Bad Slash was mentioned before Implausible Crossovers (thanks to Lux's skill with taxidermy), but Implausible Crossovers had the first full mission from a department other than DMS when Jay and Acacia were transferred there.
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Kinda both ways, depending on how you look at it. by
on 2010-07-08 23:26:00 UTC
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Oh, waitasec ... by
on 2010-07-08 23:23:00 UTC
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... Some Real World faiths do believe in demonic possession, and I didn't mean to offend anyone who belongs to one of those faiths when I said "nobody's ever been demonically possessed". I could have phrased that better; nobody's ever been officially proven to be demonically possessed. Just covering my tail here.
On the other hand, I think everyone agrees that nobody HAS ever become addicted to drinking bleach or had their physical sex abruptly changed without their permission.
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Indeed! by
on 2010-07-08 23:20:00 UTC
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I'll also add that the agents undergo situations no real person has ever suffered, so you can only guess how their thought processes during and after the incidents would work. Some of them are pretty SIMILAR to real situations, e.g. it's possible to look up the effects of drunkenness and sleep deprivation, but no real person has become addicted to drinking bleach, had their physical sex abruptly swapped, or been demonically possessed. I'd say most of the agents are reacting in perfectly reasonable ways to the craziness they face every day.
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I'm game. by
on 2010-07-08 20:18:00 UTC
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Though I too would like to know the fandom. If it's Cardcaptor, I'm good, but I won't be good for fandom-related things for most other manga/animes. On the other hand, that's not really what you need, so it's all good. -grins-
How are you going to send it? You may already have my email, but I can give it to you again if you like.
--anamia
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Re: it comes down to ambiguousnessosity by
on 2010-07-08 19:37:00 UTC
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I agree, that would be unnecessary, as I see nothing wrong with the terms as they are. However, as long as we continue to use the terms Canon and Historical Sues, I don't believe that we can say that all Sues are Bad.
According to the wiki and, by extension, the organization at large, Canon and Historical Sues are Sues. My point is that saying, "for purposes of broad generalizations about Sues (like "all Sues are Bad"), they don't count," is contradictory. You can't have it both ways.
So, since we acknowledge the fact that Canon and Historical Sues exist, then we should also be willing to acknowledge the fact that not all Sues are Bad.
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*Is curious* by
on 2010-07-08 19:14:00 UTC
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Okay, I'll give it a go. What fandom is it, please?
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Oh, never mind. by
on 2010-07-08 19:07:00 UTC
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As usual, I understand one thing for another. However, I never took it as a complaint, so there is no need to apologize.
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Have a welcome-back plover! (nm) by
on 2010-07-08 18:35:00 UTC
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Yet Another Mission by
on 2010-07-08 18:22:00 UTC
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Sonic the Hedgehog bad slash! Xericka and Gremlin encounter mind-bending biology and bad cookies when Vanilla decides give Tails a hands-on lesson about the birds and the bees. Might be inappropriate for those with clean minds.
http://vgdivision.livejournal.com/2054.html
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it comes down to ambiguousnessosity by
on 2010-07-08 18:19:00 UTC
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The definition of a Mary Sue is not set, so whether a canon character can be a sue depends on how you personally interpret them.
Either definition fits (fan fic only versus character archetype) - and since the PPC only targets Fanfic OC's, whether canon and historical sues exist comes down to semantics.
If you prefer, we can rename Canon Sues and Historical sues as 'Canon characters that exhibit traits that commonly occur with Mary Sue characters' but that seems unnecessary.
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When I said "weird"... by
on 2010-07-08 18:11:00 UTC
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I didn't mean your English is weird. I meant the English language itself is weird, and difficult to learn. I'm sorry if that was confusing. ^_^;
~Neshomeh
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I'll see your living room... by
on 2010-07-08 17:57:00 UTC
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...and raise you a duck. The duck in this case is a Mary Sue. As I see it, a duck is a duck. They quack, they fly, they have feathers. All ducks are pretty much the same.
If you are walking through a desert, or a shopping center, or your house, and you happen to find a duck, you are likely going to think that it is out of place and that someone should do something about it. That is your basic fanfiction Sue.
Now, if you have a duck in a pond, nobody cares that it is a duck. We are quite content to let it go on being a duck (excepting the ducks who insist on quacking loudly at 3 in the morning. *cough*Eragon*cough*). These are canon Sues. They are still Sues, the have all the same character traits, we just don't care that they are Sues because they are in their own setting.
Taking a duck out of your house and putting it in a pond does not make it not a duck, it just makes it okay for it to be a duck.
On another note: If there is no such thing as a canon Sue, why do we insist on calling some canon characters Sues? Why do we have the lists of Historical Sues? We can't have it both ways.
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Welcome back. Here's a tall ship. by
on 2010-07-08 17:52:00 UTC
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Fair winds!
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Someone wants to beta? by
on 2010-07-08 17:41:00 UTC
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I just finished my first mission, and I absolutely need some beta-readers since I'm Italian and my English has been already considered weird.
Who is brave enough?
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So... by
on 2010-07-08 17:37:00 UTC
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Now that this has been completely overshadowed by more recent threads...
Looks to me like everyone who responded either a) abstained or b) is okay with the idea that Flowers' genders are fairly arbitrary, except maybe in a few notable circumstances where it would be weird to suddenly switch the pronouns. (That said, I'd love to see an agent try it sometime and see what happens. *g*)
Anyway, this is good news for me, since I don't have to go back and edit everything I've done with the Kudzu. Yay! But what I will do is make a note of the gender used in TOS on the wiki article and write it off as perception, or something that pretty much allows people to draw their own conclusions.
The Board wills it!
~Neshomeh, who thanks everyone who gave their opinion on the matter.
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Re: Dialogue by
on 2010-07-08 17:08:00 UTC
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Reading it out loud to yourself or someone else also helps. It helps for catching typos, missing words, and repeated words. Maybe if you can't read to anyone else, you could record it and listen to the play back as you read along with it. Anyway, I always catch a lot of errors and strange sounding phrases when I do that.
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Re: No change here. by
on 2010-07-08 16:59:00 UTC
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It could be that your preference setting have gotten set to to override the site preferences. I have mine like that so I don't have to see crazy black backgrounds on some of the wikis I go to.
Go to your User page. Click the second tab, skins. Scroll down at the bottom there is a box that says "Let admins override my skin choice". Make sure it is checked and your settings are saved.
That might not be it, but it's worth checking.
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The Discworld thing... by
on 2010-07-08 15:09:00 UTC
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It's true for me too. I usually write in a similar style to what I've just read. This is why it's important to read good books when you're an author.
If you don't have any good books, I would agree that Tungsten_Monk is an excellent substitute. I discovered the PPC through the OS, but Tungsten's stories are why I decided to write missions.
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I've never seen the Agents as insane, per se... by
on 2010-07-08 14:59:00 UTC
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Their basically their authors (us), only with all their personality dials cranked up to 11.
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Various apologies... by
on 2010-07-08 14:55:00 UTC
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...To the oldbies, (especially Sedri) for bringing this topic up again, and to the newbies, for making them bicker like...something that bickers a great deal. I would also like to issue a personal apology to MAXinsanity, whom I appear to have accidently made the object of a positively itinerant hate-fest. Again. (I would also like to apologize to any and all grammarians who are shuddering at my horrible use of the word 'itinerant'. But, y'know, if they didn't want anybody to misuse it, they shouldn't have made the word sound so damn nice. Who 'they' are, I have no idea.)
Where was I...? Ah, yes. The whole cycle theory thing touched a nerve with me. I was so ticked off that I didn't bother to wonder if the article was a sarcastic one or not, or check when it was last updated to make sure that I wasn't beating a dead horse.
Overthinking things as usual, EBW
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Minor correction... by
on 2010-07-08 14:35:00 UTC
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I'm fairly sure that Bad Slash was added before Crossovers.