http://wikimaster.livejournal.com/1459.html
I'll also post it on the other Board, just in case people are still looking at it.
PS: I did ask if I could tack on new elements into the PPC.
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Another LJ entry! by
on 2008-09-11 14:04:00 UTC
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*Scratches head* by
on 2008-09-11 13:39:00 UTC
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That hurt on so many different levels I think I need to go lie down. Though this does give me an idea for a page to create on the Wiki; a list of Canon-Sues found in Original Fiction.
So, we have three people so far:
Ferris Bueller
Mary Poppins
Eragon
Anyone got any more to add?
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We sometimes use it to mean that, too. by
on 2008-09-11 12:56:00 UTC
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It depends.
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I did consider that... by
on 2008-09-11 12:18:00 UTC
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but I decided that it probably wasn't. Admittedly, this guy didn't even have a horse until after I'd finished Book III, but I don't think it was Meduseld. I might rename it just to make sure though.
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Re: Wasn't Methuselah... by
on 2008-09-11 12:16:00 UTC
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Technically, we're all Adam's many-time-great-grandchildren if you use that creation myth. Therefore, incest should not be banned under Christianity because we're all doing it. Our gene pool was lessened even further by the Great Flood. :P Just saying.
And it wasn't him because I've never heard of him before. Thanks anyway though.
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No, not a possession by
on 2008-09-11 12:03:00 UTC
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The only thing that differentiates a Canon Sue from a Mary Sue is the type of fic they reside in. There are tests out there online to tell if your original character is a 'Sue.
One glaring sign your character might be a Sue is if she and the hottie who've been lusting after one another for an entire novel find out they're actually brother and sister at the end, and in the next novel of the trilogy they spend pretty much the entire thing drooling over one another and not one single person around them slaps them up and says, "Hello, incest?". If, when the third novel opens, she's having a Sad Moment because *sniffleweep* her brother is acting like he has no feelings for her anymore and she was just So!Sure he really did and now she feels like a knife has been driven through her heart. It only took him the entire last novel to finally say, "Yeah, we really should cool it" and then he had to go and ruin it with body language and actions and tone of voice that made it abundantly clear he was doing it only out of extreme reluctance. I have no idea how much incestuous lusting the third novel of Cassie Clare's trilogy is packed with, but considering she remarks that the character on the front cover of Novel three comes between Canon Sue and her Incestuous Lust Interest, I feel secure in saying there's plenty to be had and that it won't turn out to be incest after all because *gaspsurprise* he's not actually her brother. He was confused/switched at birth with her real brother so it's perfectly fine for them to be shagging like nymphos deprived for a year. *rolls eyes muchly*
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... I think I'm getting mixed up by
on 2008-09-11 11:13:00 UTC
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I thought "Canon Sue" was simply another way of saying "Possession Sue" or "Sue![canon]".
Sporking's always fun... *evil grin*
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If only the Harmony fans could have THAT attitude by
on 2008-09-11 11:13:00 UTC
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Cheers.
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Dammit! Merde! Various Curses In Other Languages! by
on 2008-09-11 09:13:00 UTC
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I /will/ get those lines to you by October. Promise.
*kicks school*
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Yes, we do by
on 2008-09-11 06:36:00 UTC
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They're called Canon Sues, and there's an LJ group devoted to them named, aprops enough, canon_sues. The main character of Cassie Clare's original fic trilogy has been pegged as one. The first two books have been sporked and I'm working on sporking the third. Oh, and there's another trilogy set to kick off in 2010. I look forward to shredding that one as well.
Anthony Caine of For Better or For Worse has also been identified as a Canon Stu.
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Question about definitions, then: by
on 2008-09-11 05:38:00 UTC
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Obviously, there are Sue characters in original fiction, but do we still call them 'Sues'? I mean, as far as I know, the term "Mary Sue" applies only to fanfiction characters inserted into someone else's word. (And personally, at least 'formally', I think it should stay that way.)
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Control Panel by
on 2008-09-11 05:32:00 UTC
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It's back up. (nm) by
on 2008-09-11 04:06:00 UTC
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Same can be said for Mary Poppins by
on 2008-09-11 04:03:00 UTC
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I think certain characters just reach a point where they're so much a part of our heritage that we accept they're Mary-Sues / Gary-Stus, but we can forgive them. I mean, with Mary Poppins, it says she's 'Practically Perfect in Everyway' so we know what to expect. Same with Ferris Bueller. The movie starts very confidantly, and we expect him to succeed. If he hadn't there would have been many feelings of disappointment, huh?
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OT: So, TVTropes got hacked... by
on 2008-09-11 03:24:00 UTC
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The full story can be found somewhat here - http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_lounge/783399.html. An idiot called Qabandi originally hacked it to point to a video about poverty (the ultimate in idiocy), and now he's just being a wanker, taunting them with passwords and "vulnerabilities" still existing.
So, yeah. Just thought everyone should know, because it's undeniably a resource for a number of us.
Discuss.
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Oh, BEEP BEEP BEEPing BEEPity BEEP and a BEEP. by
on 2008-09-11 03:18:00 UTC
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I'll send them in the next couple of days. They're recorded and everything.
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oh, yeah... by
on 2008-09-11 02:43:00 UTC
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*total numbnut here* Um, I can't really do Manx.
I can do Shadow, but unless you can make my voice (which is incredibly weird) sound like a Generic Caucasian Kid, I probably can't do Manx. In the same scene, it'd probably be all confuzzling and suchlike.
Apologies for not speaking earlier. Parents have been dragging me off the computer at inoppurtune times.
*slinks off*
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I'll see if I can do the MIDI function on my keyboard... by
on 2008-09-11 00:37:00 UTC
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for the soundtrack pieces that you two requested. School's being a little evil. And it's only the fifth day back.
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We can't actually act unless he gets another account ... by
on 2008-09-10 23:57:00 UTC
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... but I'm pretty sure he will at some point, so I'll ask everyone on the Pit to keep an eye out and report him to the appropriate real-world authorities rather than the moderators if he does.
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I'm not sure, but I fully support you. Good luck. (nm) by
on 2008-09-10 23:31:00 UTC
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Thankfully I am not Morbidly Curious. That said... by
on 2008-09-10 23:29:00 UTC
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This "bad thinking" definition is very helpful; now that you say it, I remember reading a Wicked romance fic where the male lead was just... not completely out of character, but so obviously acting out this girl's idea of Prince Charming that it didn't feel like a real story anymore.
Sorry, rambling. Also, it's good to know, from a female perspective, that you guys don't feel shut out.
Thanks!
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Cheers, my friend. by
on 2008-09-10 23:28:00 UTC
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That's exactly what I was after. Thanks!
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If nobody else takes them... by
on 2008-09-10 23:20:00 UTC
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Those are really horrendous. If there aren't any Evangelion agents out there, I can take the fic on - Agent Dann has a mecha hiding somewhere in the lab.
(Of course, if anyone wants to borrow it to kill those monstrosities, you're welcome to it.)
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then can that happen please? (nm) by
on 2008-09-10 21:56:00 UTC
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