume you had a reason for asking that I can't spot.)

hS

I started writing this project for NaNoWriMo last year. I failed to reach even a third of the goal, but I'm still working on it, albeit slowly.
It might as well be fanfic of Hyun's Dojo with my own OCs, but I'm building an alternate world to compensate for the lack of solid canon.
...I don't really have enough to describe the story properly, I'm still working on the beginning act.

First off, again, I'm sorry that I came across as shutting you down. I used some pretty snide turns of phrase and I really should have thought twice before opening my big mouth.

That said - I was reading some pretty dismissive things into your post, and reacting to that reading. I feel like your comparison to the mess around the IRC was dredging up past drama for drama's sake rather than being terribly relevant to the current situation, and then your questions posed "in the interest of fairness" felt to me like they were some sort of requirements that you were imposing on a Discord moderation process, rather than prompts for discussion.

So - to respond directly, I absolutely believe you are allowed to have your own opinions, although I do have to wonder what you mean when you say "the chat" - the active users on the Discord in the last week (that I've seen) have been a different group of people than were on the IRC in either its heyday or the days of drama, and also a different group of people than we had on the dear old Bravenet chat back in the dark ages. The chat is not a monolith, and I feel like you're assuming that it is.

My take on your second thought is a bit more nuanced - it seems to me that there are a great many comments that could be made about the chat, some of which are more valid and some of which are less so. People are people everywhere, and the constitution is the constitution everywhere, so discussing what is and isn't acceptable on those levels is very relevant and valid. But on the other end of the validity scale, were a discussion about, I don't know, the appropriate time to link something in #genericchannel rather than #recsand_plugs to spill over onto the Board, I'm not sure how useful the comments of someone who wasn't familiar with the norms of discord would be - while the end goal of having a nice smooth conversation is shared by everyone everywhere, what that looks like on the discord is rather different from what that looks like here. We only have experience with what we have experience with - I certainly don't think that I would be able to offer valid comments on Wiki governance issues beyond very high-level Constitutional stuff, because I haven't been significantly involved in the wiki in years.

And finally, to answer the questions you posed - the current suggestion on the table is to have the mods channel be readable by everyone, but only allow mods to post there. Between that and the mods' incentives for keeping chatter on that channel to a minimum (to make catching up on incidents quicker), there should be very little chatter that isn't discussion of moderation issues. And having it be globally readable should address your second question.

(For comparison's sake, how does the Board handle transparent discussion between moderators?)

IT'S SO TINY I WANNA HUG IT I WANT LIKE TEN OF THEM WHERE CAN I GET ONE

*falls over*

Because I bet you plebeians haven't heard of our planet's insultingly tiny antelope.



And that makes them stern-face at you. (That one's a baby, for the record, but they don't grow a whole lot by adulthood.)



o,o

I'm sorry for making you uncomfortable. It was the best example I could think of of something that divides people more because they grew up in a different culture than because they grew up with different moral/ethical standards. Like... I know better than to make fun of people with disabilities. I know better than to call people names. But I grew up seeing that word treated as more similar to "ditz," which is more or less acceptable, than to "retard," which does make me cringe to type, because I was taught not to use that one ever.

I will vehemently defend anyone's right to use any word as a word, in demonstration, though. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a strong taboo in some cases, but if we can't ever name a thing to explain why it's bad, then how is anyone new to the discourse supposed to understand? It would have been pretty confusing if I'd said "something like the debate we had over that one bad word," right? Anybody who wasn't there wouldn't know what the heck I was talking about.

~Neshomeh