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I don't truly know; I've heard of the whole "fic of a pre-existing fic" concept, but:
It seems to me that this kind of fanfic is not as wholly based on the true canon as its predecessor would have been.

Fanfic 1 is directly based on canon, with the author's own ideas added in. Fanfic 2 is based on the first author's ideas, before the normal canon, rather than an original idea.

Of course, if the first fic was perfect, well-written, well-thought-out, and canon-adherent, while the second fic is a disgrace to not only the fandom but to the first author's work, there would be due cause, especially if the first author is outraged.

I suppose it could work, but I would definitely acknowledge the author of the fic it's based on, as well as the author who originally created the fandom, in the disclaimer.

And I might even ask the first author's permission, because you never know; they might have let a not-as-talented friend write something based on their story, and if they discover you've gruesomely killed it they might get mad.

could an ainur be inserted in a newly created humanoid embryo in lieu of an original soul, or is that breaking several of Erus' laws, written and non?

The singular is 'Ainu', and should really be capitalised. However, where I was going with this was Huan, who is almost certainly a Power (I forget whether it's explicitely stated or no) and yet was born like any other dog (who presumably are not). So a Maia choosing to be born is attested. However, unless you care to count Luthien, who is debatably a Power herself... no, scratch that, she almost certainly is. Look at the last page of Of Beren and Luthien:

'These were the choices that he gave to Luthien. Because of her labours and her sorrow, she should be released from Mandos, and go to Valimar, there to dwell until the world's end among the Valar, forgetting all griefs that her life had known.

'[...] This doom [ie, mortality] she chose, forsaking the Blessed Realm, and putting aside all claim to kinship with those that dwell there.'

If this were a matter of standard rebirth, there would be no reason to live in Valimar: her uncle Olwe lives down at Alqualonde, and she'd certainly be more at home there than in the Golden City. So while it could be read differently, I suspect that this passage is confirmation that (assuming Ainur cannot beget Ainur, and you will note that despite all the couples of Valar, there are no children -- in fact, children were in the original concept, but were then removed) Luthien is an Ainu who entered the world to be incarnated as our dear Tinuviel.

As with everything else, of course, this is open to interpretation.

hS

(I'm refering to the Jesus bit here) If you happen to have access to HoME 10 (Morgoth's Ring), go and read the Athrabeth Finrod Ah Andreth. A ways in Andreth talks about about the Old Hope:

"They say," answered Andreth: "they say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

Andreth isn't very taken with this idea, but Finrod (who is after all very wise) seems to be on the verge of believing it:

"And yet, Andreth, to speak with humility, I cannot concieve how else this healing could be achieved. Since Eru will surely not suffer Melkor to turn the world to his own will and to triumph in the end. Yet there is no power concievable greater than Melkor save Eru only. Therefore Eru, if He will not relinquish His work to Melkor, who must else proceed to mastery, then Eru must come in to conquer him."

He then adds that even if Melkor were thrust from Arda this would still be necessary.

So there you have it. It's not actually a direct Authorial statement that Eru will come into the world as Christ, but it's as close as you're going to get.

hS

It was delete the spaces. I'll get it back to you shortly ^^

Definitely the right sort of title, to my mind. Don't forget the thousand elephants though.

Unfortunatly I don't have time to help out with it. If you wanted to use the Store owner (Leto Haven) you are more than welcome to, just remember that the PPC General Store is staffed by minis. But that is neither here nor there.

Keep up the good work! Wish that I could help.

Leto

But I can do English (South East, Home Counties, South Coast), Welsh, Irish (Southern), French, and American (North or South).
I hope this will be some use if a specific accent is required!

Over half the list of characters now have vocalists. These ones still don't. Please let me know if you're willing to do them. Agents with a * are reserved for their authors until otherwise stated.

Cray
Morgan
Denny
Colt
Rosedale
Architeuthis
The Venomous Tentacula
The Yarrow
Lucien, whom I think is Scottish (correct me if I'm wrong)
Library
Anjilly*
Brenden*
Tirsaer
Redd
Naomi
Kim*
Ansela*
Risa*

I have two free weeks coming up, though my microphone is not of the greatest quality - it's a built-in laptop one. Nevertheless, it should do the job.

that kind of desperately need voicing. We have ONE British male Boarder that I know of, and he's requested that we leave him out of this project unless it's absolutely vital that he steps in. Which is fair enough, because hS does more than enough for the PPC as it is.

Anyway. We have Fynn's two Agents, Archer and Sabbat, both with British accents.

Sabbat's normal accent varies between plain English and very slightly American (mid-west). Archer seems to have a rather cultured, more upper-class voice.

So if you could take them, that would be brilliant- although I am aware that it means you'd be landed with four fairly major roles. If you can't do it, I'll ask around.

the original fanfic would have been using the world of an esablished canon- that's what fanfic *does*. Therefore, a fanfic of the fanfic should still be in that same world.

E.g. a really good fic set in the Tolkienverse is still IN the 'verse. So fanfic of that fic would also be set in the Tolkienverse (unless they've done something really screwy, in which case they should be cleared out anyway.)

So basically, a fic of a fic would probably be violating the original canon, not the fic canon. If they're using the same characters, it'd probably be counted as a very bad copy of the fic, not a secondary fic, and would be screwing up the Canon world. It could also be nabbed for plagarism.

And here it is. Is is possible for the PPC Agents to go into a good fanfic and kill a Sue?

Explanation behind this:
We've all read a good fanfic that we've enjoyed, and when it was done, sat back and sighed with contentment. In some cases, some authors write a fanfic of the fanfic, using the original fanfic's world in their story.

Now, would it be feasible for the PPC to go into the secondary fanfics world if the characters and things were screwing up the world of the original fanfic?

• I can do a male voice, but it sounds like a fourteen-year-old XD

I'm thinking that most of the miracles (including the dead for three days thing those two times) were apostolic exaggerations or total inventions.

It's just that if I am to conflate Tolkien and the last few millenia of history, along with me having a co-ed catholic primary and secondary education, I wanted to to incorporate the possiblity of a born Jeshua ben Adam (classically known as Christ) being an as of yet unnamed Maia born biologically of what would today be considered a pregnant minor (13-16). And keep said minor virginal in the process.

How the process yielded a male embryo from an altered ovum is still considered a medical breakthrough among the Maiar, for whom it was more a side project than anything else, combinging razor-edge bio-meddling with a message of peace and such delivered to a beleagured monotheistic region. There have been some regrets as to the entire experiment.

In the early 80's it was used again, this time by an extremely angry Melian in a gambit to track down her husband, who had been due to re-incarnate but, due to intern based error, got put into a human body. They were banished for a few decades, and meleian incarnated as the "miracle child" of a family in New York who had almost given up hope of conciebing naturally: in this case the gentic material of both parents (minus any detriments causing said infertility) was used.

That gets rid of the ethical problem of robbing a mortal soul of a host... I think.

As for Gandalf having a silicon-based body in the first part of my story, that was mostly a tactical decision, as he was fighting demonic entities, was anticiapting alot of wrecks and re-incarnations, and didn't want to leave a mess or arouse suspicion.

And then there's the question of an uncanonically alive and reformed Saruman inhabiting a computer and the internet...

I always had the idea that the Maiar had rather human (if much sturdier) biology. That Gandalf was described as an old man and needed to eat like anyone else seems to support that. When you say incarnations I assume you mean after they reincarnate? I kinda like the "released in a trickle via dreams". Have you read TADers? It does something very like this only with elves (and one Vala).


For that matter, could an ainur be inserted in a newly created humanoid embryo in lieu of an original soul, or is that breaking several of Erus' laws, written and non?

I don't think Eru ever said anything like that, though I could be wrong, but the idea doesn't seem like something he would endorse. Unless I'm totally misunderstanding you.

First of all, I'd just like a shout-out from the local Tolkien enthusiests whether certain things concerning the bodies that maiar such as Gandalf, Saruman, Sauron and Melian used during their time on Middle Earth.

First, the general make up of their incarnations: what kind of body would the wizards or Sauron have :silicon based, fully human, or just a basic humanoid shell?

Secondly, the physiology of Maia in a biologically functional body: i.e. Melian, wife of Elu Thingol and mother of Luthien Tinuviel. In such a form, how much baseline human or Quendi physiology and brain chemistry would have to be altered to contain an ainur conciousness? Would it be any easier if most of the Valinor-related meories were locked away in the subconcious, only to be released in a trickle via dreams?

For that matter, could an ainur be inserted in a newly created humanoid embryo in lieu of an original soul, or is that breaking several of Erus' laws, written and non?

I'm asking this becaus my current major fanfiction project encorporates many or all of these ideas. Not to mention ambiguous orders from the extreme top being funneled through the Valar as concerns preperations for the very last battle with morgoth and all his armies, with preperations including hooking people up, weapons contracts, tech research, missions to find the first Maiar to explore the young world, and an ambiguous prophecy that sounds like it was written by a 13 year old fanbrat.

Is ANY of this possible, ethical or in character for the Valar based on textual evidence?

…Tadkeeta's a Narnian of Telmarine descent. Omicron, well, someone should be good at Dalek voices. Honesah's the only one I added to your list who is major enough to name, and for her accent it's up to you.

I do know that Zach and Sara (and their mini, Mr. Treehorn) come in at some point...at least, they were part of the thread. Not a massively massive part, but a decent chunk. If Sara ended up in the script I'd like to do her and whatever female part no one else wants. *shrug*

I can do a pretty decent American accent.

And if anyone else has claimed them, take them off them. They're my agents. My domain. Grrrrrrrrr.

I'll also be willing to do any miscellaneous agents and Stus, and any named agents and/or flowers left straggling afterwards.

I think I sent it to the right place. Was I meant to add '_' in the space ebtween the words, or was I meant to delete the spaces?

Another American male here, fairly normal American accent.

I thought it was hilarious. It was too ridiculous and ironic to be remotely offensive. {X D

*prods the people now gaping at her in horror* Come on, we all have to accept a little silliness sometimes, even within our favorite fandoms.

~Neshomeh