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And poor Lee! Well, poor Ian, really, since Lee is out of it and doesn't currently have a clue what's happening...

Don't you hate it when they plagiarize half the book and then stick their Sue into it? It's bad enough when their plot has holes you could fly the Enterprise through; worse when their plot is just plain stolen.

It's basically DMS divisions grouped by genre to make the Complete List neater. No actual PPC reorganization is involved.

I'd like some feedback on whether this is what we're looking for to reduce the DMS sprawl on the list page.

Sandbox

If it works for you guys I'll switch what I've got in the Sandbox for the actual complete list page.

I thought it had eyebrows

Name: Helen
Gender: female
Nationality: American (specifically the Northwest)
Fandoms: LOtR, anything Neil Gaiman, Susan Cooper, Sherlock Holmes (the books, not the movie), Battlestar Galactica, anything Joss Whedon, V, Starsky and Hutch, Princess Bride (book and movie), and if I list everything we'll be here all night
Hobbies: archaeology (my dad was an archaeologist), researching things, mythology (Arthurian, Greek/Roman, Celtic, etc), traveling
Likes: reading, tea, my cats, reading, watching reruns of Star Trek: TNG
Dislikes: taking Latin, actually having to work, people who are too lazy to be intelligent, people who are incompetent

Extra: writing is my life, I do very little else and I'm normally not all that talkative, hence my lurker status.
I guess that's it. huh, that was kind of fun.

Helen of Pylos (the face that launched half a dozen ships, 'cause everything's smaller in Pylos)

When I first joined, it was for the purpose of bashing badfic.

I'm not terribly good at humor, and I'm a hater of badfic. I tend not to get jokes, and the ones I do are... well... not exactly standard humor.

But--I'm going to get corny--the PPC is more than that. I didn't quite realize that when I joined; I'm a grammar Nazi at heart, and I find idiots hard to deal with. Like I said, I'm not very good at humor; I'm much, much better at writing seriously.

Unfortunately, when PPC gets serious, it becomes exactly what we don't want: "See Sue. Chase Sue. Kill Sue." This is bad. It's not what the PPC is, but it's something I have difficulty grasping, just because I am who I am.

So... yeah.

As you say, it's hard to keep track of such things, and this thread will eventually be shoved off into oblivion. Putting these details on our user pages on the wiki would make it easy to access for any new newbies that come along.

(Not that I'm suggesting we do so arbitrarily, though; everyone should update their wiki pages themselves, so as to only put up the details they feel free sharing.)

(Pen)Name: Sedri
Gender: Female
Nationality: British/Aussie/Kiwi-ish
Fandoms: Star Trek (all series except the original 60s), Wicked, Stardust, Narnia, Harry Potter (mostly inactive), Lord of the Rings(mostly inactive), Pirates of the Caribbean (mostly inactive), Enchanted(mostly inactive), and quite a few more that I dip my toes into from time to time. (Also, to the shock and horror of some around here, I have actually read all the Twilight books, and I did not hate them. I didn't like the gushy "oh-he's-so-gorgeous" prose, the two main characters, or the love story (therefore, 80% of the text), but I rather liked the rest.)
Hobbies: reading and writing (or is that too obvious to mention?), singing, and... more reading.
Likes: Good AUs (particularly the fix-it kinds), character explorations, logical extrapolations and plot extentions, fluffy romance (sometimes), and non-dirty humour, particularly when it's family-oriented.
Dislikes: cliches, cheap humour, implausible plots, forced romances, and sneaky OOCness that is hard to spot and therefore seeps into my brain while reading fanfic making it very difficult for me to keep a grip on canon characterisations when I write - this is why I try not to read any fanfic in the relevant continuum when I'm working on a story. And chatspeak, spelling errors, and bad grammar. I work as a proofreader, and I have a knife. You have been warned.
Other: On both Livejournal and FanFiction.Net I am "Sedri".

This is exactly the reason why I still wonder if we might be better off taking the TVTropes page down.

Also, you're not a failure; I've been struggling with writers' block, too. Besides, no one judges mid-to-old-bies such as yourself by how many missions you can write.

Well, there probably are reasons, but I don't care. And I'll copy your format out of laziness unoriginality.

Name: Vixenmage, VM, other assorted aliases, including Pax and others

Gender: Female

Nationality: American

Fandoms: Lord of the Rings (including all related works), House MD, Harry Potter, Tortall, Circle of Magic, Sandman, American Gods, Discworld, Dresden Files, Codex Alera, Runescape, Oblivion, mythologies, and other assorted tomfoolery.

Hobbies: Walking, singing, writing (obviously), playing guitar/French Horn/trumpet/harmonica-badly, whistling, climbing things, drawing, biking, playing Oblivion, roleplaying in general (but especially chat-based), making things up.

Likes: writing, English, language in general, music in almost every form, stories, characters, roleplaying, Outdoors, trees, The Ocean, mountains, tiny moments that make life a little more beautiful, interesting conversations, making something out of nothing, mythology of all kinds, artists, art, craziness, vegetarian sushi (avocadoes ftw!), birds, feathers, the taste of oil pastel (don't ask), chocolate, tea, coffee, loose and well-graffiti'd T-shirts, clothes that are about comfort instead of lust, metaphysics, conversations about metaphysics, people who can talk about theology without profanity, interesting and poignant and artistic graffiti... (I'll leave it; pages of everything that make life awesome are unnecessary, y'all can fill in the blanks)

Dislikes: chatspeak, leetspeak, netspeak, replacing letters with numbers, replacing words with numbers, (A/N: LOLZ! These stupid fracking things!!!1), idiots, the willfully ignorant, mindless vandalism, discussions that turn into angry arguments, poor characterisation, prejudice of any kind, stigmatizing against mental illness, classes where you don't learn anything, clutter (hypocritically so), cockroaches, people who kill spiders/bugs outside, litter, antagonism.

Other: I think we should share more non-PPC-centric ideas here. I miss the abundance of OT threads we used to have, though I think a lot of that gets siphoned off to the IRC, which is alright. It'd just be fun to see more craziness.

It's Part Two of Ian and Lee's most recent mission to the Harry Potter 'Verse, in which they finally find the answer to What If?

Many thanks to Miah for betaing this!

"Well, it didn't ruin my life. It just gave be a more technical outlook on the aspects of fiction..."

That sums it up pretty well. I like TV Tropes, but it hasn't helped my sanity any...

Avatar: The Last Airbender was a great series, and I doubt the sequel can live up to it... but I guess I'll have to watch it first before I can decide...

By "sometimes exist and sometimes do not", I meant to say, "sometimes coexist and sometimes do not".

I said she seemed a Canon!Say. I did not, however, say that Toph was a Canon!Sue or that I wasn't going to give it a chance. I just said the first thing that came to my mind about that description.

Oh heck, I'll jump on the bandwagon. I love the community too.

Name: PitViperOfDoom
Gender: Female
Nationality: American, half-Chinese on my mother's side
Fandoms: Redwall, Happy Tree Friends, Avatar the Last Airbender, sometimes Harry Potter, and I'm starting to look more into the L4D fandom.
Hobbies: Reading, writing, and drawing. I also love the outdoors, thanks to my mother's tendency to drag the family on crazy backcountry adventures.
Likes: Constructive criticism, cats, Chinese takeout, music in general, ferrets, and hiking/camping/miscellaneous outdoor activities.
Dislikes: Trolls, paperwork, homework, bad OOCness, stubborn writers who assume all negative reviews are flames, and fundamentalists. I really, really don't like fundamentalists.
Fun facts: I'm obsessed with a bunch of video games that I've never actually played before. I am completely indifferent to Twilight; there are some things I like about it and a lot of things I don't. I am very liberal. I often find myself enjoying movies that critics/everybody say are absolutely horrible. There are exactly three movies I have seen that I have not enjoyed: Dragon War: D-War, The Golden Compass (only temporarily, though), and Where the Wild Things Are.

I think there are probably people in philosophy or literature exploring that idea. It reminds me a little of the way Plato talked about essential concepts being more real than the things that took the shape of those essential concepts; or the way sociologists and psychologists talk about archetypes or about the way ideas spread and take on a life of their own.

Ideas are powerful and very, very real. And fiction is a kind of idea. So in a way, fiction *is* real; it's just not material.

I really like that. Nothing is changed internally, but the page looks much neater. It also helps label things that I am not familiar with. Before I tried looking up the numbers on ffnet, I had no idea that Legacy of Kain was a video game. I thought it was going to have to do with that old kung fu tv show from the 70's.

There are things (real world settings like CSI, NCIS, others) that I can see not fitting into any of those categories, but so far, no one has specialized in them.

I vote that we go with what you have in the sandbox for the real page.

Well, it didn't ruin my life. It just gave be a more technical outlook on the aspects of fiction...

One nice thing about Avatar: The Last Airbender is that it mixed, matched, and blurred tropes rather well. It was entertaining because the characters felt new and fresh, no matter how many bits of them happened to be actually pretty token. Tropes Are Not Bad.

But if the new series does not follow up this standard of quality, I admit I will be pretty sad.

My original introduction thread was not long ago, but I'll hop on the bandwagon, because why not?

Name: Nat, Lleu (Llaw Gyffes is optional)
Gender: male
Nationality: American, but I have always felt that I was meant to be Canadian
Fandoms: I am taking this with an implied "...that I would work in", as "things I like" proved to be too broad an interpretation. In no particular order, Animorphs, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, The Dark is Rising, Young Wizards, Diana Wynne Jones, Tamora Pierce (I tend to prefer the Circle books), Star Wars, Star Trek (particularly ENT and TNG), Pern, and there are probably a bunch of others that I'm forgetting. There are also things I like that I don't know that I'd want to work with.
Hobbies: role-playing games (I haven't had the chance to RP online in a very long time...actually, ditto for tabletop, unfortunately), writing, reading, various computer games (particularly Civ3 and KotOR), conlanging, languages, making RPG characters I will never use
Likes: good slash, listening to music, French, good books, D&D, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, Italian food, poutine
Dislikes: coffee and tea, fruit, my mind is failing to bring up other things I dislike, so eh
Other: I'm on tumblr as fralusans-ana-marein (or, if you're interested in my conlang stuff, the not-updated-in-forever constructed-adventures); I am also known on the internet variously as Pahh(ur/wenaz), Arunaza, and Sectori.

As someone else, MAXinsanity, I think, said, I hold that fictional characters are real, in the sense that they have existence in the mind. Conceptual existence and physical existence are distinct characteristics which sometimes exist and sometimes do not.

...I really wanted to know what everyone thinks about this, especially since sequels are (usually) not as good as the original, especially one as well-crafted as Avatar: The Last Airbender was.

And there's also the matter of the next Avatar herself. Ever since I found out that characters I liked/tolerated are generally considered (by fans) to be... uh... unlikable, I've been somewhat paranoid about new series. (And as much as I like TVTropes, it hasn't exactly helped in some ways either...)

But hey, maybe I'm wrong. I'll just have to wait and see.

Well, here's me. I guess this'll help for the Seattle Gathering...

Name: Pretzel or Christy
Gender: Female
Nationality: Native of Mukilteo, Washington (American)
Fandoms: Oh, geez. Um, let's see... Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis, Discworld, Narnia, Eureka, Firefly/Serenity, Warehouse 13, CSI, CSI: NY, NCIS, NCIS: LA, Star Wars, ST:TNG, ST:Voy, Are You Being Served?, Monty Python, Nero Wolfe, Sherlock Holmes, Leverage, Lie To Me, Rocky Horror, Riese the Series, Sanctuary, Harper's Island

The list goes on and is continually changing...
Hobbies: Writing (both fanfic and original fiction), reading, hanging out with my friends & family
Likes: the cheesy made-for-tv movies on the SyFy channel, books, the Nostalgia Critic/ Nostalgia Chick movie/tv reviews, The "Minds" machinima series (save for Felix's Mind), chocolate, good books/fic, steampunk
Dislikes: Not much, save for retch-worthy physics in a movie, bad writing, OOCness, people who use chatspeak in their everyday speech, people who are intolerant of other peoples' views, the vocal minority who give religions and other social groups a bad name
Other: I'm a closet (no pun intended) slash fan, mainly for Stargate Atlantis, even though I don't write it myself. I tend to latch onto side characters, and often it'll be those that people aren't particularly fond of, like Doctor Kavanagh from Stargate Atlantis. I proudly claim the title of geek girl, and don't care what people think about that. I'm a fraternal twin (though people rarely believe it when they see my twin; we're both girls, but she's 5'9" and a redhead, and I'm 5'2" and a brunette), have at least three "adopted" brothers, and tend to laugh at vaguely inappropriate moments during movies. I have an odd sense of humor, and am rather snarky when the mood takes me. I have been part of two ARGs (Alternate Reality Games), including one that's currently ongoing.

I really like music as well. I have eclectic tastes. Many types of rock--oldies, classic rock, older heavy metal, and 90's punk. Electric blues, Irish pub songs (especially The Dubliners!), bluegrass, and big band. Some of my favorite groups are: The Dubliners, Ozzy, Rob Zombie, Drowning Pool, Blink 182 (before they grew up), The Offspring, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Queen, Pat Benetar, The Blues Brothers, Johnny Lang, Allison Krauss