I'm forcing myself to rein in my cynicism. I don't know how they can follow such a great act. Will the characters be as good? Will the story be as rich? I honestly don't know.
As long as this does not become TeenageWasteland!Avatar, I am willing to entertain the general concept. What this depends on is execution...
Which means I'll extend my feeble patience to it, I guess. I am getting weird mixed feelings from this, but I find myself demanding proof of them and from a cursory glance I can't justify my leeriness.
So I guess I'll just make some tea and--
70 years, huh? I guess Iroh is dead.
Well, that just sucked the happiness out of this series prospect. No Iroh? No Sokka? Boo. It's going to suck.
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Interesting. by
on 2010-07-22 19:42:00 UTC
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Re: Inspired by the post below by
on 2010-07-22 19:39:00 UTC
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Name: Miah
Gender: Female
Nationality: American (Don't call me a Yankee, I'm Southern!)
Fandoms: Sherlock Holmes, NCIS, Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis, Monty Python, Anne McCaffrey, Star Trek (except Voyager and Enterprise), Star Wars (Episodes 4,5,6 and some of the extended verse, especially the X-Wing series), LotR, Mark Twain
Hobbies: Writing original and PPC fics, Reading original fiction and fanfics, research, making overly detailed plans that I know are not likely to amount to anything, being overly optimistic, making pictures of characters.
Likes: Goodfic, reviews, chocolate, brownies, iced tea, Chinese food, reviews, chatting, Cajun food, learning new things, documentaries, reading out loud to my kids, cuddling with my husband, reviews, movies based on comic book characters. IC fics of any sort, but I am particularly fond of non-sex hurt/comfort. (Whump: all about torturing the character and then putting them back together again without the sex that is common in standard hurt/comfort.)
Dislikes: Cleaning house, bugs, pollen, mold, heat (basically the outdoors 9-10 months of the year), sudden changes, face-to-face interactions in groups of less than about five, stupid rules, OOCness, canon breakage, cinnamon flavored candies, mornings, glitchy or slow computers and programs.
Other: I am pretty much Miah everywhere I go. Occasionally I am Miah79 (like on the wiki) or Miah.Arthur (like my gmail) or MiahArthur (like my LJ), but Miah is always in there somewhere. I write Agents Miah Arthur and Cali Still in DMS Freelance; RC 4096 (The Lair). I also write Agents (David) Kelok and Unger recently transferred to the All-Purpose Department, Sherlock Holmes Division; RC 1729 (The Fire Pit).
I am working on understanding and writing humor, and improving my use of dialogue. I have a real problem with grammar, like a grammar phobia. It doesn't make sense. It has variable applications. Nothing can be said, "Always do this with this thing". Anyway, I do try, and I always request a beta that can check grammar before I publish a mission or interlude. That doesn't stop me from making errors in Board posts, chats, and emails, though.
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Also, emoticon trivia. {= ) by
on 2010-07-22 19:38:00 UTC
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Every once in a while, I get asked why my emoticons have hats, and I'm sure the number of people confused by this far outnumbers the number who actually ask. So, here's why:
Mainly, this guy, the Pilot of Moya, from Farscape. You see, lo these many years ago, before I'd even heard of the PPC, I was a member of a message board rather like this one in terms of friendliness and free-for-all geekdom, only it was centered around Pilot. We were, in fact, the Friends and Defenders of Pilot, or FaDoP, which when pronounced is a play on the word for how we felt about Pilot's general neglect and occasional outright mistreatment by the rest of the crew. To show our love for our gentle navigator, we did various things, such as write fic, or role-play, or use fancy emoticons with a curly bracket to represent Pilot's carapace. After Farscape was canceled, the forum slowly disbanded, but the carapaced emoticon lives on with me. Basically because I got into the habit and never bothered to break it.
So, there you have it. {= D
~Neshomeh
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{X D Thank you for that. (nm) by
on 2010-07-22 19:12:00 UTC
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*raises hand* by
on 2010-07-22 19:07:00 UTC
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I've just recently discovered the full extent of my obsession with the show.
While I agree that those are typical Canon!Sue characteristics, the first show also handled what could be considered other Sue-cliches (i.e. dead/missing parents, spirited kids doing cool things with special powers) very well indeed. Even Zuko's angsting isn't too bad at the worst of times.
I have become a little paranoid as well, with all the badfic I've seen in other fandoms, but this is one continuum I'm more than prepared to give the benefit of the doubt until I can decide for myself.
And if fearless, independent, passionate Miss Korra does turn out to be a Sue, well, I'll just watch the first series over again. And possibly again.
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Well... by
on 2010-07-22 19:06:00 UTC
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Here, have some facts on me:
1. My name is... I'm not telling. Privacy is an extremely important thing to me, though I will say I have an identical twin, and that I'm male (As is my twin). I'm not exactly a very confident person when it comes to... well... anything, really. What I have been told, however, is that I'm an amazing writer and roleplayer by people on the internet.
2. I first started writing stories as a way to vent my anger and other emotions, as well as to escape from my loneliness and general other negative crap. I've kinda grown out of that now, and have changed from minor wish fulfillment crap to exploring the concept of fiction itself and generally making the fourth wall less than non-existent (As seen in my entry for Fanfic Land, "Things Unsaid").
3. I have a bit of an odd belief that fiction is "real" in a very odd, vague sense. After all, we end up creating such incredibly detailed worlds and people... Nothing too crazy, though. My tendency to overdevelop my characters' personalities and create them first and foremost as people as opposed to just characters for a story probably stems from this.
4. I have very slight feelings for Alice Alexandria, my Breloom pokemorph character... Let's just leave it at that... Doesn't help that she's one of the most developed characters I have, personality-wise...
5.I'm interested in quite a few video games, including Pokemon, NiGHTS Journey of Dreams, Monster Hunter, Left 4 Dead, and more recently the Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. You can blame my friends for that one. I don't watch much TV, finding the internet a far more reliable source of entertainment.
6. I LOVE MUSIC. Music is one of those things I wouldn't be able to live without! Except country, I hate country.
7. You probably know this, but I lack a sense of humor. Hardly anything is funny to me, and I can't write humor for my life.
...And yeah. That's all I'm gonna disclose.
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Holy crap, what? by
on 2010-07-22 19:00:00 UTC
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What's this about killing people? Are these people serial killers?
Holy crap, I thought this was the Podiatrist Patient Community.
Damnit, I'm in the wrong place.
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Where are the PGs? by
on 2010-07-22 18:58:00 UTC
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I think everyone's distracted by other things. :(
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So you aren't even going to give it a chance? by
on 2010-07-22 18:57:00 UTC
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As someone in the comments of that link pointed out, that same description matches Toph as well. And, y'know, I wouldn't exactly call Toph a Canon!Sue.
They haven't even properly announced it or shown prelim stuff- don't form your opinions so early or decide to call any character a "Canon!Sue" before you even actually know what they're supposed to be like.
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I am... by
on 2010-07-22 18:56:00 UTC
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Name: Elemarth, occasionally Helyna
Gender: Female
Nationality: American, dual citizenship with Britain
Fandoms: Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Young Wizards, Harry Potter, Old Kingdom (Abhorsen)
Likes: fanfic: OCs, stories that mesh with canon; general: avoidance of cliches, three-dimensional characters and shades of gray
Dislikes: bad grammar, lack of responses to the readers (for stuff posted online), people who jump to fight someone without making sure they know what was said, people who think the world is about sex, people who use words incorrectly (like saying a shy person is "antisocial"), anyone trying to convert me to a religion, people who value making money now above saving resources/the environment so we can make money later
Interests: writing, music, psychology, history, astronomy, linguistics
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Re: Inspired by the post below by
on 2010-07-22 18:44:00 UTC
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Name: Gen (also LotRGenius, which is so terrible that I don't really go by it anymore --)
Gender: Female
Nationality: American (along with a terrible accent- this is why border states are bad! XD)
Fandoms: Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Doctor Who, Star Trek (TNG, TOS, VOY), Mercedes Lackey, Tamora Pierce, Green Rider, Discworld, Chronicles of Narnia, Sherlock Holmes
Hobbies: Reading, writing, drawing (oh my!), listening to music (I listen to music from the twenties to the seventies like no one's business XD), chemistry (I play with lasers, what?)
Likes: Humor, music, theatre, books (the real kind, none of that audiobook business), the internets, fanfiction, Star Trek (I'm currently on a binge), Matt Smith
>.>
Dislikes: Drama (you know what kind), bad writing, insects (OH GOD)
Other: I'm lotrgeniusgen on lj (please, feel welcome to laugh at the stupidity that is my username). I'm the one who gives away a panda that eats, shoots, and leaves.
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Interesting idea by
on 2010-07-22 18:30:00 UTC
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Name: Barid, though I have been known to answer to a variety of other names including: Pendos, Darmok, Aran, Griff, and Derrick
Gender: Male
Nationality: American
Fandoms
Games: World of Warcraft, Mario, Metroid, Legend of Zelda, Resident Evil, Team Fortress 2, Portal, more Legend of Zelda
Books: The Wheel of Time, The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever (1st, 2nd and final), Stephen King, Dragonlance, Discworld
TV: Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica (2003), Yu-Gi-Oh, Family Guy, the Simpsons, Star Trek TNG & Voyager
Movies: Moulin Rouge, Silence of the Lambs series, Chronicles of Riddick series, The Godfather
Hobbies
Videogames, Anime, Theatre, Music, Roleplay (mostly tabletop), Reading, Crossword Puzzles
Likes
Neshomeh, bacon, back massages, cooking shows, being Evil, talking a lot, creating characters, good het (and good slash to a lesser extent)
Dislikes
Work, people who always have to be right, anti-climactic endings, "lol", stupid people
Other
You will only find me as Barid in the PPC. On various other websites (DeviantArt being one example) I am diceanddagger (a reference to the Wheel of Time series). My PPC LJ is RC1986.
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A bit late to the thread... by
on 2010-07-22 18:29:00 UTC
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The PPC has always been a community to me. I love the fact that I can talk about super geeky things and people won't act like I've got two heads. I've met a lot of good friends here. I was also introduced to the PPC by a good friend, but she hasn't been around for years.
I've never been a "See Sue, Kill Sue" person. I don't write missions (but I read them) and the humor in them is the most important thing to me. I love anything that is funny and mocking badfic, man...
Writing is one of my passions and the PPC is great about helping others improve. I never thought we were bullies. I wasn't around when a lot of the srs bzns stuff went down, so I can't really comment on that.
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Well, I think that... by
on 2010-07-22 18:01:00 UTC
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If it were just about killing sues, there would be little point in developing characters at all for our stories. Same with mocking badfic. It isn't about those to me, it's more about creating an enjoyable story with interesting characters while doing those at the same time. Yeah, hard to believe, coming from me, of all people... Who doesn't even have permission yet... But it just makes sense.
...Kind of ironic, how I'm saying this, but... I've still got a point. I'm not here for the sue-killing, or for the mpreg-bashing or whatever, or even for the badfic mocking...
I'm here to enjoy myself. I'm here to write for the sake of writing. I'm here because WHY THE HELL NOT.
I enjoy writing darker stuff, and I don't understand the humor in the slightest, so what? We're a community of writers, not badfic haters or comedians or monsters or anything of the sort. I do realize that there's more to this than the sue-killing, and I've tried to show it in my writing for this far too many times to count, despite it being hopelessly rejected or put under the mask of being a joke even though it's entirely serious. I just want to write, that's all.
The PPC is far more than killing stuff for fun. It means something to us, because otherwise, we wouldn't be here discussing it with you, would we?
And to me, the PPC is about expressing ourselves, and the world we've made to express ourselves with. Art is about expression, and writing is a form of art. Even if I'm not funny in any way, shape or form, or if I'm writing what's the complete opposite of what the PPC is supposed to be about in your eyes, I'm still part of this community because I'm expressing myself through what we've made as a group.
...And that's how I feel about the subject, completely unfiltered and uncensored. The PPC means something to me, perhaps even more than you people might understand. To me, simply seeing all of us work together to create something like this is amazing, and that's enough for me to keep trying.
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Oh, I know. by
on 2010-07-22 17:59:00 UTC
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My Sims 2 crashed not too long ago, and I had a heart attack thinking I might have to reinstall it with no downloads! Luckily, I managed to save them.
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Oh, fun. ^_^ by
on 2010-07-22 17:33:00 UTC
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Well, I'm going to take your format and modify it slightly, 'cause it works and it's easy. {= )
Name: Neshomeh
Gender: Female
Age: 25
Nationality: American
Fandoms (copied from my wiki page): Animorphs, Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica (2003), Discworld, Dragonriders of Pern, Farscape, Firefly/Serenity, Fullmetal Alchemist, Harry Potter, Heroes, House, M.D., Jekyll & Hyde (book and musical), Lord of the Rings, Phantom of the Opera (Leroux, Kay, and Webber), Young Wizards, etc. I'll also add Sharpe, because while it's not a major fandom of mine, it IS an awesome one. ^^ I should add How to Train Your Dragon, too, 'cause that movie is made of win and one of the PPCs I'm working on is set there.
Hobbies: St. Dymphna's Academy tops the list right now. It's awesome and anyone who likes role-playing who isn't already there should join up when the next game-year starts. Shockingly, my hobbies include role-playing (online and tabletop). They also include writing, reading, drawing, drinking tea, and listening to music. I sing, but I haven't been able to join a group since I moved, which is really sad.
Likes: Barid, tea of almost any kind, cats, chocolate,long walks on the beachhumor, things making sense, making things make sense, music, learning about new things.
Dislikes: The corporate system, bad writing, bad science, people who don't think before speaking/hitting "send", people who whine about being inferior, especially while exhibiting no signs of willingness to improve; sudden loud noises.
Other: I go by Neshomeh pretty much everywhere--deviantART, ff.net, Fiction Press, Photobucket, probably others. There are a few exceptions, though: on Gaia Online I'm Neshomehsoul because someone was actually using Neshomeh when I got there; on Neopets (where I don't really go anymore) I'm Neshomeh_soul because my original account got deleted for a stupid reason; and on YouTube, it's not me. I don't have a YouTube account. My contact information, should you want it, is on my wiki page. A lot of the information in this post is on my wiki page, too, in case you want to look it up in the future. It would be nice if everyone's information were on their wiki pages in case people wanted to look them up in the future. *hint hint*
~Neshomeh
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Re: I CAN HAZ EXORCISTS?! by
on 2010-07-22 17:25:00 UTC
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I'd be happy to volunteer my dedicated pair of Slashers, Dana Trent and Tarian Toran. They are on the experienced side; Dana's a PPC veteran and has been DBS since 2001 (giving her a slightly amusing indifference to slash by now), but Tarian's been in the DBS for a little under two years and still gets very flustered and acts like a total newbie at times.
I'd be willing to co-write, though it depends how you wanna do it. My personal preference is Gdocs, but if you really don't like that idea we can work around it.
I'm also very good with the Potterverse in general, so if any canon queries come up I should be able to help.
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Jumping on the bandwagon (and dancing madly). by
on 2010-07-22 17:15:00 UTC
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Name: Cassie Cameron-Young (yes, that's my RL name as well, I never thought up a better username when I joined the Board and now I'm stuck with it XD)
Gender: Female
Nationality: British (English if you want to get specific)
Fandoms: LOTR, Discworld, Harry Potter, Pirates of the Caribbean, Redwall, the Belgariad/Malloreon/Elenium/Tamuli series, Earth's Children, Chobits
Hobbies: Writing (especially character exploration pieces and interviews), reading, listening to music, chatting to my friends, occasionally playing Runescape or trying my hand at drawing
Likes: good fanfic, IM RPs, chocolate, putting on music and pretending to be a rock star, swimming, musicals
Dislikes: Noisy neighbours, tea, mushrooms, my sister in Twifan mode, glaringly easy-to-correct mistakes in writing, spiders
Other: My main LJ is cassie5squared and my PPC LJ is c5sppcagents. Friend me if you like. :)
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I CAN HAZ EXORCISTS?! by
on 2010-07-22 17:01:00 UTC
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Sorry for the subject bar, I just couldn't resist. Okay, the point is that I have decided to stop torturing myself, my characters, and my next-to-nonexistant readership by writing missions in the HP continuum, which I happen to know jack about. The SO has finally eroded enough paperwork to discover Julius's long-forgotten transfer request, and is willing to approve it...on one condition. For their next assignment, my Assasins will be teaming up with a pair of Bad Slashers to exorcise and/or kill a certain GodModeStu!Harry. Complete the mission succesfully, and the transfer goes through. Fail, and the mission is sent to ESAS and Julius and Leila stay in the Potterverse for a dozen more missions. And nobody wants that.
I've claimed the fic, I have a very basic idea of the plot in mind, and I know I'm going to go ahead with this, but I'd rather team up with someone already writing Bad Slash missions than pull two of them out of nowhere. I'd prefer they be a pair of relatively new Agents, just because that seems to fit the SOs MO, but since I probably can't afford to be picky, I'm prepared to be flexible.
So...any takers? I'm willing to write the Slashers myself, but I think it would be much nicer (and much more PPC) to team up with somebody.
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Re: Damn, I left things out. by
on 2010-07-22 16:53:00 UTC
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Any good with problems with Modthesims? Just been poking around there, found stuff I want to download, but Firefox isn't having it. Works fine on IE though. I'm confused...
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I'm not an Avatar fan, but... by
on 2010-07-22 16:34:00 UTC
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... that girl has Canon!Sue written all over her face...
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Re: Inspired by the post below by
on 2010-07-22 16:23:00 UTC
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Name: doctorlit (Doug)
Gender: male
Nationality: American...IN AMERICA
Reads: classic literature, Stephen King, Kingdom Keepers, Left Behind, anything Sci-Fi/Horror really
Plays: Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, Pokémon, Halo, Assassin's Creed, the Lego movie games, Singstar, a little bit of Fire Emblem
Watches: nothing anymore, since Lost ended and Heroes got canceled; would watch SNL, but it's on too late.
Listens to: game soundtracks, musical soundtracks, Paramore, Disneymania
Webcomics: Order of the Stick, Candi, Brawl in the Family, What Birds Know, Jack, A Girl and Her Fed, Head Trip; also Red vs Blue
Other websites: active on deviantART, YouTube, Bulbapedia, FF.net, all under doctorlit
Contact: email (keyoflit@yahoo.com) and AIM (which is either doctorlit or my email again, I forget how that works)
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Novelty speaks by
on 2010-07-22 16:22:00 UTC
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(Just to keep up my one-post, now two-post, trend of pretentious titles.)
Before I say what I meant to say, I should get out of the way the fact that every time I see "we kill Sues", the only thing I can think of is the "movieplot" function of one of the IRC bots on a channel I frequent, which gives a movie plot like this: "He's an all-American sweet-toothed jungle king on the wrong side of the law. She's a cynical psychic femme fatale with her own daytime radio talk show. They fight crime." Just switch "They fight crime" for "They kill 'Sues".
I cannot speak to past issues, but I can talk about what the PPC is to me, and later speak from mostly ignorance about the variety of subject matters in PPC stories.
The reasons I liked the Original Series were not the killing of 'Sues, but the fact that Jay and Acacia picked up on the things I notice even in my daily life: punctuation errors, spelling mistakes, capitalization errors, the kinds of things that create new characters who have one line. The kinds of things that make My Immortal so much fun to read — funny as it is without this interpretation, it becomes even more surreal and bizarre if you interpret each misspelling of a character's name as a new character. Also there are constant references to characters doing things "4 Eva" or "4 eva" or "4eva", but no detail is ever given about the character of Eva. One has to wonder...
But I digress. The point is, the Original Series focused relatively little attention on the deaths of the 'Sues. In short, what I like about the PPC has nothing to do with killing 'Sues and everything to do with the rest of the content of the stories — the interactions between the Agents, the interactions between the Agents and canons, the adoption of spelling errors when appropriate, the travel sickness as the stories covered vast distances in a single word, etc. Not that I enjoy travel sickness, but you know what I mean.
In the grander scheme of things, speaking from ignorance, I think one of the problems is that 'Sues are just plain easier to spot and attack. If there's a female character joining the Fellowship, either in addition to or in place of one of the natural Nine, that sets alarm bells ringing. If a The Dark is Rising story stars a girl who isn't Jane, that does, too, even before she's revealed to be Bran's half-sister or Will's American cousin. It's much more difficult to spot bad slash if the structure of the story is decent, that is, if it's capitalized, spell-checked, etc. appropriately.
Coming from that perspective as a Star Wars fan, I think we should be wary of always taking the easy path — as everyone knows that's a surefire way to fall to the Dark Side.
As other people have mentioned, the PPC at its best is not about killing 'Sues, but about protecting and restoring canon. It's right there in the abbreviation: Protectors of the Plot Continuum. 'Sues are just one of many ways to do that, and I think other ways tend to get overlooked because they require a bit more consideration.
As far as non-fic related things, the reason I like wandering around TVTropes or reading OFUM — not having been here too long, I can't really speak for the PPC just yet — is that I like seeing that other people enjoy the things I enjoy, fandom-wise, and knowing that I'm not the only one who's read and loved, for example, Animorphs. With people in real life, I tend to get eye-rolls and "Oh, those were great when I was in elementary school". They're still great! I want to yell, but that would be awkward.
Final point: as far as espousing goodfic, the problem I see is that there isn't really a way for the PPC to do that, besides its primary endeavor of mocking badfic. The first thing that comes to mind as a solution would be having, like, a "featured goodfic" on the main page of the Wiki, but beyond that I don't know how much it's possible to do.
Hope someone found that comprehensible/interesting/useful.
Regards,
Lleu Llaw Gyffes
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Any Avatar Fans? by
on 2010-07-22 16:07:00 UTC
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...And by that I mean the cartoon and not the movie (damn thing makes it hard to tell them apart now).
Apparently, there's going to be a sequel, set 70 years after "The Last Airbender" in which the next Avatar, a teenaged Water Tribe girl named Korra comes to the steampunk Republic City to learn Airbending from the son of the previous Avatar, after already learning Waterbending, Firebending and Earthbending. She's also apparently "hot-headed, independent, passionate, rebellious, fearless, and ready to take on the world".
...Yeah, am I the only one who has a bad feeling about this? Or am I just being paranoid/cynical? What are your thoughts on the subject?
Source: http://www.toplessrobot.com/2010/07/lookslikeaang.php