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The "Boruto next generation" page was empty in the first place (nm) by
on 2022-10-03 23:47:33 UTC
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Removed. Please don't blank pages, though; I want to see what I'm deleting. by
on 2022-10-03 21:53:11 UTC
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Unless it's extremely offensive. But these weren't.
~Neshomeh
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More spam. by
on 2022-10-03 20:18:54 UTC
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This continuum page, which Yuki has reduced to a delete template, doesn’t belong on the wiki. And I’m pretty sure all the edits of this user are utterly irrelevant to the PPC.
—Ls
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The wiki page lists other, similar units. by
on 2022-10-03 16:53:14 UTC
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I bet the Germans had numbers for buildings where they did terrible things to people, too. It doesn't seem that unique to me.
Anyway, a number is just an arrangement of integers, and this one has other, non-evil associations, too. It's an area code in Tennessee, for instance.
The way I see it, anyone who has a bad association with a particular number isn't likely to use it. Anyone who doesn't know of a bad association for a particular number won't intentionally use it to cause harm. And encouraging a particular arrangement of integers to become an object of fear for people to whom it wasn't before seems distasteful to me.
~Neshomeh wants fewer things to worry about, not more.
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... Your arguments were not the problem. by
on 2022-10-03 15:06:45 UTC
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Since I was in the original Board thread being discussed here, I feel comfortable coming into this conversation thread.
Your problem wasn't the arguments you were using, it was you not taking no for an answer. This is something that, despite your really quite snide assertion to the contrary in the thread itself, you do not seem to fully comprehend. I offer as evidence the post to which this is a reply. Now, I'm autistic, so I know that there's an impulse when being asked not to talk about something to assume the problem is with the logic used, but really people just... didn't want to talk about what you wanted to talk about. Not every thread is going to take off, and the Board is a quiet place in general, so please don't take silence as the assumption that you just haven't been loud enough.
You are not owed a discussion. You are not owed an audience. You are owed respect and courtesy, which is why I am now, respectfully and courteously, asking that you understand in future that the word "No" is not the start of a conversation, it is the end. This is because just as you are owed respect and courtesy, so is everyone else, and if they don't want to be a part of your discussions, it is impolite to try and railroad them into it.
For reasons of disclosure, I have run this post past another Boarder (Grundleplith of this parish) prior to posting it here. It is not for the purposes of talking about you behind your back, but for reasons of my own tone not necessarily being what I might think it is at time of writing. This is something that I do when I feel it's warranted due to my own history of poor behaviour in the community. I have serious issues with anger management and I have to fight to control them every second of every day, and I am constantly conscious of backsliding into being a person I regret ever having been. Grundleplith and I are both happy to share logs of the private discussion we had regarding this post upon request from relevant parties.
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I don’t think it’s necessary. by
on 2022-10-03 11:19:43 UTC
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If someone wants to claim it, we can bring it up then, but I don’t think we need to proactively prevent this.
—Ls
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Yes, but this one has war crime connotations by
on 2022-10-03 00:16:44 UTC
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and is so hugely infamous for said connotations that it's hard to compare it to other "bad" numbers. Since there are apparently no other numbers with equally bad connotations (that I know of), I only propose barring this one number.
I apologize if this discussion is in uncomfortable territory.
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I'm sure plenty of numbers have had negative connotations throughout history . . . by
on 2022-10-03 00:02:07 UTC
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. . . but I don't see much benefit in banning specific numbers, especially for something as background-detail as an RC number.
—doctorlit
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[Implied BL12] About RC numbers, by
on 2022-10-02 22:55:33 UTC
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I think we should add a note on the wiki page advising writers not to claim the number 731 (BL12 in that link), especially if the agents are Japanese and/or deal with Japanese media.
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It's brave of you to come forward. Thanks. by
on 2022-10-02 22:22:30 UTC
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Seeing as you're an actual known member, I believe you had good intentions, and like I said above, I do agree that Linstar had a right to know the exact details of what was going on. Having seen the conversation myself, though, I thought in this instance that the issue(s) could best be resolved by getting the involved parties talking to each other rather than for people to continue talking around each other.
I confess I don't understand worrying about people talking behind my back—it's just not something I can personally be bothered to spend precious energy on—but it certainly isn't something we want to tolerate in our community.
In general, I think the best way to handle it if you see people gossiping about someone else is just to tell them to stop. If there's something they need to discuss with the subject of the gossip, you can encourage them to do that, and even offer to mediate if you feel up for it. If they're just being nasty, that should definitely be raised with the mods—but I hasten to add I haven't seen anything really nasty take place. Most of what I've seen is socially anxious teenagers and young adults being bad at expressing negative feelings constructively. It takes practice. {= )
It's always okay to hold off on taking any action until you're in a good headspace.
Cheers,
~Neshomeh
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Kitty, you're good folks. : ) by
on 2022-10-02 18:56:44 UTC
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I hope we'll see you (and your characters!) again.
—doctorlit, wishing all the best
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It was brief. Must’ve been a glitch, ‘cause I couldn’t see the server. (nm) by
on 2022-10-01 23:34:07 UTC
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Clarification: No one has made me leave. by
on 2022-10-01 22:50:25 UTC
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The primary motivation is my worsening mental health, followed by my guilt that I might have hurt members of this community. No one has made me leave, I promise. It was a decision I made myself.
-kA
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Thank you. by
on 2022-10-01 22:45:11 UTC
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I understand why you did it, whoever harassing you sounds like a complete jerk.
The best thing we can all do is make up and move on. I forgive you, it was a reasonable response to a perceived lead. And honestly, most of the drama is unrelated to you anyway, it’s all at least partially my fault.
We’re good.
—Ls
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You’re still on from what I can see by
on 2022-10-01 22:41:15 UTC
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Did you get logged out of discord?
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Uh, it looks like you're still there on my end. (nm) by
on 2022-10-01 22:40:07 UTC
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Yeah, I suppose that’s fair. by
on 2022-10-01 22:33:00 UTC
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I failed to back up my arguments much. I can see how you'd see it as that.
I should have mentioned something along the lines of “One of the fics is no longer on the internet, and has only been referred to once on the Board as a well-known fic.”
But I didn’t. So I can understand why you got that.
—Ls
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Sorry, but what happened? I got kicked from the Discord server? There has to be a good reason. (nm) by
on 2022-10-01 22:01:17 UTC
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I think that’s fair by
on 2022-10-01 20:47:49 UTC
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To be honest, I now- in retrospect- know it was probably the wrong approach to immediately bring a comment- that was only negative because of an easily missable typo inflicted by autosuggest software (something I should have taken the time to figure out before jumping to the wrong conclusion)- to the attention of board members on a Discord channel that not everyone here participates in.
Linstar is correct that the appropriate thing to have done would have been to email him at the address that Wordpress attached to the message. This is something I didn’t consider at the time; mainly because I’ve been fending off an angry badfic author/fan of said author/someone I unknowingly upset for other reasons/etc. for some months now.
I still do not know the identity of my lovely attacker beyond a few burner emails that they used to post some highly obscene comments on my blog, some sockpuppet accounts they created on FF.net and Wordpress, and a IP address associated with the obscene abuse comments that appears to be associated with a VPN proxy service from what my limited investigations have turned up.
Linstar’s unfortunate typo was, through no fault of Linstar’s, a possible lead for me that I’d finally caught my troublemaker red handed.
That assumption, again in retrospect, was incredibly meritless and without any real proof.
To be clear, I didn’t fully suspect that Linstar was connected- whoever’s been harassing me now for some time has been pretty good at hiding their exact motives and any identifying data I could use to report their main account to the relevant sites. Linstar’s SPaG was also significantly better than my abuser possesses, and was significantly less verbose and lacked the usual array of obscenities.
All I know about this person is that:
a) they know I posted guest riffs on the Library
b) this makes them upset somehow, and they think I’m an awful writer
c) they care enough about whatever riff I wrote that they falsely reported me for having gratuitous child s3x in three stories I posted last year- none of which featured any characters under the age of eighteen- this having them taken down without appeal.
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d) They have a mastery of the english language that would make Squirrelking into Shakespeare, and a hardened sailor blush.
I only know that they were the one who did this and this is why my stories were deleted because they sent me a PM gloating about it, which I wish I’d kept for evidence, and not deleted out of anger and frustration.
Long story short, while I did have enough doubt to not immediately go on the warpath, I also didn’t have the forethought to email Linstar and take it up provately. It was a pretty thoughtless decision to take it up on the Discord, and it was also pretty blanche to then bring all of the drama onto the board proper.
Linstar, mate, I’m very sorry for unintentionally causing this whole thing to turn into such a massive drama, I apologise for not having the common sense to be less public about what was clearly not an intentional attack, and I’m very sorry to all the people who’ve had their feathers ruffled by the drama I indirectly spurred into motion.
I know this isn’t the best return I could have made to the community- part of the reason I’ve been gone for most of the last few years is because I did cause a fair amount of nuisance last time I was here, and I didn’t feel my presence was adding to the community at that time (I also had commitments to other communities, most of which have now wrapped up)- and I’ve probably already broken the promise I made myself that I wasn’t going to make a fool of myself here again. However, I’m willing to accept responsibility for my part in this incident, and try to move forwards in a less disruptive fashion.
(Tl;dr this has been a valuable lesson that thinking before acting is golden, to not assume the worst right off the bat, and to try to keep things above-board- so to speak)
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Re. Legendaries by
on 2022-10-01 17:29:45 UTC
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Still some words missing, but I think I get the gist.
I'm sorry, but I don't see a significant difference between your posts. To sum up the conversation as I see it:
Linstar: I want to rehash the status of all the Legendaries.
Scape & Nesh: Let's not rehash the status of any Legendaries.
Linstar: What about rehashing the status of these two Legendaries?
Scape: We already clearly said "let's not rehash the status of any Legendaries." The answer is still no. You should not have needed to be told again.
Nesh: [Agrees and therefore doesn't feel a need to add anything, especially while angry.]So, I feel Scape's response was both in-logic and warranted, since you had not gotten the message the first time around.
Also, neither of us was obligated to provide a link to some other thread to back ourselves up. We had expressed our current thoughts on the matter, and those do not need to be supported with evidence. Frankly, that's ridiculous. No means no. You do not get to demand supporting arguments for anyone's decision to say "no," even if they once said "yes" six years ago. This is a far-reaching and very important concept to understand.
~Neshomeh
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To summarize my Legendaries response: by
on 2022-10-01 14:20:18 UTC
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I felt that my second comment was different from the first, in scope and content, and that Scape ignored that difference.
Better?
—Ls
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the little birdie is not anon. by
on 2022-10-01 14:05:33 UTC
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As those on the discord already know, I was the one who emailed Linstar and sent screenshots.
This is the exact email I sent, by the way, because I think using "discord info" may have been kind of deceiving. I've not included the screenshots because privacy, but have summarised them and uh if the people included want me to delete those, I can. Here. No other personal info was shared, and you cannot find someone's discord account based of a server nickname.
It was wrong to do, and I think I knew that at the time, but I didn't want to know it.
In my head, I rationalised it as "In the interest of full clarity", but yeah, looking back at it, sending a private email without any warning, agreement, etc etc, was not something that made anything more clear and did not help at all. It was done with no intention to harm, at least, that much I can say.
In reality, I think it may have been because "if they're talking about Linstar behind their back, what if they're talking about me behind my back??", and I thought that if I sent that to Linstar then if they saw me being talked about, they'd tell me and that way I'd have like a- back up measure. This is also bad and illogical reasoning, honestly, but that's what I felt.
And some of those screenshots (especially the first one) weren't even, as Scape said, really talking behind Linstar's back, and that does make me feel more guilty.
Sharing those messages was an nffhole move, I agree. I shouldn't have done it, and I know that much. I didn't think my actions through fully, and by doing that I've made kA leave, upset many people, made some people uncomfortable, and I'm genuinely, really sorry for that. Definitely not something I'm ever going to be doing again, that much is clear. I didn't mean to hurt anyone, but I did, and if there's any way I can make it up to any of you, I will.
I wasn't in a good headspace to write a response yesterday, which is why this is coming today, after I've had time to properly think it over and come to terms with what I did.
I will be better, and I will learn from this.
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Apology to Stella Apostata by
on 2022-10-01 13:47:42 UTC
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Stella, I’m not sure if you’re still lurking or not, but I’d like to say that I’m sorry for being difficult. I’ve added a disclaimer to the page of the agent in question.
—Ls
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Is this clearer, Nesh? (nm) by
on 2022-10-01 13:38:32 UTC
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Clarification re. "little birdie" by
on 2022-10-01 03:31:45 UTC
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I'm guilty of having a knee-jerk reaction to the phrasing "a screenshot of your Discord info." That sounds to me like contact or personal information, which has no business being shared without someone's permission, especially behind the scenes by an anonymous person who may or may not be acting in good faith.
I also don't love the idea of anyone going around reporting on other members' activities, anonymously or not. I do agree that it's not okay to gossip about people behind their backs, but I generally* include telling second-hand tales of "so-and-so said thus-and-such about you!" in that category. That's why I wanted to facilitate an actual conversation between you and kA and Scarlett instead, so you could all clear the air with each other and avoid building up more and more assumptions based on hearsay and echo-chamber-say.
* With exceptions: I need to know what people are saying if I've harmed them and need to make amends, or if they're saying things that will harm me and I need to be safe.
That said, I was wrong to suggest that you shouldn't be told the exact words that were said about you once the matter was brought to your attention. I didn't exactly mean that—I meant it shouldn't have been done in that shadowy, possibly doxxing-y way—but I've been reliably informed that it seemed otherwise. Also, in this particular instance, I believed no one was trying to hurt anyone else and so we could all trust each other to be honest once it was brought into the open, but that wasn't my call to make. I definitely let my ego interfere with my judgement, figuring everything was fine because it was me handling it. I'm sorry for that and for being overly interfering.
(Regarding the Legendaries thread, some of your sentences don't seem to have survived autocorrect intact, so I'm not entirely understanding you, and I'll hold off saying more about that.)
~Neshomeh