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I flipped through a few of Shatner's books. They're very Shatner and self-absorbed, which is pretty funny.

I've heard about Duane's Star Trek novels. I love her other books, so I'm sure I'd enjoy those.

If it's published, it's Canon. If it contradicts what happened in previous versions, it makes its own canon. For example, movieverse LotR didn' overwrite bookverse LotR. Exactly what counts as contradiction has never been established, to my knowledge. In TOS, I believe the movieverse/bookverse dichotomy was explained before the Two Towers movie launched, so draw from that what conclusions you will. Obviously, even relatively minor differences in events will split a Canon, but I don't think how far characters or themes need to be bent before splitting has ever been explored. In general, at least, we judge a fic by the setting it claims - if a Suefic is running around in Reboot!Trek, we'll charge and kill her for offences against Reboot!Trek.

(Speaking of which, I think it was a rather elegant solution to the problem.)

That's an interesting question - one that I am obviously not qualified to answer, but I will discuss anyway because I love to see myself type.

Canon's are usually based on specific authors, but obviously multi-author canon's exist (hence Star Trek). Many times contradictory factors come into being in the same canon (sometimes even by the same author). How does the PPC usually handle these?

I think what'll have to happen is that those canons really are affected by the new authors - The PPC just has to accept the canon as having developed many 'naturally occuring' plotholes, making the canon unstable.

Another possibility is that alternate canons are created. I'm pretty sure there is precedence for that.

How? Whenever I try, it says that the page is locked. I want to put my new mission under the 'New Missions' heading, but it won't let me! Is this happening to anybody else?

Firstly, I would like to thank Pretzel and Anamia for their help. They have proven that I need to know a lot more about the Harry Potter books than I do. As if that still needed proving.

Here it is, in two parts:

http://edward-wilder.livejournal.com/1012.html#cutid1

http://edward-wilder.livejournal.com/1164.html#cutid1

Concrit would be much appreciated. I spent much more time on this than I did my last one, and I think (read 'hope') I caught all the spelling/grammar errors, but you can never be too sure. Thank you!

That a Sue claims to like a person, and then totally changes his personality.

Although, in RL many women try to change the men they claim they love.

I'd read Shatner's Trek novels for fun, but that is just because Shatner is a fun guy. I like a lot of the old Star Trek Pocket Books, particularly Diane Duane's Rihannsu series. Good for learning about the Romulans - and Duane is great at world-building! :D

...incompetence and willful ignorance. These books accomplish both. He seems to be a fairly capable author otherwise, but he needs to jump back from this fandom, IMO.

I'm a bit of a freak about fandom - it takes me a long time to get into things with "annoying" fandoms, because I like to discuss things I like with people who also like them, and I much prefer it if there's a fandom and not a fanDUMB.

Personally, I don't accept these books as canon. Not at all. Not even as doorstops. (And as an old-school Trekker, I loved the new movie, precisely because it's an alternate universe. It gets its own continuity, everybody happy. I can see where it might piss off the people who obsessively chronicle Federation history, but that's a whole other can of gagh.)

It doesn't work, but it's good to get it out of my system. And I am wondering about how it's viewed in the PPC, as profic - canon, or non-canon?

(And I know fiction's not reality - I'm not CWC over here. ;) )

It's got its own Facebook group. Granted, a small one, but the Amazon.com reviews are either "Fun read!" or "You are making Robert Ludlum cause earthquakes of 8.6 on the Richter scale, please stop doing that." The one-star reviews outnumber the others.

This might be my favorite: "Fiction requires a 'suspension of disbelief,' but from the start this book demanded more, a 'suspension of intelligence.'"

...it depends how bad the story is. I mean, in Doctor Who, a lot of people got mad at the eighth Doctor TV movie and don't count it as canon because they said a lot of things that contradict established canon. But a lot of people do count it, and think it was good.

I suppose it is justified if the characters are really OOC, i.e if it were fanfic, we would class it as Bleepfic-or-even-worse. That way, regardless of canonicity (is that a word?) it is still bad because the author clearly knows nothing about/disrespects that particular canon. Also, they must have a reaction with more than just you if they are as bad as you say, so a section of the fandom do not like it or indeed class it as canon.

I had already read almost all Jay&Acacia missions, and also a lot of pages from the Wikia. I didn't, however, read all the rules on the "things you must not do in HQ". Astonishingly long, and I couldn't stop myself from laughting.

So... When is next Sue invasion? I want to spend some bullets!

I will admit I raeg fireballs at certain profics. I flat out gave up on the Star Wars books after Barbara Hambly's... thing and the absolute crap R. A. Salvatore pulled from his a**. I refuse to touch anything beyond the original Dune books (Kevin J. Anderson seems to be one of those who pops up in EUs that suck). I once read a sequel to Pride and Prejudice that I'm sure would make Austen spin in her grave.

I don't consider profics as part of the canon. I could say I would if the author/creator has given approval to someone else continuing his/her works, but some of the time that creator is dead and their works get nasty things done to them for the sake of making money.

The PPC as a whole may consider them canon, but I'm not wasting any more of my money or time on crap churned out by the likes of Kevin J. Anderson, Dave Wolverton, etc. (Although, I might consider reading William Shatner's Star Trek novels just for the amusement. XD)

Long story short, I totally understand the rage. It makes me feel better to ignore the existance of works that defile canon. -_-

Feel free to dismiss my idle chatter as the merely the mumblings of someone who 'doesn't get' fandom. But from my perspective, nothing says that you, personally, have to accept new 'licensed' works as canon.

Alot of people were angered at the latest Star Trek movie. I honestly don't understand why. It was a fun action flick - nothing more, nothing less. There is no reason that it's existence means you /have/ to accept it as the new star trek universe. If The Next Generation is your favorite show, nothing is forcing you from saying that it's successors, or the plethora of bad movies after it were merely alternate universes. Even better, just keep in mind that fiction that is written doesn't /actually/ become reality, and just realize that if a book or movie is made that is 'official' doesn't mean you are tied to worshipping it.

Regardless, getting angry doesn't work.

But I certainly RAGE at plenty of adaptations of books that I love (pause to glare at Peter Jackson), so I would say that just because something is profic not fanfic doesn't mean that you can't rage at how it destroyed canon.

I think the closest I've come to your situation is when I heard about ALW's sequel for The Phantom of the Opera, which sounded absolutely horrible. But I was always more a fan of the book than the musical anyway. And I was disappointed by some of the recent Star Wars novels, but that's different too. (At least, I think it is.)

We all get angry at badfic. We gawp at what has happened to our beloved canon, and realize that the author of such badfic has little respect for the soul of the material and just wanted to play around with it. Which, in and of itself, is okay, as long as we learn from it. That's how most of us started writing. (I myself am guilty of a Zelda/Yu-Gi-Oh! crossover 'Sue, the only redeeming feature of which is that I never let it out of my hard drive.)

But when the story in question is published, piggybacking on a deceased author's body of work, and licensed by the estate (or the copyright has run out), is it still "okay" to get angry about "damage" done to the canon? As the new story is licensed and published, it counts as canon (so far as I understand the PPC's rules) - but what if it violates everything the original canon stood for? What if it contradicts key information that the original author wrote (and cannot correct it due to Author Existence Failure)? What if beloved characters are killed off with no real reason? What if a main character's age is suddenly changed (or disregarded)? Or his backstory? Or his entire personality?

What if the "continuation" is really a different series with this character's/universe's name slapped onto it like a cheap, off-brand Post-it note?

Is "badfic rage" justified in such a case? Does it even technically count as canon if there are such blatant character/'verse replacements?

This Penny Arcade comic pretty much sums up the phenomenon to which I refer. There's a series very close to my heart that is getting this treatment. A new book in the continuations just came out, and I managed to read the inside dustjacket cover without throwing it across the bookstore. Barely. It shreds what little is left of the canon at this point (after far more continuation books published than in the original series). Am I right to be angry, or do I just have issues?

Well, I'll fix that--though honestly, you seem to have a grasp of what's what already, which is nice. {= ) Anyway, first things first:

*pokes*

It's traditional. {= )

Now, the aforementioned links. The first one, of course, is to the Original Series. If you haven't read it, that is the first thing you should do, since it's what this whole glorious panoply is based on.

Second, if you are so inspired that you want to write your own PPC spin-off, you need to find out how to get Official Permission to do so.

After that, there are several pages on the PPC Wiki and elsewhere that contain useful and important information. In order of sensible reading-ness, as Sedri says, they are:

* The PPC Board Constitution, because it's Da Rules;
* The Board FAQ if you're not quite sure how to use this quaint old thing;
* The Guide to the PPC,
** FAQ for Newbies,
and eventually the
** Mission Writing Guide, written by Sedri with support from the Board.

You may also eventually be interested in Trojie's Slash-Sporking Guide if that's your thing.

If you wish to edit the wiki at any point, you should definitely check out my new Editing Tutorial.

And, of course, you should check out as many PPC spin-offs as possible. The Complete List of PPC Fiction and the List of Killed Badfic are good places to start.

And that is quite enough to be going on with. Welcome!

~Neshomeh

…so where would be the best place to give relevant data on his native 'verse (genre, complete breakdown of missing Hartnell and Troughton episodes and B&W Pertwee episodes as of when he signs up, etc.), as well as which binders he has on him when he boards the TARDIS?

Hello! Have a seventeen foot long, multicolored, wool, knit scarf (curly wig not included), and a bag of jelly babies.

Please use them IRresponsibly!

Yay! Another NCIS fan!

Hello! Have a seventeen foot long, multicolored, wool, knit scarf (curly wig not included), and a bag of jelly babies.

Please use them IRresponsibly!

I know it fairly well, but I'm not really a fan.

Weclome to the PPC Posting board! Here, have some chocolate, and enjoy your stay here!

It just looks so bad. I'm not actually going to even OPEN the page.

Bleeprin, now! And if i'm going to need bleeprin even before being an agent... well... goodbye, mental sanity!

Nice work, that Sue did not realize how thigs should work with Tony around... And CIA will never impose agents to NCIS!

*overcumbered with gifts* T-thank you all...

Yes, I am Italian. I hope to be able to write in a decent way, but I can't promise. Before ever thinking about permission, I will ask if my grammar improved.

"I'm more of a Sayoran fan" Oh, another mini. No, wait, mini-Syaoran, do not jump on... AAAAHH! *falls for too much weight*